[lace] The Sivewright Pope cape
I am just back from 10 days holiday, and catching up with back copies of the list. Someone asked about the Misses Sivewright and Pope prickings, and mentioned the cape pattern, and that there was no picture of the completed lace. Well, I believe there is a picture of it in Thomas Wright's book The Romance of the Lace Pillow. I do not have a copy of this book, so I can't look it up, but maybe someone else can give you the page number. from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Sivewright Pope cape
The picture of 'part of a cope', lent by Miss Pope, is on Plate 13 facing page 65 of Thomas Wright's book Romance of the Lace Pillow. Diana (Northamptonshire, UK) - Original Message - From: Elizabeth Ligeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 6:25 AM Subject: [lace] The Sivewright Pope cape I am just back from 10 days holiday, and catching up with back copies of the list. Someone asked about the Misses Sivewright and Pope prickings, and mentioned the cape pattern, and that there was no picture of the completed lace. Well, I believe there is a picture of it in Thomas Wright's book The Romance of the Lace Pillow. I do not have a copy of this book, so I can't look it up, but maybe someone else can give you the page number. from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Stool for little lacemakers - Placed in Context the Midlands
I can't resist throwing in my pennyworth. If we assume that the seller assumes (like a lot of non-lacemakers) that mentioning Nottingham assures us of its authenticity - even though we know better - then we can probably also assume he/she is thinking of Midlands lace. Now although I can believe that the Spanish style bolsters (which if I read Jeri's post correctly were used vertically in a similar way to a Maltese pillow) are used sitting on a low stool, the horizontally orientated Midlands bolster was normally used in conjunction with a pillow horse and I don't ever remember reading about or seeing one of those with short legs. I also don't remember seeing many low stools in museum recreations of any type of 18th century English cottages. I would have thought they would sit on the same chair they used for everything else if possible, for reasons of both economy and lack of space. It's unlikely to be a milking stool as they have three legs so however uneven the ground is, it will stand firm. Not level maybe, but steady. Although I appreciate that photos are a lot later than the claimed date of the stool, in those the children always appear almost dwarfed by the pillow/horse set up so there seems to be no reason to suppose that this stool was for a child lace maker. With regard to the ability (and agility) to get up and down off a low stool; this depends on the custom of the community. Where it is normal to sit cross legged, the majority of the population continues to sit cross legged into old age. The use of the low stool described by Jeri with her feet are pulled way back under her reminds me of the position suggested by Jacqui Carey for making Japanese Kumihimo braids. Traditionally made in a kneeling position, uncomfortable to most westerners, she suggests the use of a tiny stool or fat cushion to support your btm to lessen the strain on the knees. Very few of the people I have shared classes with can even manage this in comfort for very long and instead sit or even stand. Has anyone written to ask the seller why they think it is a lacemaker's stool? Or perhaps we should blame the Millers guide - as that seems to be where they have got their ideas from. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] The Sivewright Pope cape
On page 64 of The Romance of the Lace Pillow there is a photo of a section of the pattern - the photo is labelled part of a cope. Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) --- Elizabeth Ligeti [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am just back from 10 days holiday, and catching up with back copies of the list. Someone asked about the Misses Sivewright and Pope prickings, and mentioned the cape pattern, and that there was no picture of the completed lace. Well, I believe there is a picture of it in Thomas Wright's book The Romance of the Lace Pillow. I do not have a copy of this book, so I can't look it up, but maybe someone else can give you the page number. from Liz in Melbourne, Oz, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://search.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Search - Looking for more? Try the new Yahoo! Search - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Tatting Demons
Dear Friends, This was sent to me by Sue Hanson, who I don't think is subscribed right now, and I know you'll all appreciate it as much as I did David Downunder in Ballarat Be careful my dearest men and women... It sounds as if a few of you may be under the influence of one of the infamous tatting demons. Known to possess otherwise relatively sane people of all ages. These demons causes victims to gluttonously hoard thread, small bags, little tins, long needles or eye-shaped shuttles. When a tatting demon's influence has moved from relatively minor stages to full possession, victims can be found mumbling archaic phrases about picots and Clunies and using a secret language of abbreviations that includes such frightening terms as NATA and SCMR. Persons adept in this demonic language often graduate from the spoken word to use of symbols like - and +. Eventually, the poor, previously normal person finds themselves sustained by high-sugar, high-fat foods like chocolate and lapses into hours of unconscious tatting. Occasionally they're eyes may be closed; frequently, they drop into a trance that is difficult to overcome. It is thought, by many church theologians, that tatting demons enter the body through the eyes (since any lay-person can recognize the eye-shaped shuttle used by many of those who suffer) although they are not certain. Some sufferers remember hours of clicking from their childhood that seem to have predestined them to an inability to fight off the demons. Sacred texts include patterns written in the above-mentioned languages and instructions for rituals like creating looms and accomplishing the flip. Although the flip is often mentioned in underground, internet discussion groups, church officials are uncertain as to its meaning and believe it may be part of the initiation process for those who willingly open themselves to possession. Those wishing to rescue friends and loved ones from the influence of these demons must be very careful. There are many of them and, though tatting is quite common in modern days, a literal legion of these demons swarm around each of their victims and can quickly split up to infest new men, women, girls and boys. Some success has been had by destroying shuttles, needles, thread and sacred texts, but they are often quickly replaced with more expensive versions. It is more effective to simply lure the victim out of his or her lair with chocolate, coffee, cake or sometimes a margarita and help them interact with the rest of the world. You will find that most ministers and priests are utterly unaware of the demons and may confuse them with the crocheting demons or the knitting demons. It is typically unhelpful to get a local minister or priest involved - clergy familiar with this malady can be reached at: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - however, some have suggest that they too has been possessed and are utterly incapable of helping anyone else escape the hold of these creatures. May God have mercy on us all. Rev. Tim TenClay - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: teaching lace was [lace] Re: Lace Frog
In a message dated 16/09/2003 22:35:38 GMT Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Liz, I can sympathise with your indignation! I was talking to a couple of well-respected and very well-known author/teachers a coupleof years ago, and was horrified to be told that I was not teaching my students properly! They both maointained that a successful teacher aims for bums on seats in the classes, and that a tutor should *never* tell a student how to start or finish a piece of lace, as, if they don't know that, they *have* to keep coming back to classes! Needless to say, I still teach my students how to start and finish, and how to go about the middle bits of ther lace too! Spiders, My day job is as a college tutor and before I did this I was a training in a large bluechip company. In company training there were two schools of thought as to how you trained. During the 80s and early 90s everyone used facilitators who would stand at the front of the class and 'tell' you how to do something - maybe even showing you as a demonstration, how to do it. You then did the thing and most likely did it wrong. Towards the end of the 90s, as CBT (computer based training) became fashionable, the 'facilitator' would 'tell' you how to do it and then you would do the same thing through the CBT - trouble was, most CBT is very limited and does not replicate real life - for example it would ask you how to do something and then only let you do the right way - if you tried to do it the wrong way it just wouldn't let you. Then at the end of the 90s it became fashionable to actually teach people how to do things - the idea being (big revelation here) if you taught them the ideas behind doing the thing then they were more capable at trouble shooting in the field. The principle behind this type of 'teaching' is 'I do it once, I do it slow, we do it together and off you go' - but it doesn't teach you why you do it or how you work out that you need to do it - only how to do it when asked to. However, too many people still 'teach' using the facilitation method where they plonk you infront of a pillow, quickly show you a stitch and leave you to it - no wonder some people are still making worm bandages after all those years. I have to say that I suffered from this type of lace teaching when I started making lace - the lady teaching was a very good lacemaker but no teacher. She would show you something and then it was up to you to survive. After a few months when I had mastered torchon through simply making lace in all my spare time, I wanted to move onto Beds and she was horrified that I thought I knew better than her and believed I could do this 'complicated' lace after such little time. I tried to explain to her that I had actually put in many hours in order to master the technique but she was adamant that she would not teach me - so I bought a good book and the rest is history (it's also why I have a stack of over 4ft of books on my floor now). I even taught myself how to do honiton. When I wanted to learn to play the piano I got a tutor book and spent 4 weeks continuously practising - OK, I'm no concert pianist but I can play good enough for me - I did the same when I wanted to learn to touch type - now I type at 80 wpm. Now here is something interesting - I later joined a lace group where they officially didn't teach, however, one of the members was a teacher (ie she teaches children in a school) and she had also taught lace. She is a natural teach and just can't help herself - if you are doing a piece of lace and look perplexed she quietly has a look at your lace and will either make a simple suggestion or better still, ask a question which causes you to realise how to put it right. Now that's the type of person I love. Strangely enough, I am both a teacher and a facilitator - at the moment I mainly teach people life skills and job hunting skills (I also teach computer skills, business studies et al) but I also trained as a facilitator but not to teach. As a facilitator I run meetings as the chair so everyone else gets an opportunity to talk and discuss the issues. A key part of facilitation is to ensure that everyone contributes to the disucssion and noone feels left out. Something that people who teach by facilitation don't seem to be able to do as I have seen on this list the complaints about that type of teaching being exclusive and people feeling that they have no power to decide what they make. Regards Liz Beecher I'm A HREF=http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee;blogging/A now - see what it's all about To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :-) andy rooney
I've read what Jane says, and it seems to be OK to send, so here it is: Subject: Andy Rooney 1. Andy Rooney on Monica. Can you believe it? Monica turned 28 this week. It seems like only yesterday that she was crawling round the White House on her hands and knees. 2. Andy Rooney on Vegetarians. Vegetarian - that's an old Indian word meaning lousy hunter. 3. Andy Rooney on Prisoners. Did you know that it costs forty thousand dollars a year to house each prisoner? Jeez, for forty thousand bucks apiece I'll take a few prisoners into my house. I live in Los Angeles. I already have bars on the windows. I don't think we should give free room and board to criminals. I think they should have to run twelve hours a day on a treadmill and generate electricity. And, if they don't want to run, they can rest in the chair that's hooked up to the generator. 4. Andy Rooney on Fabric Softeners. My wife uses fabric softener. I never knew what that stuff was for.Then I noticed women coming up to me, sniffing, then saying under their breath, Married! and walking away. Fabric softeners are how our wives mark their territory. We can take off the ring. But, it's hard to get that April Fresh scent out of your clothes. 5. Andy Rooney on morning differences. Men and women are different in the morning. We men wake up aroused in the morning. We can't help it. We just wake up and we want you. And the women are thinking, How can he want me the way I look in the morning? It's because we can't see you. We have no blood anywhere near our optic nerve. 6. Andy Rooney on phone-in-polls. You know those shows where people call in and vote on different issues? Did you ever notice there's always like 18% that say I don't know. It costs 90 cents to call up and vote and they're voting I don't know. Give me the phone. (Says into the phone) I DON'T KNOW! (Hangs up looking proud.) Sometimes you have to stand up for what you believe you're not sure about. This guy probably cals up phone sex girls for $2.95 to say, I'm not in the mood. 7. Andy Rooney on cripes My wife's from the midwest. Very nice people there. Very wholesome. They use words like 'Cripes' 'For Cripes sake.' Who would that be; Jesus Cripes? The son of 'Gosh' of the church of 'Holy Moly'? I'm not making fun of it. You think I wanna burn in 'Heck'? 8. Andy Rooney on Grandma My grandmother has a bumper sticker on her car that says, 'Sexy Senior Citizen.' You don't want to think of your grandmother that way, do you? Out entering wet shawl contests. Makes you wonder where she got that dollar she gave you for your birthday. 9. Andy Rooney on answering machines. Did you ever hear one of these corny positive messages on someone's answering machine? Hi, it's a great day and I'm out enjoying it right now. I hope you are too. The thought for the day is: Share the love. BEEP Uh, yeah...this is the VD clinic callingSpeaking of being positive, your test results are back. Stop sharing the love.. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Hope this doesn't offend anyone
I can laugh at jokes about any group, ethnic religious, blonde or anything else without being disrespectful because I'm not a racist or against any religions, hair colour, type of dress (although I am concerned about teenage girls exposing all), etc. I judge each person when I meet or correspond with them, and don't have any preconceived ideas. I moved from on top of the Blackdown Hills in Somerset to Poole. Amongst the farming natives in Somerset there were only two surnames, and there was a clear distinction in class (although I don't like that word) between the two. Personally I liked the ones who hadn't brought outside blood into their marriages - their outlook on life seemed to be governed by the countryside and not by outside influences. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] funny!
In response to Tamara's funny, funny list, I just have to say that DH and I have just returned from a cruise to Alaska, and I think we probably saw all of these things onboard the ship! ; ) Clay Despite what you may have seen on the streets, the following combinations do not go together: A nose ring and bifocals Spiked hair and bald spots A pierced tongue and dentures Miniskirts and support hose Ankle bracelets and corn pads Speedos and cellulite A bellybutton ring and a gallbladder surgery scar Unbuttoned disco shirts and a heart monitor Midriff shirts and a midriff bulge Bikinis and liver spots Short shorts and varicose veins In-line skates and a walker Clay Blackwell Lynchburg, VA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thanks
Sorry for the delay in thanking you for this months package. Our phone was off line and B.T. wont fix it over the weekend unless you are a doctor or similar. I love the angel mat and have put it by my bed with a photo of my mum on it. The angel magnet is now on the fridge ( the first angel to land there). Washington Island looks very interesting with so much to do and see. I love the old church on the card and can see why you would want to spend time there. The Handkerchief is so pretty and delicate. I like to have a proper hankie instead of tissues, unless I have a cold! Thank you also for the bobbin, I did not see them at the convention and I didn't work out who you were. The only clue I think was, some one said hello as I was getting in the lift but I didn't see who. I would like to thank you for the lovely gifts I recieved there, basket, cat dish. chop sticks, fan etc. You are a much travelled crafts person and I am nowhere near guessing who you are. Thank you again and best wishes Josie To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Fake Ebay Emails
Dear Ebaying Arachnids, Please excuse the double posting, this is important for everyone to see. Just to let you know that there are people spoofing emails from Ebay prompting you to log on because your account is expiring. The subject line on the two I received was Your account expire, please re-login. I checked with Ebay and these are fake, do not give your information to strangers by logging in on the form they provide in the email. If you get one, forward it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ebay says (and I'm quoting from the letter they sent me)- These emails, commonly referred to as spoof messages, are sent in an attempt to collect sensitive personal information from recipients who reply to the message or click on a link to a Web page requesting this information. The email you reported did not originate from, nor is it endorsed by, eBay. We are very concerned about this problem and are working diligently to address the situation. We have investigated the source of this email and have taken appropriate action. You may rest assured that your account standing has not changed and that your listings have not been affected. We advise you to be very cautious of email messages that ask you to submit information such as your credit card number or your email password. eBay will never ask you for sensitive personal information such as passwords, bank account or credit card numbers, Personal Identification Numbers (PINs), or Social Security numbers in an email itself. If you ever need to provide information to eBay please open a new Web browser, type www.ebay.com, and click on the site map link located at the top the page to access the eBay page you need. Lace in Peace, Laurie -- Laurie J Hughes Senior Research Associate New England Research Institutes, Inc 9 Galen Street, Suite 117 Watertown, MA 02472 v: (617) 923-7747 x341 f: (617) 926-8246 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.neri.org -- To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
