[lace] Re: lace pillow storage
On Dec 10, 2004, at 5:16, Jane Partridge wrote: There are some pieces of my lace which I hope will be around, like my great-great-grandmother's sampler, to show future generations what I did - but I cannot control what my daughters do with them once I am gone - and there is no guarantee that if they were given to a museum that a) that institution would survive; b) they would ever see the light of day again or c) they would not be sold/passed on to a less caring buyer. On behalf of a... not a "collector", really, but someone (in her 70ties), whose grandmother went to Europe on her honeymoon and bought laces...which then resided, for over 50 yrs, next to the coal-powered heating system in the basement... and had been "rescued" and laundered (bleach was necessary, the laces being almost black, I was told), and starched, and ironed into a uniformly "grey afternoon in winter"... On behalf of that person, I checked - 2-3 yrs ago - with a museum of her choice, about a possibility of giving it the collection or, at least, the best bits of it (there was a lot of decent machine-made stuff there, and some interesting hand-made bits). All *she* wanted, was a tax break. All the museum wanted, was a hefty cash donation on top of the lace donation :) And that wasn't a major museum like the Metropolitan. IOW, you cannot give away lace to a museum these days, unless you're willing to provide the funds for the upkeep of the collection as well, or unless it's a substantial piece of 17th century lace with a provenance (other than "my grandma bought it in Europe, in the early 1900s). In extensio... Any piece of lace announced on E-bay as being of "museum quality" is, IMO, automatically *worhtless* :) Lace by people like Suchanek and Woods and Loehr (and, since last night, I remembered two other names: Pat Perryman in Honiton and Catherine Barley in Needle Lace) ought to - and probably will - end up in museums for people to study 100 and more years hence. Contributions of many more to the history/reconstruction of traditional patterns (too many to begin listing, though Nottingham and Skovgaard stand high on my personal list) deserve to be remembered - and are likely to be, since all of them have published books. But, the rest? You, me, and Jane Doe? We all contribute to keeping the craft alive and evolving. We give our "products" to those who appreciate it, doubling our own pleasure. IOW, we all do the best we can. But, most of us aren't the Einsteins of lace :) And there's no shame attached to it, because we all *count*. It's only when we begin to think that each of us, personnally, is the belly-button of the world, that we begin to look a tad silly... :) --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE:torchon to beds 2
Me again! Tamara, you prodded my memory about Fisher's book. That is one that I do have, and it's pretty good too. Been a while since I looked at my copy, but from memory, it has graduated degree of difficulty of patterns. The Lavendon Collection has patterns, but not much in the way of instruction and diagrams. Most of the items have a little personal history writing to accompany them, but not all. This would be for once you got a handle on Beds. Cheers, Helen - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: torchon to beds migration
Gina, The Pamela Nottingham book, "The technique of BL" (also published under the title of The complete book of bobbin lace) is a great book, as it has torchon, beds and bucks point laces in it. Barbara Underwood's "Introducing beds in 20 lessons" is also an excellent book, as it takes you from the basic elements - plaits and picots, on up through tallies, etc. Her diagrams are good (and she's great to have a class with, too!). She has a couple of other books, which are progressions from it. The English Lace Guild also put out a wonderful basic beds publication a number of years ago, which is excellent for learning beds. Title: Basic Bedfordshire bobbin lace. You can also try to get a hold of the Springett series of videos (4 of them if I remember rightly), and start with the first 1 and work through them. They are excellent. Their titles are: Springett, C. Bedfordshire lace II intermediate skills. 1990. 1 video + 2p. AV 746.222 SPR.2 Bedfordshire lace I basic skills. 1990. 1 video + 1p. AV 746.222 SPR.2 Springett, C. Bedfordshire lace 3 advanced skills: gimp edged flower. 1992. 1 video + 1p. Springett, C. Bedfordshire lace 4 advanced skills: veined leaves. 1992. There are a large number of other books dealing with plaited laces - Pam Robinson has a good one, and there is also a Cluny lace book (I can see it in my mind - small, blue hardback, with a round motif on the cover) but it's title escapes me. If you're an IOLI member you can try to borrow them from their, or if your local guild has a library try them. Also try Inter Library Loan through you local public library. If you were in Denver, I'd say come see me, and I'd give you some help. Beds is quite different to torchon, although learning to do square tallies and leaves and plaits and picots and the variety of footsides, will help you with torchon, but the application is different. In torchon, every thread has a place to go - if you're short threads or have too many, you know you've made a mistake somewhere and are in for some retro lacing (I love that term :-) ). In Beds, that's not always the case. You can add in and throw out pairs, and in some ways is less restrictive - especially the more complex florals. That's what I love about it - it challenges me to think in different ways to solve the problems in front of me. Hope these titles help you out. Cheers, Helen, Aussie in Denver - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: going from Torchon to Bedfordshire
That's great news regarding books, as I have Torchon for Today and A Manual of Bedfordshire Lace (both OOP) that I just (like an hour ago) won on eBay, coming in the next week or two. Perhaps I'll tackle Torchon for Today before I attempt Beds. I have been at it for a couple of years on and off, yes, and that's one of my problems - I have gone too long between times practicing, and need to start over each time. Maybe Torchon for Today will give me a better skill set. Introducing Traditional Bedfordshire Lace in 20 Lessons is still in print, so I can get that from Holly VanSciver, I believe. I'll probably buy that one since you've recommended it. I do want to go on to Milanese and Bruges and Duchesse (I have one book on each type) eventually, and I hope Beds will be a good beginning step on the way there. Thank you for your thoughtful reply, Tamara :) Gina -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Tamara P. Duvall Pam Robinson's " A Manual of Bedfordshire Lace" (1985) is the one I used when having my own stab at Beds And, Barbara Underwood (head-to-head, with Christine Springett, "guru" on Beds) has a book "Introducing Traditional Bedfordshire Lace in 20 Lessons" (1993). But, the skills I got from Fisher's "Torchon For Today" were more than enough to carry me through the beginnings of Beds, and Russian, and Milanese. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay
On Dec 10, 2004, at 21:44, Patty Dowden wrote: Rare Riches (the seller of the Sluis Duchesses piece) sets the price for an auction on eBay based precisely on the amount they paid for the item. In fact they say so right in the auction. "Rare Riches set the reserve prices according to the cost price of the individual item. " So It says *nothing at all*. The charitable explanation could be: they might have - through ignorance - overpayed for the piece themselves. I've once had someone consult me on how much she could claim as a deduction for a pillow she'd bought at an auction, and intended to donate to a museum. She was really upset when I said $200 would be maximum, even allowing for the suspension of disbelief on age (the cover fabric on the pillow - wool - was mostly moth eaten, but I've seen what moths can do within a year. And the pillow had no provenance. And identical - but pristine - pillows could be had at ca $100 at the time); she'd *paid* $250... But, also, "price based on the cost" can vary, *wildly*, depending on how much profit one hopes to get/considers "proper". I know some people who're satisfied with the 30% profit margin (used to be considered "normal", some 20 yrs ago) or less. Some feel that 50% markup is the minimum which will make the reselling a worth-while proposition. And then there are the big-time folk, whose shareholders ain't happy until there's a 300% return on their investments... *All* of them base their selling price "on the cost", and "Rare Riches" don't say which category they're in. IOW, they tell us squat about their cost, while trying to present themselves as "buyer friendly". Sheesh... Am I really the only "Miss Marple, Total Bitch Version 101" left on this continent --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: going from Torchon to Bedfordshire
On Dec 10, 2004, at 21:08, Gina Shillitani wrote: I'm (still) a beginner at lace. But you've stuck with it for at least a couple of years (as far as I remember), and, at your own pace, have arrived at a new portal... That's all that counts, really :) I thought to go on to Bedfordshire. I tried it using the book Technique of Bobbin Lace, and was totally confused, Nottingham is most excellent for people who absorb their knowledge best through words; for me, she's also been confusing *at first*, but priceless as an encore, once I got the ABCs from somewhere else. Return to the book later on; some of the patterns are well worth it. Can y'all recommend a Bedfordshire book (or a book that contains beginning Bedfordshire) that is suitable for rank beginners? Pam Robinson's " A Manual of Bedfordshire Lace" (1985) is the one I used when having my own stab at Beds (because I wanted to tackle some patterns in Nottingham's Technique of BL), and it's good for introducing one to Beds, though uninspiring as to patterns. I've not seen Jennifer Fisher's "The Bedfordshire Family of Laces" (1991) but, since I've taught myself lacemaking from her "Torchon For Today" book, I'd be willing to risk an endorsement for this one, also. And, Barbara Underwood (head-to-head, with Christine Springett, "guru" on Beds) has a book "Introducing Traditional Bedfordshire Lace in 20 Lessons" (1993). All 3 are available for borrowing from the IOLI Library, if one's a member. I thought Jean Leader also had a book on beginning Beds (which would be another one I could recommend sight-unseen, based on the clarity of her books that I do own), but it's not listed in the IOLI library. The only skills I have are those covered in the Torchon Lace Workbook. Don't have that book, so can't say... But, the skills I got from Fisher's "Torchon For Today" were more than enough to carry me through the beginnings of Beds, and Russian, and Milanese. With each new technique, I had to add an arrow or two to my "quiver of tricks", but it was a relatively easy process, compared to the first, Torchon, steps... --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay
At 06:22 PM 12/10/2004, you wrote: On Dec 10, 2004, at 11:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check this nice piece of Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=2219&item=2579801998& rd=1 Susan G. MacLeodDummerston, VT USA This kind of an auction item always is questionable to me. It seems to suggest (though it may not actually be in this case) the cutting up of nice laces for inflated profit. Little samples. --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) == Rare Riches (the seller of the Sluis Duchesses piece) sets the price for an auction on eBay based precisely on the amount they paid for the item. In fact they say so right in the auction. "Rare Riches set the reserve prices according to the cost price of the individual item. " I still think the Sluis is priced very high. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay
On Dec 10, 2004, at 11:58, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Check this nice piece of Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&category=2219&item=2579801998& rd=1 Susan G. MacLeodDummerston, VT USA This kind of an auction item always is questionable to me. It seems to suggest (though it may not actually be in this case) the cutting up of nice laces for inflated profit. Little samples. According to Devon's fascinating lecture we heard in Ithaca this October, the practice of cutting up bigger lace pieces into "collector's snippets" is an old one. She managed to trace bits of a single flounce (?) one in 4-5 museums, each donated as a part of a different collection. The snippets were even mounted for sale on "lovely" (and, doubtless, staining) red or blue pieces of cardboard. Assuredly, the sellers and the buyers both thought they were doing the best for posterity and for the preservation of the ancient craft... :) As for the price... I agree with Barbara (Joyce) - it's overinflated, aimed at a collector who's not also a lacemaker. I'm not a collector (much less an expert) myself, so was gonna keep my trap shut, but, *again* I question the wording of the ad and the selling by "association of ideas". The revised edition of the description has removed the idea that older Duchesse was a *coarser* version of Brussels. It insinuates a connection to Withof (much finer than the old Duchesse) and Sister Judith (via the Sluis school) on the one hand, and dates the piece to a pre-Sister Judith period on the other... Ah, bah, Grinch! :) "Buyer beware" is never more prominent than on E-Bay (except in politics ) --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Milanese book on eBay
Hi All, What an interesting book. Since I love tape laces I looked and can't really tell if these pieces are made with purchased tapes or not. I have no books that old from France so nothing to compare it to. Often the pictures will jump out at me and say tape "lace" but not this time. All I know is I don't have $45.00 Euros to find out : ( Jane in Vermont, USA where the rain is supposed to turn to snow in time for DH's company party tomorrow night. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] question: going from Torchon to Bedfordshire
I'm (still) a beginner at lace. So far I've completed the exercises in the Torchon Lace Workbook, and I thought to go on to Bedfordshire. I tried it using the book Technique of Bobbin Lace, and was totally confused, so I went back to the Torchon section of Technique (thinking I'd work my way up to Beds there), and even there her style is confusing to me. Can y'all recommend a Bedfordshire book (or a book that contains beginning Bedfordshire) that is suitable for rank beginners? The only skills I have are those covered in the Torchon Lace Workbook. If those skills aren't enough to go on to Beds, is there another, intermediate book I should work on? Thanks, Gina Shillitani --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.786 / Virus Database: 532 - Release Date: 10/29/2004 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Royal Train
On Dec 10, 2004, at 13:21, Dianne Derbyshire wrote: If anyone is interested in hearing more from time to time I can keep you informed. Like Nolene, I am interested (restate this: *fascinated*), also. So, please, keep us all updated on the progress of the cataloguing process, especially if you come accross more finds with documented "stories", which bring old lace to life... Drape the train over your arm, eh? Then release, curtsey, pass, and gather it back up (gracefully)... Better than a film :) --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] lace pillow storage
Elaine, I'd be concerned about using plastic of any kind to store pillow or lace - not just the off gassing, but also trapping moisture inside with the possibility of mold, mildew, etc. I've managed to save the carton my pillows came in or stumbled on one that would work, so I can pretty much pack them all away safely - it sure helped when I moved back down here from Massachusetts! On the other hand, I'm painfully aware that the the cartons are not in any way archival and are going through nasty acidic changes so . . . I have a wonderful book given me by a devious friend ;-) Books, Boxes and Portfolios by Franz Zeier - I just checked, it's on Amazon. The friend wants some portfolios, but I immediately noticed his section on boxes - I love boxes. He gives directions for boxes with corners and ROUND ones. It didn't take me long to figure out that a custom built box for each pillow, made of archival board and paper and glue, would be a wonderful thing. And the potential for covering/decorating each differently . . . well, I was right round the bend with plans. Of course, that was 2 years ago and nary a pillow box have I made. But I have made a number of folded boxes from archival paper and covered them with some interesting Japanese papers I had around - a nice safe lovely container for lace threads! All of this is a long winded way of saying - you could make a box (believe me, a sturdy box is an engineering feat and he even has instructions for hinged lids and insert trays!) or you could find a local bookbinder who does work for a museum/library to archival standards and have one/some made to your specifications. Su [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I have been storing pillows in the square plastic bags that sheets sets come > in. They have zipper closures However, the textile conservator that spoke > at The Lace Museum last spring was not happy about this choice and felt that > there would be off gassing from the plastic. Does anyone have a comment on > this. I have to admit that I hanen't removed the pillows from these bags yet > because I haven't seen anything better. The specialist archival catalogs that > we > have at the museum do not list anything that is really the right shape. > I had never seen the wreath boxes that are being discussed, but I doubt if > they are made of archival material either. > > Elaine Merritt > > The Lace Museum > 552 South Murphy Avenue > Sunnyvale, CA 94086 > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Barbara Ballantyne's new book
Those of you with Barbara Ballantyne's book "Mary Card: Australian crochet lace designer" might be interested to hear that Barbara's new book of Mary Card designs is now available. 80 pages (including a couple of hundred illustrations) of lovely patterns, with lots of good tips. The book teaches the techniques used by Mary Card and is really good for less-experienced crocheters and experienced workers alike - covering all sorts of special techniques. Barbara's expertise as a teacher, judge and prize winning crochet-lace worker shines through this lovely book - just a thought for those of you who're still looking for Christmas gift ideas for yourselves!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Milanese booklet on ebay...2
On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 09:21 AM, Margot Walker wrote: For those of you who are interested in the history of Milanese lace, there's an interesting booklet being auctioned on ebay. It has 70 pictures of Milanese lace and patterns for 54. Take a look at: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=17190&item=6938923688&; rd=1 I just checked again and at least one of the pictures shows Milanese braids (bobbin). So don't write the booklet off, until you look at the pictures. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Milanese booklet on ebay
On Friday, December 10, 2004, at 04:29 PM, W & N Lafferty wrote: Thanks for the posting Patty, it's a shame they don't show some internal page pictures. I see there are no bids for it. When I looked, there were 2 internal pages shown. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Milanese booklet on ebay
Thanks for the posting Patty, it's a shame they don't show some internal page pictures. I see there are no bids for it. Tip for anyone having trouble with URL links like this that get split up. To rejoin without getting out of your email program, hit "Reply" to the message - this allows you to edit the lines with the URL in, delete the line feed and < if they've appeared as they do with me, to make just one line again. Then you can copy the line, go to your browser, and paste the whole thing into the top line. Just don't forget to delete this "reply" message when you're finished with it, and not accidentally "send" it! Noelene in Cooma. Off to bake a cake - lace afternoon at my place today, and the girls now look for some sort of exotic cake for afternoon tea! Thank goodnes for packet cakes. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Royal Train
I'm certain we'd all love to hear more of the Rachel Kay-Shuttleworth lace collection. Please do keep us informed. How I envy those living in the UK with access to exhibits like this. I feel like it's living in a cultural desert here in Australia at times. Thank goodness for Arachne so at least we hear of what's available. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ - Original Message - From: "Dianne Derbyshire" - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Milanese booklet on ebay
For those of you who are interested in the history of Milanese lace, there's an interesting booklet being auctioned on ebay. It has 70 pictures of Milanese lace and patterns for 54. Take a look at: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=17190&item=6938923688&; rd=1 Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada = Hi Margot, My mind is a little fuzzy today, but I am almost sure that this book doesn't refer to Milanese bobbin lace, but instead to a point lace made with tapes and needle lace fillings. "Artistique" on the cover leads me to believe that it is a 19th century collection of a "point lace" in the same familly as Battenberg, although the pictures show quite complex needle fillings. This lace was called Point de Milan, not to be confused with Milanese bobbin (tape) lace. Patty Dowden - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] old lacebooks bought.
Dear Arachnes, Yesterday I visited the Dutch lace market in Maarn and was very lucky to be able to buy to old Dutch lace books. Ik was looked for them several years ago, but could not get them. Not in a normal bookshop, not in antique bookshop or a shop for second hand books. And suddenly now I saw the book of Mrs. Van der Meulen-Nulle about duchesse lace in the stand of the LOKK for a very low price. I didn't think very long and bought it right away. Later in the afternoon I saw at another stand the book of Mrs Schutten-Putters. It was not that cheap, but I decided to buy it. The book of Mrs. Van der Meulen-Nulle was originally published in 1904. She was headmistress of the Lace school in The Hague than, later on she teached on the School For Crafts in Amsterdam. The book, I bought is of the second print in 1924. The book of Mrs. Schutten-Putters is not dated, but on the front page a name and the 1942 is mentioned. I assumed, this is the first owner. Mrs. Schutten-Putters was director of the lace-association "Het Molenwiekje". You understand my joy yesterday. I din post it to the dutch list, but forgot about you. Shame on me. Happy lacing, Gon Homburg from a cold Amsterdam, the Netherlands. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Royal Train
Hi As the list is quiet at the moment I thought I would tell everyone about a good day I had this week. I am helping to catalogue the Rachel Kay-Shuttleworth lace collection at Gawthorpe Hall in Padiham (Lancashire). I had only one item to finish in the box I was doing and Gilly said she had a box that needed doing straight away. What a treat! The box contained a Bucks Point court train made for Caroline, wife of the III Duke of Buckingham. In the box were some letters from the family telling about the lace and a large photograph of the lace draped round a wooden dummy at the International Health Exhibition of 1884. There was also a stole made to go with the train. The train was always draped round a plain dress so that the beauty of the lace could be seen. In the design was worked the coronet and family insignia and great floral swags. A letter told of all the female family members wearing the train when they were presented at court. They would have the train wound round the arm and as they approached the king and queen they would drop it to the floor so that it flowed behind them until they had got past and then they would re wind it onto the arm. I enjoyed being able to examine all these things in detail. At the moment the Rachel Kay-Shuttleworth collection is unavailable to be viewed because it is being catalogued. They have received a lottery grant to help get all the items in the collection catalogued. All the quilts have been done and there is now a CD on sale with pictures of the quilts. It is hoped to have everything done by October 2005. The house is open to the public between Easter and the end of October each year and there are a few rooms with some of Rachels collection on display. Please do not try to see the collection yet because it is unavailable and there are very few people doing the job. They get upset at having to turn people away but it must be finished. If anyone is interested in hearing more from time to time I can keep you informed. Dianne Derbyshire Preston - Do you Yahoo!? Meet the all-new My Yahoo! Try it today! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay
Jeri, thank you so much for your comments. I typed up a response to Sumac's original post, then deleted it because I know I am so uninformed on this subject. But now that you've written, I want to add my 2 cents worth. When I was in Ithaca in October, I splurged on a beautiful lappet. I'm not sure when it was made, but two sources (the seller, who obviously had an agenda, and Holly Van Sciver, who saw it after I purchased it) assured me it is hand-made bobbin lace. I believe Holly called it Mixed Duchesse with a needlelace inset at the center back. It is beautiful, and in really fine condition--I've scrutinized it and have found only two tiny flaws. Not only is it a complete piece, rather than a small cut piece, but the price was $135. And although it's mostly for display in my home, I did wear it to the banquet in Ithaca--far more useful than a small cut piece IMHO. I think I'll ask my DH to take a photo of the lappet and put it on my web site. When I do, I'll post the URL for you to see. Yes, $350 sounds unreasonably high for that little cut piece, especially in comparison to my purchase. Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA >> Check this nice piece of Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2219&item=2579801998&; >> rd=1 >> Susan G. MacLeodDummerston, VT USA NATA #69 >> new! www.sumac.us >> > -- > Dear Lace Collectors, > > Sumac, thank you for sharing with us. > > I sent this auction info to another collector (not presently on Arachne) for > comment. > > Both of us are wondering about the reasonableness of $350 for this small > piece of lace, little more than a 14" long sample, with no famous provenance > of > maker/owner? > > This kind of an auction item always is questionable to me. It seems to > suggest (though it may not actually be in this case) the cutting up of nice > laces > for inflated profit. Little samples. > > Elaine Merritt, Devon Thein, Jean Leader, Angela Thompson, Collectors: What > do you think of this item and the pricing? > > Jeri Ames in Maine USA > Lace & Embroidery Resource Center > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay
> Check this nice piece of Duchesse-Sluisse on eBay > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2219&item=2579801998&; > rd=1 > Susan G. MacLeodDummerston, VT USA NATA #69 > new! www.sumac.us > -- Dear Lace Collectors, Sumac, thank you for sharing with us. I sent this auction info to another collector (not presently on Arachne) for comment. Both of us are wondering about the reasonableness of $350 for this small piece of lace, little more than a 14" long sample, with no famous provenance of maker/owner? This kind of an auction item always is questionable to me. It seems to suggest (though it may not actually be in this case) the cutting up of nice laces for inflated profit. Little samples. Elaine Merritt, Devon Thein, Jean Leader, Angela Thompson, Collectors: What do you think of this item and the pricing? Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace & Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Milanese
Hi Jenny, Do you mean 50 New Milanese Patterns? if so I bought it from Roseground at Birmingham on Sunday Happy hunting Sue M Harvey - Original Message - From: "Jenny Barron" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "lace" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:09 PM Subject: [lace] Milanese > Has anyone had a sight of the new Milanese Lace book by Patricia Read yet? According to Batsford it's publication date was 30/10/04 but Amazon has it as 1/12/04. I've had it on order for a couple of months now but the order says not released by publisher yet. I'm confused - not an unusual situation I have to say. > > jenny barron > Scotland where it's sunny and warmish - very unseasonal & leading to more confusion. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: > unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: lace pillow storage
I do not have the impulse to comment often. Must I must now.
Yes, Tamara, I agree with you on this. (but only this {VBG}) .
Years ago Gertrude Biedermann told to me to have fun with the lace and I do.
I play, this time of year it is ornaments for the many family Christmas trees.
I no sooner get caught up when there is a another branch added to the family
tree! Two newbranches this year.
My pillows are most all in use...I have a large one for edgings that sits on
the tippy top shelf...used sometimes. The others bounce around the room and
the closet all the time. Some hang, in their nifty carrying cases, some
stand in a corner. One , with WIP, is well covered *and* topped with a bath
towel, as that is the oldest cats (Miss Marple) favorite place to nap. So
storage is not a concern. Also, four cats keep the mouse population in
check!!
I do make wedding hankies (for the appreciative), that I hope will become
heirlooms and some gifties for special friends.
An occasional large piece satiates my desire to create an item of consequence
usually relegated to the late winter months.
Time to pick cat hair out of this years ornaments. ;-)
Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukah, and Druids Delight to all
BarbE
From: Tamara P. Duvall
To: lace Arachne
Sent: Friday, December 10, 2004 12:01 AM
Subject: [lace] Re: lace pillow storage
On Dec 9, 2004, at 13:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have been storing pillows in the square plastic bags that sheets
> sets come
> in. They have zipper closures However, the textile conservator that
> spoke
> at The Lace Museum last spring was not happy about this choice and
> felt that
> there would be off gassing from the plastic. Does anyone have a
> comment on
> this.
I have a comment on every message posted, just bite my fingertips
sometimes :)
While I know next to nothing about conservation (I try to remember
Jeri's tips but, even those tend to fly out of my brainbox in no time
flat), I'm happy enough with my pragmatic, no BS approach to life
(that's why I vote Democratic ), which makes things easy.
More than half of our cookie pillows (the likely candidates for storage
in either plastic wreath boxes or zippered sheet-set plastic bags) are
likely to be *plastic* filled, no? So, let one plastic fight another
plastic, since both of them are off-gassing; who cares, if one of them
(no telling which one) disintegrates 200 yrs from now? If anyone makes
lace then still, they'll have different solutions.
If you're worried about storing a pillow with the lace-in-progress on
it... Poke some (small) holes in the container, to allow for the
air-flow. Heating a sewing needle till red, over your stove works for
the puropse, without rendering the needle useless.
Anyway, you shouldn't be storing pillows with lace on them; *finish*
the dratted piece, or else cut it off, and keep it as a warning
(memento mori ), then hang in a new, more exciting one. Untill you
come back - next time - as a spider or an octopus, you can only work on
one pillow at a time.
I may check out the wreath boxes as a storage option, but only for
travel possibilities - keeping lace protected on the *trip back* from a
workshop. It's no longer possible to check in a pillow *onto a plane*
(not stowed in the bowels), even on the most friendly, Southern
flights, so, having an odd object easily scrutinized when consigned to
the "inner hell" might be a good idea. Not that I have high hopes for
getting what I might need - none of my cookies (3) is less than 24"
accross the wood base; I made them all to suit my needs :) But, for
certain-sure, even if I do find what I need, I won't *buy* anything
until the post-Christmas sale; if it ain't there then, at half-price,
then it wasn't "meant" I should have it :)
I'll never get over the fuss that's made over the lace we make (and,
now, over the *equipment* we use; give me a break?)... With the
exception of a few superb *designers* (Suchanek, Loehr, Woods come to
mind first, but my lace interests are limited in scope, so there must
be more), what most of us produce is "weekend fun", however much
personal sweat we expended over it. Does it *really* matter, if it all
disintegrates in the next 100yrs or so?
Me, I'm perfectly happy producing "do-dads which please" (me and,
hopefully, someone else who bothers to make them), and I don't mind
being a part of the compost pile on which the rare flower will grow.
Besides... Can you imagine the environmental impact of hundreds (if not
thousands) of perfectly-stored and well-preserved styrofoam pillowsa
100 yrs hence?
Enjoy the day, but don't lose touch with reality
---
Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)
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[lace] Milanese booklet on ebay
For those of you who are interested in the history of Milanese lace, there's an interesting booklet being auctioned on ebay. It has 70 pictures of Milanese lace and patterns for 54. Take a look at: http://cgi.ebay.fr/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=17190&item=6938923688&; rd=1 Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: lace pillow storage
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Tamara P. Duvall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes >On Dec 9, 2004, at 13:39, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >> I have been storing pillows in the square plastic bags that sheets >> sets come in. >More than half of our cookie pillows (the likely candidates for storage >in either plastic wreath boxes or zippered sheet-set plastic bags) are >likely to be *plastic* filled, no? >Enjoy the day, but don't lose touch with reality I think that is the crunch of the matter with most of us - we tend to get, in a way, 'politically correct' over just about everything, and forget the reality. Especially on City and Guilds courses where the mantra is 'never throw anything away' (especially with the Preparing Working Designs side of the course, but then, that had its uses, when going on to do another subject, having some of the design work already prepared...). However, I suspect that Elaine's reasons for storage are slightly different to the rest of us - she spends half the year in one country, half in another - so for six months the pillows, and whatever happens to be on them, need to be protected from whatever risks they face when she is not there to 'supervise'. The bags are probably the easiest option, if not perfect - and the zip will allow some air to circulate (I've never seen a vacuum zip yet!). I would possibly be inclined to take the pillows out of the bags to air occasionally, but realistically, unless the pillow is about to be used, I would more likely forget to! I suspect that Elaine's pillows are possibly straw? These do need looking after, as a good straw pillow will more than likely outlive us. The working life of a polystyrene pillow is only likely to be about 2-3 years, unless it is well covered with carpet felt etc, so the conservation point of view, where this type of pillow is concerned, is somewhat irrelevant. There are some pieces of my lace which I hope will be around, like my great-great-grandmother's sampler, to show future generations what I did - but I cannot control what my daughters do with them once I am gone - and there is no guarantee that if they were given to a museum that a) that institution would survive; b) they would ever see the light of day again or c) they would not be sold/passed on to a less caring buyer. Added to which, that which is important to me, is not necessarily so to everyone else! The best we can do with any of our lace or equipment is to protect it to the best of our ability while we are around to do so, in context to its working life, but not go over the top where items of lesser life expectancy (eg bent pins, polystyrene pillows, etc) are concerned. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
