[lace] Lace Chat digest
<> There must be something wrong - I've received lace chat digests on 16th, 12th, 9th, 5th and 1st of October. Regards, Annette, London - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Ithaca, Polychrome tech
On Thursday, Oct 16, 2003, at 21:35 US/Eastern, Aurelia L. Loveman wrote: Well, thank you, thank you, dear Tamara, for sharing your Polychrome de C experience with that astonishing, ample and altogether wonderful e-mail! Thanks for the thanks :) I knew there were many people who wanted to take that class and couldn't for one reason or another. I promised some of them to take as detailed notes as I could, but then forgot who the "promisees" were... So, it seemed simpler to just post the whole to the list, in hope that the notes would be useful. I have, BTW, forgotten to mention one thing: There are more patterns available than the ones shown in the 3 books on P de C. Mrs Parry had some booklets with her and they're very "drooly" :) They can be found (in English, if you click on the Brit flag) on: http://blondecaen.chez.tiscali.fr/esom.htm which is the Bouvots'website. To tell the truth, English or no, I cannot find the pattern booklets Mrs Pary had with her for sale :( But there's a lot of other interesting info there... [...] now that I've had that experience, I guess I'm more stodgily convinced than ever that my realms of lace and gold still lie with Beds and Bucks and Needle, with maybe a little Milanese thrown in, when the hunger for color gets too great (although all of my needle lace is done in color). Bucks isn't all that far of ffrom P de C; both are in the PG technique... And, as soon as I come to grips with it, I'm sure to "steal" some tricks from it, to incorporate into Milanese (which may not be my *overall favourite* technique, but it sure is easy to design in )... - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Milanese Lace Swan in IOLI
"Rolled edges" is a technique used in Withof lace, and is beautifully described and diagrammed in Yvonne Scheele-Kerkhof's book "Dutch Bobbin Lace Patterns." It isn't difficult to do, and to my mind forms a nicer edge than the regular sewing edge. It is done around a motif after the motif is finished. -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Ithaca, Polychrome tech
Well, thank you, thank you, dear Tamara, for sharing your Polychrome de C experience with that astonishing, ample and altogether wonderful e-mail! Next best thing to having been there personally, and not so far off, at that. However, now that I've had that experience, I guess I'm more stodgily convinced than ever that my realms of lace and gold still lie with Beds and Bucks and Needle, with maybe a little Milanese thrown in, when the hunger for color gets too great (although all of my needle lace is done in color). Again, thank you for taking us all to Ithaca and back! -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Orvus use & Ithaca
Hi all- I actually buy the large jar of Orvus and use it for laundering cottons and other fabrics that I want to keep bright. Years ago I noticed that the "whitening" agents in detergent (even the non-bleach type) faded printed and solid cottons over time but that fabric keeps its intensity when washed with Orvus. It doesn't take much and it takes me over a year to use up a jar which turns out to be less expensive that multiple bottles of the normal detergents (other laundry does get the regular stuff). Orvus is also a nice non-fragrance alternative. It's been fun to read the other Ithaca reports. I took the leaves and tallies "boot camp" as I've been calling it, aka "Deciphering Leaves and Tallies" with Josee Poupart of Quebec, Canada. It was extremely helpful, and I feel much more ready to dive into a leave-laden pattern. Having read (and pasted, cut and saved) numerous messages on leaves and the TTC method, it was much more helpful for me to see the technique demonstrated. It also was good to be able to focus on how to weave and incorporate leaves into a design over the 9 hours of a course. Josee is an interior designer as well as a lacemaker, and is a pleasure to study with. It has been about 15 years since I was able to make it back to an Ithaca Lace Day (my original lace guild). Verna Belle Freund and I were comparing the current wonderful event to the very early years when I think the emphasis was on the public event only and we had yet to begin offering classes. (Those were wonderful events too!) Nice to see how things have evolved, although it's too bad that it's no longer in the heart of downtown where there is so much foot traffic. Kudos to all organizers and volunteers! regards, Lorraine Weiss in Albany, NY where we have less fall color than the nice display I saw driving west to Ithaca -- but then we haven't had a real frost yet in my microclimate and I still have sunflowers blooming! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Fwd: 3D Edges Thank you
Thank you Patty Dowden, Sue Babbs and Janice Blair for the quick answer on rolled edges. I had look it up in Practical Skills but did not find a reference to "rolled edge". Now that I've been directed to Sandi Woods book (just looked at the gorgeous pictures) I think I shall buy a Withof book for the techniques. Janice -- thank you for the easy way of doing things. Now I'll really have to attempt the mask -- it is so very special and thank you for designing it. Diane Z Lubec, Maine -- where the wind is blowing so hard the boats look like they're tipping over. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Needlelace question
Dear Jane -- The needle holes need not be a problem, since all they are are the holes made by the couching stitch. You bring your needle up through your working base, over the cordonnet that you are couching down, and then the needle goes back down into the hole. I have used the same holey pattern lots of times! -- Aurelia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Orvus
Hi Spiders, Orvus comes up as a topic every once in a while. Specifically, it is pH neutral, (neither acidic nor alkaline which are both bad for textiles.) and it is a wetting agent rather than a soap or detergent. A wetting agent simply allows the water to penetrate the fibers better. Orvus rinses out completely, so rinsing with distilled water will produce the most minimal amount of residue possible. This is also good for textiles, since remnants of anything other than the fiber can cause damage. These traits are also useful for anything that needs to be washed without chemical disturbance, like animals and wool. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Fw: [lace] Fwd: 3D Edges
Sue Babbs forwarded the question to me and it arrived before my lace and lace chat digests arrived. This is what I meant by rolling at the same time as making the braids. I am an extremely lazy lacemaker and if I can find a quicker method of doing something I will. ;-) The feathers on the mask and some parts of the mask itself have rolled edges. This is not typical of Milanese lace but I understand that it is being done in England, so I thought "why not", it does accentuate the areas more. If I was starting at the tip of a feather I would wind four pair of bobbins with appropriate color thread, in this case, white. 4 bobbins are hung to the left and 4 to the right of the first pin which holds the pairs to start the feather. After working an edge stitch and putting in the pin, I would take one of those outer bobbins and make a half hitch knot around the 3 passives and the outer edge pair then leave. I would work the inner edge pair over to the other side, work that pin and do the same half hitch knot around the outer 3 passives and the outer edge pair. So effectively I am doing a rolled edge at the same time without the need of a crochet hook or needle pin. I just have to remember to make that stitch before going on to the next row. The wire, in the case of the swan feathers is the first passive bobbin of the braid along with a regular thread passive bobbin. This wire helps to keep the shape of the feather and allow for the feathers to be manipulated into desired shapes. Please don't tell the lace police about my shortcut. ;-) Janice Blair = Janice, Congratulations! This is yet another method to accomplish a rolled edge. I wrote some stuff about 3D edges yesterday, but I was still a little punchy from a trip to Korea. I like Sister Judith's attitude "Anything that makes the lace more beautiful". Every method or technique had to be invented by someone, somewhere. Just because there are four hundred years of established solutions doesn't mean that there aren't new ones to be found. Your Mask is a wonderful piece. It took my breath away. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: [lace] Fwd: 3D Edges
Sue Babbs forwarded the question to me and it arrived before my lace and lace chat digests arrived. This is what I meant by rolling at the same time as making the braids. I am an extremely lazy lacemaker and if I can find a quicker method of doing something I will. ;-) The feathers on the mask and some parts of the mask itself have rolled edges. This is not typical of Milanese lace but I understand that it is being done in England, so I thought "why not", it does accentuate the areas more. If I was starting at the tip of a feather I would wind four pair of bobbins with appropriate color thread, in this case, white. 4 bobbins are hung to the left and 4 to the right of the first pin which holds the pairs to start the feather. After working an edge stitch and putting in the pin, I would take one of those outer bobbins and make a half hitch knot around the 3 passives and the outer edge pair then leave. I would work the inner edge pair over to the other side, work that pin and do the same half hitch knot around the outer 3 passives and the outer edge pair. So effectively I am doing a rolled edge at the same time without the need of a crochet hook or needle pin. I just have to remember to make that stitch before going on to the next row. The wire, in the case of the swan feathers is the first passive bobbin of the braid along with a regular thread passive bobbin. This wire helps to keep the shape of the feather and allow for the feathers to be manipulated into desired shapes. Please don't tell the lace police about my shortcut. ;-) Janice Blair Sue Babbs wrote: > > But when reading the directions, it says that "Edges are rolled at the same time as the braids are made" What and how are "rolled edges". Does it mean that a thread is twisted around the wire on the edge to hide the wire? Can someone advise me? > >In case she missed the question, I have forwarded this message to the clever arachne, >Janice Blair, who >designed the swan in question, and can therefore give the definitive answer to how >she rolled the edges >Sue Babbs > > > >. > > > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Orvus
In a message dated 10/16/03 1:49:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: << On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Esther Perry wrote: > Once in a while the name Orvus pops up, as a cleaning agent for lace. > I just did a search on Google, and only got Orvus WAPaste as a > janitorial supply, > and Orvus as a dog or horse shampoo! > Are these all the same product? Yep- it's the same stuff. I buy Orvus by the gallon jug at the tack/feed shop. I use it in large quantities to wash wool (I'm a spinner/weaver), but also use it to wash quilts and lace. Katrina >> - Dear Esther and others new to washing lace, For some strange reason, I did not see your original request, Esther. Perhaps it did not go to the main list, but to Chat, which I do not read. You may find lace washing instructions I wrote for Arachne members on the Honiton Lace Shop's site: http://www.honitonlace.com/honitonlace/shop/cleaning.htm I recommend you print out the information about washing your laces that Jonathan has so generously made available on his web site. Do not use 19th Century methods given by Mrs. Beeton and repeated in many subsequent books. Following out-dated methods can be quite harmful to laces. There are many warnings in my instructions - for good reasons. The Lace Museum in Sunnyside California sells small containers of Orvus. You can also sometimes find it it quilt supply shops or by contacting quilting groups. It normally comes in large quantity, but sometimes lacemakers get together and rebottle it in smaller quantities as an economical way for everyone to have some. It should not be stored in plastic for very long periods, I think. The chemicals ate through a plastic bottle that I had stored for 10 years. Made an interesting congealed wet plastic-based mess on the shelf! Orvus is used in very large quantities by people who professionally wash rugs, so if all else fails - as to finding it - there might be someone in that business who could give you a small jar. A little goes a long way and can be quite sudsy. Do not use in large quantities! Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace angels
Some time ago there was talk about some little lace angels with wood bodies. I have lost the link to the supplier, does anyone remember who sells these? I got mine from the Lace Guild in the UK - my group is doing a workshop at the end of November making angels for Christmas, we also got the pattern for the lace wings and bodies from the Guild. jenny barron Scotland - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Orvus
On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 09:38 AM, Esther Perry wrote: Once in a while the name Orvus pops up, as a cleaning agent for lace. I just did a search on Google, and only got Orvus WAPaste as a janitorial supply, and Orvus as a dog or horse shampoo! Are these all the same product? Yep- it's the same stuff. I buy Orvus by the gallon jug at the tack/feed shop. I use it in large quantities to wash wool (I'm a spinner/weaver), but also use it to wash quilts and lace. Katrina - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Magnifiers
Marcie wrote: ... the Royal School of Needlework recommends going without magnification for even the finest work, tho a good strong light is crucial. The original post on this (from Jane) also mentioned "I did notice that I am tempted to put in more buttonhole stitches on the edge when I can see it so clearly. That's a good reason to stick with my eyes and a good light." I wanted to mention two things: first of all, it's amazing what a difference a strong raking light will make. A raking light is one that slants across your work from about 10 o'clock (or 10:30) height. I have an adjustable lamp that I keep next to my table for this. With even the finest work (needle lace or bobbin lace) you can see much more clearly in this light, as the shadows are strong and visible. (With overhead light the shadows are underneath the work, which doesn't help much) The second thing is Jane's comment about packing in too many stitches - there is a sort of Zen state in which people pack their stitches perfectly. Some people have it naturally, some people train themselves to achieve it, and some people never learn it no matter how much they practice. While I'd never suggest to someone that deliberately keeping your vision foggy is part of a good technique, ;-), changing magnification may well alter your perception of the work and the visual cues you use to decide your stitch placement. By the way, I have a magnifier that I rarely use, and the one time I did use it for a very fine major project, I found I developed headaches after a couple of hours (this was bobbin lace), while if I didn't use it I couldn't see as clearly and had my eye strain but I didn't get headaches. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace angels
The pattern is from the Lace Guild in Britain and Tim Parker is one of the suppliers who sells them. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lace angels
The Lace Guild sold (sells?) these kits of bodies and prickings. If you just want angel bodies, you can get them here: http://www.bearwood.com/ (for international orders) http://www.woodparts.ca/default.htm?source=bearwood.com (for Canadian orders) On Thursday, October 16, 2003, at 11:35 AM, Whitham wrote: little lace angels with wood bodies. I have lost the link to the supplier, does anyone remember who sells these? Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Orvus
Yep. Same stuff as the horse soap. Just costs a lot more when they put it in a small jar and call it Quilt Soap, or Fabricare, etc. Debbie At 09:38 AM 10/16/2003 -0700, you wrote: Once in a while the name Orvus pops up, as a cleaning agent for lace. I just did a search on Google, and only got Orvus WAPaste as a janitorial supply, and Orvus as a dog or horse shampoo! Are these all the same product? I did actually find one under the name Fabricare, where the contents were stated to be '100% Orvus' Esther Perry - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Orvus
Once in a while the name Orvus pops up, as a cleaning agent for lace. I just did a search on Google, and only got Orvus WAPaste as a janitorial supply, and Orvus as a dog or horse shampoo! Are these all the same product? I did actually find one under the name Fabricare, where the contents were stated to be '100% Orvus' Esther Perry - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lace-chat
At 05:49 PM 10/16/2003 +1000, you wrote: >Hi, everyone, > >sorry to have a non-lace subject on lace, but I haven't received asingle >lace-chat digest since the beginning of October! Is that right or is there >something wrong with my own mail? > >Thanks, Helene There's been some Chat all along, but very little. I get the reflected messages so they came each day -- but only one or two a day. I just went back through my messages and trash, and didn't count 20 messages in the past week. Perhaps the main Chat writers went to Ithaca I'm sure Chat is working fine, but the digest is having to wait a long time to get enough to be sent out. Ithaca is over, and more activity started last night. Watch soon for a digest. If you don't have one in the next 48 hours, then contact Avital to check your subscription. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon - Summer ended. It's damp and chilly now. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace-chat
I have notice the same thing but being new to chat wasn't sure. Joan - Original Message - From: "Helene Gannac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2003 3:49 AM Subject: [lace] lace-chat > Hi, everyone, > > sorry to have a non-lace subject on lace, but I haven't received asingle > lace-chat digest since the beginning of October! Is that right or is there > something wrong with my own mail? > > Thanks > > = > Helene, the froggy from Melbourne > > > http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals > New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lace angels
Hello all, Some time ago there was talk about some little lace angels with wood bodies. I have lost the link to the supplier, does anyone remember who sells these? Thanks, Irene Surrey, BC where it is raining heavly, a good day for lacemaking!!! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] address change
Apologies for double posting but this the quickest way of reaching many people I chat to! Due to vast (70+ a day) amounts of spam I have to change email address from [EMAIL PROTECTED] to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Both addresses will run for a while to allow changeover time. Thanks for bearing with me. Lynne in Baldock, North Herts - Email provided by http://www.ntlhome.com/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Ithaca, Polychrome tech
First, thanks to Tamara for presenting a great summary of the Polychrome class. It was a terrific class and I'm sooo grateful I was lucky enough to get in. I **loved** the class and loved the idea of mixing/blending different strands of silks to get just the right color. Pompi was great teacher -- good sense of humor and very helpful. >Tamara wrote: >I tried to follow the diagram -- dot by dot, and line by line -- and got so >flustered, that the piece was a *total mess*. Unfortunately, I did not manage to get >it lost before Pompi asked for all the samples to be gathered and displayed for >eveyone's amusement... I collected it afterwards from the "shame table" but can't >find it now so, hopefully, it died in transit :) Phew! I was gone before Pompi asked to collect the samples! However, Tamara did get a glance of mine after it came off the pillow. Not too bad if you ignore the few extra tails caused by the three threads I broke while making the sample. I had the same experience as Tamara did with the diagram -- I did better when I didn't follow it. But Pompi was the first to admit that she is not a particularly good creator of diagrams, so I think that's fine. >Tamara wrote: >The second sample was a real *piece*; starting at a point, it widens - slowly -- on >both sides, and then rapidly narrows to a point (*just* as I managed to remeber how >to make single, knotted, picots on the rh side, I had to learn how to make them on >the lh side too ), with three leaves within it (net above them, HC ground below). >I knew I wasn't going to finish it in class (not enough bobbins, and not enough >thread.. I started this second piece in class -- well, Pompi basically started it for me by putting on the first 4 pairs. I've had just a bit of time to work on it since I've been home. This is going to be a very pretty motif suitable for framing. I'm looking forward to blending the silks in different combinations to use for filling in the three leaves. Ithaca was wonderful event and I'm only sorry that I didn't stay for Monday. Lots and lots of familiar faces and names!! Candace in central Pennsylvania (USA) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Fw: [lace] Fwd: 3D Edges
> >>But when reading the directions, it says that "Edges are rolled at the same > >>time as the braids are made" > >> > >>What and how are "rolled edges". Does it mean that a thread is twisted > >>around the wire on the edge to hide the wire? > >> > >>Can someone advise me? In case she missed the question, I have forwarded this message to the clever arachne, Janice Blair, who designed the swan in question, and can therefore give the definitive answer to how she rolled the edges Sue Babbs - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fwd: 3D Edges
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2003 04:11:57 -0700 To: "Diane Z" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> From: Patty Dowden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: 3D Edges At 06:35 PM 10/15/2003 -0400, you wrote: I think that this swan mask is just wonderful. But when reading the directions, it says that "Edges are rolled at the same time as the braids are made" What and how are "rolled edges". Does it mean that a thread is twisted around the wire on the edge to hide the wire? Can someone advise me? Thanks Diane Z Lubec, Maine Hi Diane, Rolled edges, now there's a subject. The following remarks are just my opinions. In Milanese, which has a pretty stable number of pairs, edges are rolled mostly for effect, to make the design have more texture. In figural tape lace, the illusion of actually depicting a figure (of a person, animal, flower, etc.) is strengthened by side sewings (which make one tape edge lay in front of another) and even more so by a 3D rolled edge, which is a group of threads that the workers wrap around instead of working stitches through. Bridge Cook's "Practical Skills in Bobbin Lace" shows many of the techniques to achieve the 3D edge. To my mind, I see edge techniques as flat (ten stick), rolled (where the edge pairs are worked in a technique where the worker goes through all the pairs, but doesn't turn and work back. Instead the worker jumps back to the side it entered and works through the pairs in the same direction as the first time. This produces a hollow tube at the edge. The last is carried, usually called rolled in most techniques, but in this case, you simply lift one worker thread and enclosed the edge pairs or sew over them. These edge pairs are truly passive, in that they don't work any stitches with the worker. Sometimes the edge pairs are used as a place to park unneeded pairs and carry them to next place they will be needed. The book "Special Effects in Bobbin Lace" by Sandi Woods shows Milanese with rolled edges in color using techniques similar to Honiton and Withof. Honiton, Duchesse and Rosaline make use of a ten-stick outline of a motif to make a raised edge outlining a motif and then work all the way across the motif in half stitch or cloth stitch to produce a two layer figure. Sometimes, in addition to the raised outline, additional ornaments are worked in the center of the motif and when the full motif is worked, are just tacked down to produce almost free floating elements on the front of the lace. I have some great Duchesse study pieces that have this complicated arrangement. Honiton and Duchesse may use different 3D edges in the same piece. I have a piece of Duchesse that uses all three methods. Being a part lace, Duchess could easily have been made by several different lacemakers, which may account for the multiple edge techniques. The Italian lace of Cantu uses rolled edges extensively. The rolled edge provides the backbone of lace for its swirling stems, flowers and leaves. I've made some Cantu and I eventually started to feel like the rolled edges were my anchor line, holding it all together. So for Cantu, the rolled edge is structural. Back to you original question of including a wire in the rolled edge. Since the rolled threads don't work any stitches with the worker, it would work very well to include a wire in the edge pairs. This would allow the wire to hold the shape of the piece or to allow it to be shaped after it was worked. I've used wire gimps this way using a raised gimp technique where the worker only encloses the wire every couple of rows and just gets passed on the back of the work the rest of the time to the wire is more clearly exposed and seems to float. If you don't want to see the wire, it is pretty easy to keep it hidden in the rest of the edge pairs. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] needlelace question
Jane: The needle holes in your pattern are from couching down the "trace," correct? As long as you felt you did a good job with that the first time, and are careful to use the same holes this time, I wouldn't think it would be a problem. Remember, the couching threads are removed after the lace is complete, so it shouldn't be a problem for a second piece to use the same holes. I would imagine that more than 2 or 3 you would start having problems because the holes could get enlarged, making the trace threads possibly not as secure. As the trace forms the "frame" to hang the filling stitches on, that would be your primary concern in re-using a pattern. Hope this helps, good lacing! Korwyn in Norfolk UK In a message dated 10/15/2003 4:44:26 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > > Hi All, I just finished my lovely Needlelace flower that I started in class > in Ithaca (I could not leave it half done!). Before I forget how to do it > I'm going to make it again in orchid (pinky-lavender) thread with lacy ecru > leaves this time. The pattern is a white photocopy with clear Contact paper > on top. Is it okay to use the same pattern again or will the needle holes > in it be a problem? > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Museums in Germany
Dear Hèlène, I made for the IOLI a list with the german museums which have allways laces in display but I don't know if they print it separately and give it to them who ask about or if they will print it in one of the further Bulletins. You could ask there and find out. What belongs the shops with bobbin-making things I could tell you when you know when and where you will visit Germany. Hope this helps. Greetings from Hamburg in Germany Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] lace-chat
Hi, everyone, sorry to have a non-lace subject on lace, but I haven't received asingle lace-chat digest since the beginning of October! Is that right or is there something wrong with my own mail? Thanks = Helene, the froggy from Melbourne http://personals.yahoo.com.au - Yahoo! Personals New people, new possibilities. FREE for a limited time. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
