[lace] Mounting lace fans
Christine Springett's booklet on designing and mounting lace fans is out of print. I emailed her several months ago to ask if it's going to be reprinted. She said she does plan to rewrite it, but has other projects she wants to tackle first. So don't ho9ld your breath on that. A copy sold on ebay a couple of weeks ago for GBP27.00. Christine's video Fan Mounting is available, direct from Springetts themselves in the UK and from Holly van Sciver in the US. Shows how to mount a leaf using tacky glue and wallpaper paste (Jeri calm down!) using plastic sticks and wooden sticks. She also mentioned stitching in passing. How to pleat and fold the leaf is the most useful part along with pointing out pitfalls which are obvious when you think about them - but we don't always think do we? Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Need Help with Translation!
Sorry all, but here is another request for help with translation! My French has faded somewhat with the years spent here in New Zealand and although I can make myself understood when I speak I do have difficulty with reading! My friend and I are interested in have a page from La Dentelle Torchon de Cholet translated. It is page 16 in Book 1 and page 15 in Book 2. (I hope I have got those the right way around). Particularly the paragraphs on Le Point de Paris and Incrustation. If someone with the book can translate for me that would be lovely, but I can send a copy if someone who doesn't have the book is able to help. Please reply to me off list. Many thanks Sue Fink in Masterton New Zealand, where it should be the dying weeks of winter, but has been summer instead and the bulbs and blossom are all weeks earlier than usual! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] General Fans Information
Hallo Barbara and all spiders, I saw some wonderful fan sticks at the Birmingham lace fair last year made by Malcolm Cox and I know he is going to be there again this Christmas fair, he also makes the most beautiful mother of pearl fansticks ( very expensive but believe me if I had the spare cash I would have those) I do not have his website but I expect at least one spider will have. I am also making the Bucks fan by Bridget Cook it is lovely to work and I am really enjoying it. Happy lacing Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK . - Original Message - From: Barbara Joyce [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, September 05, 2005 8:39 PM Subject: Re: [lace] General Fans Information Jeri's discussion about fan museums and collections triggered a couple of questions that I've been mulling over for a while. I think I'm finally skilled enough to try a Bucks fan, for which I have the instructions, pricking, etc. (1) Do you know where I could obtain nice fan sticks? I would appreciate any recommentdations for woodworkers, and especially if anyone has a lead on mother-of-pearl fanstick makers. (2) Do they make fansticks custom-ordered to fit the size of the lace? I can't imagine how else one would be sure to get sticks the right size. (3) Are there reference publications that give instructions on how to mount the lace onto the fan sticks? Thanks for any info, Barbara Joyce Snoqualmie, WA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] valuing contemporary lace
Aurelia wrote: But my main argument is exactly NOT to value lace as just another fiber art! Fiber art qualifies as art in my book. A wrote: Why segregate fiber arts? (and what other fiber arts are there?) Why is paint on canvas to be regarded with more respect, not to say awe and $$$, than linen or cotton or silk? It is interesting to note that in the late 19th century decorative arts were as highly valued as oil paintings. This is evident from the collections that were assembled at that time such as Isabella Stewart Gardiner and the Barnes Collection. (Barnes had all this decorative iron work hanging with the oil paintings as well as the odd textile.) The catalogue for Gondola Days at the Isabella Stewart Gardiner notes that panel paintings were relatively cheap then and that Gardiner was paying a great deal for the lace in her collection, leading the curators today to re-evaluate the relative value of the textiles in her collection. However, even if she spent as much on her textiles then as she did on her paintings, the paintings are everything now and the textiles nothing because of the current sensibilities of the art market. Our textile curator at the Met who put on the wonderful tapestry exhibit a few years ago, noted that at the time the tapestries were made, they were much more highly valued than oil paintings. I imagine that when he said this, it actually caused tapestries to rise on the current art market. However, I was merely suggesting that we could climb out of one ghetto at a time. First we would associate lace with, let us say weaving, a medium that seems to be gaining gravitas faster than say, crochet. All the while we would continue to point out the similarities between a beautifully colorful and textural weaving with expressionist paintings hanging in fancy galleries. A wrote: It is not the medium that's important, it's the vision. Yes, of course, and we see that the finest lace work, such as your fans, are comparable to the finest oil paintings. But many minds are more prosaic than ours. When they like something they need to have constant confirmation that their judgment is correct. It is like when you are bidding on a house an other people are bidding on it at the same time you don't feel as worried as when you are bidding on a house that no one else seems to want to buy. For these people it is helpful to point out that a modern weaving has just sold for x dollars, and bobbin lace is a form of weaving. (And weaving is art, just like oil paintings.) Yes, there does need to be a distinction made between making original lace art to compete on the art market and being a hobbiest who finds relaxation and enjoyment in making patterns. Both have their place. A wrote: Our contemporary lacemaking should be going to art galleries and to auction houses, and not to state fairs! I think it would be better to start with galleries than auction houses. From what I hear, it is very important to find a gallery owner who likes your work and will promote it by showing it in the gallery. One issue that we have, I think, is that most of the bobbin or needle artists don't have very much work to show a gallery owner because it is so time consuming. And, I suspect, talented artists like Aurelia are unwilling to actually sell their masterpieces. However, ideally, our more talented, serious, artistic members, should be encouraged to take work around to galleries and try to be shown in a group show, leading to an individual show. With each showing, the artist has something new to add to her resume that provides the confirmation that other gallery owners or buyers need to bolster their own judgment. I heartily encourage anyone whose work I have worn as part of my mobile gallery Campaign for Modern Lace to include me on their resume. ie. Exhibited in Campaign for Modern Lace, Thein Mobile Gallery, New York, February 2005. My daughter worked in a modern art gallery this summer. During the off month of July the gallery, which is rather well thought of, in a departure from its usual practice, actually rented out the space to a graduate school MFA program from the south. These students had the opportunity to see their work and to have others see their work in a Chelsea gallery because they rented the gallery. They will also have it on their resumes and the information will be provided to any buyer of the works exhibited. This is not out of the question for lace artists. I will say that I don't think this year's contest, the table ribbons, is well suited for our leap into high art. But suppose we had a more conceptual contest (by which I mean one directed at what the art crowd might relate to). My personal favorite would be Design a piece of lace with only one side We could all do versions of the moebus strip. Then, conceivably, we could rent out a gallery to show the
[lace] Re: Bobbin Lace INformation
Hi all! I need info, is there a bobbin lace guild in the Minn./St. Paul area? If so, who could I contact? Bless you ! JoAnne Pruitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Portraits by Elizabeth LeBrun, 1755-1842
In a message dated 9/6/05 12:52:35 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't tell me that it's ultimately because most painters were men and most lacemakers were women! Dear Lacemakers, I wonder how many lacemakers, as they left the two galleries featuring the Cone Laces at the Baltimore Museum of Art, were stunned to find (I think it was two galleries away) a painting by Elizabeth Louise Vigee-LeBrun (1755-1842)? LeBrun was painting portraits by age 15, and became court painter to Marie Antoinette. If you search the internet, you'll find many many portraits in museums all over the U.S. and Europe. Consider the time period of her life - you'll find lace. *Ignore the popup ad on the following site*, where you can quickly learn about LeBrun and see 5 portraits: http://www.mystudios.com/women/klmno/lebrun.html Five works of art are on this web site. Baltimore Museum of Art - Princess Anna Galitzin (leaning on a huge pillow, but it is not a lace pillow!) Two works are from the National Museum of Women in the Arts - one is a young boy, who seems to be wearing lace (but, details do not show). There are other sites where you can see all her art, but one-by-one is too tedious for me. Do a search on Elizabeth LeBrun and have fun visiting this fine artist of the 18th-19th C., if you want to see more than is on the website I've given. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] RE: ups, fedex, usps
I'll add my experiences to this subject. I've had mixed results. Mostly I complain about UPS and Fedex, because they always leave packages on my door step. I had a $700+ loom delivered to my back porch when I was at home - the guy never knocked on my door. The box was crushed on one corner. Maybe that's why he didn't want to see me. UPS doesn't leave post-it notes anymore. They just drop everything on my door step. Fortunately, I've never had a package stolen! I track the packages I'm receiving. In the case of my Apple computer, it was left on my door step, but because I was tracking it, I was able to go home within 1/2 an hour to put it in the house. USPS does a great job of delivering packages. They give me the option of dropping to my door step or picking up. I pick up. I've had envelopes ripped open by USPS, but they arrive in a plastic bag with a sorry note. The only other problem I've had with them was a round tube mailed in a legal sized envelope. I used packing tape on the ends of the envelope, but the tube was wripped out of it. Fortunately, the tube had my address on it, so it made it back to me. Which brings me to this: It's a good idea to have your address on the item you're sending if at all possible. If it comes out of it's container, it will probably make it back to you. Hope this helps. Mary _ Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Mounting lace fans
How to pleat and fold the leaf is the most useful part along with pointing out pitfalls which are obvious when you think about them - but we don't always think do we? Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK OK, I have a question, probably dumb, that has puzzled me for years. **Why** go to all the bother of pleating and folding the fan at all? I've done perhaps half a dozen fans, none have I bothered with this step (since I couldn't figure out why, I didn't). All but one of the fans are displayed in frames,and they are open. So they will probably not ever be closed. But prior to framing, when I closed the fans, the fan leaf just folded up neatly into folds along the sticks. The single fan that hasn't been framed is intended for use at weddings by the females in our family, and that folds very neatly when necessary. So, why bother? I can see the good sense of reinforcing the lace (especially in the case of the large wedding fan), as Treena Ruffner suggested in her IOLI Bulletin article. Someday, that reinforcing may save the lace from tearing. Another question: one set of fan sticks came with single holes,perhaps two inches apart, along the sticks. How am I supposed to use that to mount the fan leaf? I just can't picture it, unless I am supposed to be happy with two inch long lengths of thread running along the beautiful backs of the sticks (and they are beautiful, covered with abalone as they are, and meant to be viewed). Shows how to mount a leaf using tacky glue and wallpaper paste (Jeri calm down!) using plastic sticks and wooden sticks. She also mentioned stitching in passing. I have had a whole evolution regarding the mounting glue. Now I use very pure Japanese wheat paste (cooked) purchased from Talas in New York. It is relatively weak (which I like since the glue will let loose before the threads tear), but has less chance of impurities staining the lace over time. I have heard that at least one prominent teacher recommends the use of cooking flour to make the paste -- now that seems surprising advice, given the likelihood of future problems. Why do some people take all those hours to make lace, and then refuse to spend a little extra money/time to safeguard their investment? Regards, Carolyn Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] WArning! Read this Message First! Portraits by Elizabeth LeBrun
Dear Lacemakers, When I tried to send the original message, it lingered for a long time. I do not know if this was because I kept looking at the site with the art of LeBrun while composing (I compose while signed on to AOL) and it has caused a problem. Please be careful, and I suggest you choose another website to look at LeBrun's paintings. After the message finally went, I shut off the computer. When I turned it on, my virus protection activated. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
Aurelia wrote: But my main argument is exactly NOT to value lace as just another fiber art! Fiber art qualifies as art in my book. I don't want to downgrade our lace in any way, and certainly I do think there are many wonderful lace works of art which our modern lacemakers are producing. However, I am darn sure my lace is **not** art. I think it is beautiful, and I love it. I hope that I make my lace in the most craftmanlike (in the very best sense of the word, and something to be proud of) way. I won't go into a long list of why I think this is so, for my lace, except that for me an essential ingredient of art is orginality in the creation. So far that is not a quality I seem to be capable of. So for a moment, accept my evaluation of my lace as craft, not art (no reflection on anyone else's lace). Why should not my lace be valued, according to the standard of craftsmanship? Or anything else that we produce by hand -- knitted or crocheted, embroidered, sewn, etc.? It's too bad that craft and craftsmanship has come to have such a lowly status -- if you read some of the old books, it used to be one of the most valued of characteristics. Just my two cents worth, and wondering why, Carolyn Hastings Stow, MA USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] contact with Lenka
Dear spiders Can anybody help me to get in contact with Lenka? Her website says she won't be answereing the phone, but she neither answers emails I sent to the address on tha page. My lace circle is planning an aniversary exhibit in november were (among other things) we will show a forest of her old tree. You can bet a lot of visitors will ask for the pattern, but the pattern is no longer online. Besides that a lot don't read English. I'd like her permission for a translation, either separately or bundled in a booklet we are planning. Jo Falkink - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lacemaker's Collection at Auction
I just got a flyer in the mail from the children of Hester Tuckey of Charlotte, MI. Apparently, Hester was a lacemaker and needlewoman with a collecting habit (so much like me!). Mr Tuckey liked to paint lead soldiers. Their estate will be at auction Sept 16 and 17th in Charlotte, MI. The flier I have shows two old bobbin winders, three lacemaker's lamps, framed lace fans, a Royal Doulton figurine of a lacemaker from 1987 called Dorothy, there must also be bobbins and thread! The state that at the time of printing they had not yet unpacked everything so there's more. There are many other items beside lacemakeing, 100 old sewing machines (especially child sized and miniature), sock darners, spool holders, chatelaines, etc. All sewing items will be sold Friday. Call 517-726-0181 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a full listing. Their website http://www.stantons-auctions.com/auction_detail.php?ID=72098 will get you directly to the listing in pdf form. If anyone if going to go, please let me know and I'd love to buy some things. Lace in Peace, Laurie -- Laurie J Hughes Senior Research Associate New England Research Institutes, Inc 9 Galen Street, Suite 117 Watertown, MA 02472-4521 v: (617) 923-7747 x341 f: (617) 926-8246 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.neriscience.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] auctions/valuation
The auction at Bonham's that Jeri alerted us to has occurred and the prices realized are already available. Unfortunately there are very few pictures, but there are some. _http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EURscreen=CatalogueiSaleNo=11976_ (http://www.bonhams.com/cgi-bin/public.sh/pubweb/publicSite.r?sContinent=EURscreen=CatalogueiSaleNo=11976) Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
On 6 Sep 2005 at 10:38, Carolyn Hastings wrote: I don't want to downgrade our lace in any way, and certainly I do think there are many wonderful lace works of art which our modern lacemakers are producing. However, I am darn sure my lace is **not** art. I think it is beautiful, and I love it. I have been to a number of museums that display art by some very famous artists . Some of it was nothing but junk in my eye. In some of the museums there were also pieces of lace which was much more beautiful than some of the paintings and sculptures. I don't make lace myself (my wife latched onto the kit I bought for myself so SHE could learn) but I marvel at the dedication and time that is envolved in making even a simple bookmark. We have an artist in our neighborhood who charges $1000 per square inch for a painting. I doesn't take her any longer to paint a square inch than it does for my wife to do a square inch of fine bobbin lace. We have several pieces of my wife's art lace as well as pieces purchased in Hungary and Russia hanging in our home. Jim Stavast BeeUtahful Bobbins www.beeutahful.com Jim ShopSite, Inc - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Valuing contemporary lace - And antique lace?
In a message dated 9/6/05 9:28:59 AM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: During the off month of July the gallery, which is rather well thought of, in a departure from its usual practice, actually rented out the space to a graduate school MFA program from the south. Dear Devon, Perhaps I told you at the time: About 10 years ago, when the main shopping street in Portland Maine had many vacant stores, I gave thought to renting a store for the Summer, and exhibiting lace there for a few months. However, I soon realized the costs went beyond monthly rent! There was no guarantee anyone would come to my party or even help to staff it. Once I had collected attendance figures (low) for other places like the Historical Society's galleries (where everything is behind glass and self-guided), I abandoned the idea. Since then, the area has become the Arts District! There is an organization called Maine Fiberarts, which is an umbrella for everyone creating and collecting textiles in the state who wishes to participate. One year, there was a festival in the museums and a hotel in Portland. I paid the expenses for the participation of our small Lacemakers of Maine group and the local EGA Chapter, because otherwise lace and embroidery would not have been included. Each year since, the Director of Maine Fiberarts has asked if I would exhibit antique laces - but has offered no secure place! Maine Fiberarts has one room in a very old bank building and artists do not seem to worry about exhibiting in the open space that is also the office. They need more space with more security, appropriate light, and supervision. Until then, I'm holding out for something more appropriate. As you know, Devon, the American Textile History Museum's problems have me reeling. I've always regarded this museum so highly and have been quietly working on a goal of something similar, on a much smaller scale, for lace and embroidery. Sigh I have yet to meet the right people to partner with who will do it in an appropriate way. Everywhere, there is a lack of understanding that lace and embroidery require a special kind of loving care and protective exhibition space. The most recent report I've read, by Michael J. Smith, President and CEO, American Textile History Museum, says they will cut the operating budget with a 50% staff reduction September 30. Fourteen employees, including all the present curatorial staff, will remain. They will curate the collections, provide a limited educational program, and curate special exhibitions. The museum will be open only Thursday through Sunday! For the last 8 years, this museum received donations of $800,000 a year for operating support, but needed nearly twice that. I (Jeri) find their plans disturbing, with respect to selling 55% of their the mortgage-free building. Note this: *The museum store will be closed or spun off to a private operator on October 1.* For more information: http://www.athm.org/ Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
But that is precisely the point I'm trying to make. The issue in art isn't quality or time, but creativity/originality. Otherwise, all of the copies of great works of art would be art, and personally, I don't think that they are. I think they might be described as crafsmanlike copies, but not art. Just because you pick up a paint brush and paint, your product isn't automatically art. Same for lace. The medium doesn't define art. Just my two cents worth. I'm not trying to revive a discussion about art/craft definitions. That's pretty personal. I think what I'm saying is, whichever, it is worth **something** -- a **something** we have a pretty hard time getting recognition of. Either way, the lace is of value. Actually, I guess what I'm fighting for here is a recognition of the value of craft. We shouldn't have to defend our lace as art to have it valued. Regards, Carolyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2005 1:13 PM To: lace@arachne.com; Carolyn Hastings Subject: RE: [lace] craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace On 6 Sep 2005 at 10:38, Carolyn Hastings wrote: I don't want to downgrade our lace in any way, and certainly I do think there are many wonderful lace works of art which our modern lacemakers are producing. However, I am darn sure my lace is **not** art. I think it is beautiful, and I love it. I have been to a number of museums that display art by some very famous artists . Some of it was nothing but junk in my eye. In some of the museums there were also pieces of lace which was much more beautiful than some of the paintings and sculptures. I don't make lace myself (my wife latched onto the kit I bought for myself so SHE could learn) but I marvel at the dedication and time that is envolved in making even a simple bookmark. We have an artist in our neighborhood who charges $1000 per square inch for a painting. I doesn't take her any longer to paint a square inch than it does for my wife to do a square inch of fine bobbin lace. We have several pieces of my wife's art lace as well as pieces purchased in Hungary and Russia hanging in our home. Jim Stavast BeeUtahful Bobbins www.beeutahful.com Jim ShopSite, Inc - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Valuing contemporary lace - And antique lace?
In a message dated 9/6/2005 1:19:33 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Perhaps I told you at the time: About 10 years ago, when the main shopping street in Portland Maine had many vacant stores, I gave thought to renting a store for the Summer, and exhibiting lace there for a few months. However, I soon realized the costs went beyond monthly rent! There was no guarantee anyone would come to my party or even help to staff it. Once I had collected attendance figures (low) for other places like the Historical Society's galleries (where everything is behind glass and self-guided), I abandoned the idea. Since then, the area has become the Arts District! Those who visited the exhibit in Union City, the Cultural Thread, during the NJ lace convention might be interested to know that it is still up. But the woman who is responsible for it, after sitting several Sundays with no one coming, has made it by appointment only. She is more than happy to come and open the gallery. In fact, the Textile Center's employees made a visit there and visited a lace factory as well. But, many people are reluctant to bother someone to open a show. It isn't, of course, strictly an art exhibit. But she has continued to get support, grants, etc. to study oral histories of the textile workers. There is an organization called Maine Fiberarts, which is an umbrella for everyone creating and collecting textiles in the state who wishes to participate. One year, there was a festival in the museums and a hotel in Portland. I paid the expenses for the participation of our small Lacemakers of Maine group and the local EGA Chapter, because otherwise lace and embroidery would not have been included. Each year since, the Director of Maine Fiberarts has asked if I would exhibit antique laces - but has offered no secure place! Maine Fiberarts has one room in a very old bank building and artists do not seem to worry about exhibiting in the open space that is also the office. They need more space with more security, appropriate light, and supervision. Until then, I'm holding out for something more appropriate. I went to a great exhibit of things made by members of the national EGA, held at the Giralda Farms Office Park, in the Nabisco Building gallery. You had to go through a security gate and say you were going to the exhibit, etc. But I was not the only one who went to the trouble. It was attended, as I recall, by someone from Nabisco who is in charge of the gallery, possibly the receptionist for the building. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Mounting fans
Firstly, I remembered incorrecty - Christine Springett's booklet sold on ebay for GBP21.00 not 27. Caroline wrote: OK, I have a question, probably dumb, that has puzzled me for years. **Why** go to all the bother of pleating and folding the fan at all? I must admit to not pleatin my fans, but the ones Christine sdhows in her video are very precisly and neatly done, and ensures that the stick is in *exactly* the right place. Another question: one set of fan sticks came with single holes,perhaps two inches apart, along the sticks. How am I supposed to use that to mount the fan leaf? I've used these holes by passing the needle and thread up through the hole and lace, down through the lace and one side of the fan stick, up through the hole and lace again and then down through the lace on the other side of the stick, fastening off the ends of the thread with a knot behind the stick. This probably isn't right, but it worked for me and ensured that, if the glue came unstuck, the leaf would stay fixed to the stick. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Mounting lace fans
At 07:16 AM 9/6/2005, you wrote: OK, I have a question, probably dumb, that has puzzled me for years. **Why** go to all the bother of pleating and folding the fan at all? All but one of the fans are displayed in frames,and they are open. If a fan is intended to be framed, it makes no sense to bother with folding it. If you keep it as a single entity, it is easier to store and transport folded. In my fan class, we glued the fanleaf to the sticks, let dry, and then gently folded if we wanted it to fold. The folds were not pressed in sharp creases. I have had a whole evolution regarding the mounting glue. Now I use very pure Japanese wheat paste (cooked) purchased from Talas in New York. ... I have heard that at least one prominent teacher recommends the use of cooking flour to make the paste -- Wheat paste IS flour and water, cooked together. Use plain, unbleached flour that has no additives, plus water, and you have pure wheat paste. One part flour to five parts water, cooked for a minute or two, stirred frequently. For the small fan I made, I needed only about a teaspoon of flour. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon--celebrating finishing a 33 long project. Alas -- if it had been in two colors, I could have extended it as my table ribbon. G - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Mounting lace fans
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Alice Howell Wheat paste IS flour and water, cooked together. Use plain, unbleached flour that has no additives, plus water, and you have pure wheat paste. One part flour to five parts water, cooked for a minute or two, stirred frequently. For the small fan I made, I needed only about a teaspoon of flour. Happy lacing, Alice in Oregon Although Japanese wheat paste is (obviously) flour, it differs from flour that you buy in the grocery store. I think it is really starch, very fine and pure. I was originally informed about this by the conservator at the rare books library at the university where my husband used to work. I had written to ask his advice (he is, bar none, the most informed individual I've ever heard regarding issues of conservation) for what to use to mount the fans. He told me that regular (supermarket) wheat flour still has many impurities that may in later years cause stains. He highly recommended the use of the Japanese wheat paste (Zen Shofu). It is a very pure form of flour, and I think it is finer. Of course his experience is with books, not textiles, but the same concerns apply. I use a 1:5 ratio paste:distilled water (1/4 tsp. was enough for my very very large fan) cooked 15 seconds in the microwave. I keep it frozen until I need it and it has lasted for years. Here's some more information: http://www.nedcc.org/plam3/tleaf66.htm (Northeast Documents Conservation Center) Conservators recommend paste that is homemade from pure starch extracted from flour, usually wheat or rice flour. This starch is available from conservation suppliers in powdered form. A recipe for starch paste follows, as well as directions for making paste in a microwave oven. And for those of us who have scorned the idea of using wallpaper paste, here is a permutation from the same source as above (using wallpaper paste compared to methyl cellulose to me is as using store flour to wheat paste): ANOTHER SIMPLE PASTE: METHYL CELLULOSE Methyl cellulose, the main ingredient in most commercial wallpaper pastes, is acceptable for conservation purposes if used in its pure form. It is available from conservation suppliers as a white powder and does not need to be cooked. More information, and instructions, about each method and more appear on their web site. I still think it worth the time and expense in hope of having my lace look nice longer. Regards, Carolyn - - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Lace pillow stand
When someone actually finds a carpenter willing to try, I could disassemble mine and measure the pieces... Weronika On Mon, Sep 05, 2005 at 11:15:58AM -0700, Addicks wrote: Perhaps Mr. Belleville would consider offering a measured drawing for sale if he's no longer making the pillow stands for sale. The photos are very helpful, but my carpenter doesn't swing into gear without measurements. And just a note, from long experience, the postal service is the far better choice when posting to Canda. UPS is intolerable, Fed Ex the better alternative. Alison Addicks - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Stanford, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lace Guild Website Update
We've just updated The Lace Guild's website, the main item being extracts from the July Issue of 'Lace'. (The Young Lacemaker page will come later.) In addition the following have been updated: 1. The Events pages (especially lace days) 2. The Suppliers ads 3. The list of second-hand books for sale from The Lace Guild. The url is in the signature. Remember to reload/refresh your browsers if necessary. David and Jean in Glasgow -- Lace Guild home page: http://www.laceguild.org (alternative if problems: http://www.laceguild.demon.co.uk/) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] IOLI Contest submission rules - another query
I can certainly appreciate the need to take *ultimate* care of the volunteer labor you have in organizational publications! And yet, I still have not heard a clear response to my question - why can't a person send their own picture, along with an entry form - for use of the committee? (and then bring their piece with them to the convention).This would certainly allow a photographer to allot time (on the open day - Wednesday?) to photograph all of the entries which were likely to be printed in the bulletin. An alternative would be that any entries would need to be recieved by a certain time on Saturday afternoon before convention opened. That way, a serious competitor who valued her lace beyond the USPS could plan her travel accordingly and still give the photographer a solid block of time to get the work done prior to the opening of the display room (AND commencement of classes in which s/he might want to participate). Clay Clay Blackwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] [Original Message] From: Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace Arachne lace@arachne.com Date: 9/5/2005 10:07:47 PM Subject: [lace] Re: IOLI contest entries On Sep 5, 2005, at 17:59, Helen Bell wrote: The IOLI Editor knows what he/she (in this year's case, Debra Jenny) wants for the Bulletin, Debra has been the IOLI's Bulletin Editor for 3 (4?) yrs, and she's turned the publication around to the point where I dread the possibility of her burning out and quitting (Julie Hendrick was an excelent Editor also, if in harder times, and when she had not enough support, she left) so, with me, it's almost always what Debra wants, Debra gets g. Her being both the Editor and the Contest Chairman this year is unusual. But, as Helen says, she's *super* at photographing lace, which is why I always leave it to her to do the ugly bits of the publishing process. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Mounting lace fans
In a message dated 9/6/05 5:15:41 PM Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Although Japanese wheat paste is (obviously) flour, it differs from flour that you buy in the grocery store. I think it is really starch, very fine and pure. Yes, Carolyn! Anyone who has mastered Japanese silk embroidery will recognize this. It is described in Suji Tamura's book The Techniques of Japanese Embroidery, page 54. Metal threads are usually not stitched, but couched on top with silk thread. The ends are poked or pulled to the back and trimmed to a short length. Some of these embroidered pieces are various types of fans, and they are covered with fabric on the back so you do not see how they have been stabilized. When you think about it - with many silk and metal threads loose on back of fine embroidered fabric, you do not want the appearance of lumps made by weaving in ends showing on the top surface. The best way to secure the tails and not tear silk is with the wheat starch, cooked into a jelly. Very little is used - it must not soak through to the top (right) side. The instructions are to put a very small amount of starch jelly in the palm of your hand, add a little water, if necessary, and work it into a very thin film. Rub this onto the back of the embroidered areas with your fingertip in the direction of the stitches and be careful to stay within the embroidered area so as not to stain the fabric. This has been done for centuries. And, I have bought old Chinese embroideries with something that looks similar on the back. It seems a good solution to a difficult problem, since it has withstood the test of time. Very often, silk areas that do not have embroidery will shred and fall apart. The embroidered areas remain intact, and I think that is due to the application of wheat starch. All threads are vulnerable to expansion and contraction when kept in a changing temperature/humidity climate, and that is probably why the unstarched silk areas fall apart - from the wear that comes from this action that the human eye does not see. The starch is powerful in that it prevents movement of the fibers in the embroidered areas. I urge you to store your lace fans in a climate where there are few changes in temperature/humidity. No attic storage, please! And no basement storage, either! In many climates, you should hang framed fans on an inside wall. Even though you are indoors, the outer wall temperatures fluctuate from day to night, and that is not a good thing. Observe how air conditioned air and heated air is circulating in the room. Do not spotlight, or place framed fans near natural or artificial light or over a source of heat. All this makes sense to most of us, but you would not believe what some interior decorators (even famous ones) do with textile art. Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Photo ?
I have forgotten how to upload pictures to the Arachne 2003 webshot albums. I did it once but forgot how to add new photos. Can anyone help. Pam - Click here to donate to the Hurricane Katrina relief effort. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: IOLI Contest submission rules - another query
On Sep 6, 2005, at 18:56, Clay Blackwell wrote: And yet, I still have not heard a clear response to my question - why can't a person send their own picture, along with an entry form - for use of the committee? (and then bring their piece with them to the convention).This would certainly allow a photographer to allot time (on the open day - Wednesday?) to photograph all of the entries which were likely to be printed in the bulletin. The original question (forget whose) was posed somewhat differently - why can't we supply our own photos *instead* of having someone else photograph the entries. And Aurelia's response was exactly to the point - because not all of them would be of publisheable quality. Your question (send a preview picture, to be professionally re-photographed, *if* the piece merits publication) gives a *bit* more wiggle room. I think. Maybe g Let's see... The entry *forms* (with the pics), would still need to be sent back ahead of time to the Contest Chairman. Probably by the same date - a month ahead of Convention - which doesn't do squat for those (like Jacquie), who're considering entering, but worrying not only about losing the entry in the mail, but about the extra *time* lost. Unless, of course, we could be allowed to return the entry *form* with a photo of partially finished lace and full description... And that - on the basis of those - Debra would be able to determine which ones are the likely prospects for publishing. I'm still not sure it would work... I think it would depend on the total number of entries and on the number of entries which Debra will want to publish patterns for (those need to be provided, in case of original design entry). Usually, the wining entries in the original design category get published (but she can't guesss which one those will be g), with the technical proficiency ones just getting a photo (usually, but if the adaptation is drastic...). Beyond that (the winners), the patterns are published, I think, not so much according to how beautiful the lace, but according to how well the instructions have been written/diagrammed, and how prolific (or not) other contributors might have been during the year between Conventions... So, I think, the Contest Chairman would like to have *all* the entries photographed against all possible contingencies, since she also happens to be The Editor of the Bulletin. Which would bring us back to square one - having to photograph all the entries during the Convention. And I don't know about *Debra* vis-a-vis Wednesday, but... I'm perfectly happy to pass up a trip to a car race course, or chocolate factory or rodeo but, in Montreal, I'm about 99% certain the problem will be of *which of the choices to pass up* (just as was true of Hasbruck Heights and Bethesda Conventions)... :) I've never been to Montreal and am not likely to visit again - anything they want to show me, I want to see. And, they're likely to have a lot of lace-related stuff to show. An alternative would be that any entries would need to be recieved by a certain time on Saturday afternoon before convention opened. That presupposes that not only Debra, but all the entrants unwilling to trust their lace to the mails would have to shell out for the hotel and meals for an extra 24 hrs... Yours, wondering whether I could - possibly - make *three* mini-table ribbons (in wire) as prizes for 1st in Original Design, 1st in technical Proficiency *and* the Popular Choice, instead of just one (Popular Choice)... And whether I can do it by November 15 (next - January - issue deadline), so that it keeps the competition in the forefront, with still time enough to do something about it. PS This time, rather than forward all the pertinent messages to Debra (and clog up her inbox further), I alerted her to watch out for them; she's subscribed to Arachne, just too busy to dissect every dot and comma... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Barbara Fay and her lace books
Gentle Spiders, Got Fay's catalogue-update sheet today, with 16 new/coming up books in it. I like the update sheets and save them, because they're in colour (photo of the book's cover) and heve a bit of a review - sketchy, but more than what's in the main catalogue. My own catalogue is out on loan, so I can't check if any of the books on the sheet are there or not; the catalogue was printed in March, so they may not be. Ordered three of the books from the sheet, postage free (ie slow boat to China), and noticed 2 things: 1) Fay now has a website; never thought I'd see the day, given how resistant she was to the idea of getting an *e-mail* account g German only, so far, but a step in the right direction: http://barbara-fay.de/mambo452/index.php?option=com_frontpageItemid=1 or, in plain language: http://www.barbara-fay.de (which is what's printed on the sheet, and how I got there; the first URL is home-specific) 2) One needs to be *more than ever* watchful about making decisions as to what to order from where. US suppliers usually have comparable (within 10 cents) basic prices, with my two favourites - Lacy Susan (Wenzel) - shipping at cost (so you never know ahead of time what it'll be g), and Holly Van Sciver shipping at a set rate ($5.5 minimum, $12 maximum, 8% of total cost in between). It *used to be*, that getting a book from Fay was always a good deal cheaper than getting it from an US supplier, if you got it postage-free from her. That held true *even* about books published in US (don't ask me how; sounds like a *lot* of wasted gasoline, shunting the books to and fro... How can you *still* make a profit?). But the roulette table has been reshuffled somewhat... :) Speed versus price may still be what makes you decide where to order, but the gap is closing a bit, in some cases. One of the books I ordered from Fay I could not find on Holly's site (which is the one I always check first, since she gets her books faster than anyone else in US, and often exclusively)... I probably missed it :) Another book (Voelcker-Loehr's Viele Gute Grunde part IV), even though published in Germany, had the same (within 5 cents) base price, according to today's conversion rates between the Euro and the USdollar. It might *well* be worth $5.50 to have it in your hands within one week instead of 6 :) On my third choice - Loehr/Voelcker's Dick durch Dunn (Thick Through Thin, the book Laurie mentioned as a possibility for patterns for the table ribbon. Except that, unlike Laurie, Fay doesn't think it's suitable for beginners. Quote: those runners are not very easy to work... something for the experts in tedious and delicate work...), I saved a lot more; the base price at Fay is 24 Euro which, today, translates to $29.90. It may be as much as 50 cents more or less by the time my order reaches her (I sent it s-mail, which also means an 80 cent stamp and an envelope) but, even at $32 all told, it's a good deal cheaper than $34.95 (base)+5.50 (shipping), especially since I don't mind waiting. OTOH... If you live in US, and want Cathy Belleville's Introducing Rosalibre... Don't even *think* of Fay...g 2-3 yrs ago, Fay's and Holly's basic prices, including the books published in US, were about the same, with the price of shipping/speed being the only difference. Weeelll... Times have changed... g It's Euro 36 (U$ 44.80 at today's rate of exchange) at Fay's, and $29.95 at Holly's; even adding $5.50 for shipping saves you over 8 bucks... For all I know, it might be cheaper for *Europeans* to get the book from Holly... :) Yours, debating whether or not to cancel my (promised) attendance as a lace judge at the State Fair of Virginia in Richmond on Sept 18. It's 140miles one way (if I don't get lost g), and a tankful of gas to go and come back, in my - moderately efficient - VW Passat sedan. When I agreed to serve - end of July - the cost was about $33. About a third more than what I was used to (in the golden days of governmental fiscal responsibility), and more than I like, but we're all prepared to bleed (money and time) for the cause of lace, no? But, today, when I checked, the same tankful would cost me $56 - Katrina disaster adding to the Iraq one... Add the time... When I agreed to serve, I figured on doing the trip in 2.5 hours max (one way), including the few stretches of 45mph limit and a 10 min break at a rest stop for pee and smoke. But, driving 75+ mph on the highway is not fuel efficient; 60mph (below the 65mph limit) is... Add... 30? 45? 60? minutes each way? 7 hours on the road and $55 later, and I've seen and judged 5pieces of lace? And got 2 tickets to the fair as recompense, which I can't afford to use (due to gas prices g), even if I wanted to (which I don't, having seen *all* the craft entries I was interested in already, since they're judged in the same hall as lace)??? I never could understand how some people manage,
[lace] Lacemaking at Knotts Berry Farm
Lacemakers, My son and his fiance have come home from a trip to Los Angeles. He just informed me that there was a lady making lace at Knotts Berry Farm. Has anyone else seen this? I am thrilled that he took notice and he even told the lacemaker that his mom did that. I am wondering if this lacemaker was a member of Arachne! Unfortunately he didn't take any pictures, Irene Whitham Canada - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Katrina help
Late catching up on reading mail, but talked with DD this weekend. She was going to come down, but because of gas situation decided better part of valor , etc. Anyhow, she works for the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities and has been very busy coordinating exchange of students from Gulf Colleges to those in safer parts of the country; working out logistics on transfer of records, funds, etc. Several of the colleges in Central Virginia are taking in students - there are 4 or 5 in our city/ metro./ area Many individuals in the area are also taking in families. We're glad Beth escaped the devastation we saw so much of on TV (and saved the forever project :) Louise in Central Virginia [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: craft vs. art/valuing contemporary lace
On Sep 6, 2005, at 13:34, Carolyn Hastings wrote: Actually, I guess what I'm fighting for here is a recognition of the value of craft. We shouldn't have to defend our lace as art to have it valued. How I *wish*!!! Like you, I think of myself as an artisan, a craftsperson, not an artist - an interesting design, competently executed, has plenty of merit... I see bits of - excellently made - furniture, jewelry, sculpture/carvings, some textiles as well as prints and paintings in our local Artists in Cahoots co-operative gallery, and wonder why it's not called Artisans in Cahoots... But, ever since craft began to be equated with glue beads to a pre-cut piece of plywood, then spray the lot with metalic paint kind of activity, the value of craft sank right down below the septic tank levels... I doubt we can ever re-establish the value of craft and craftsman - I think that went down the toilet when the first *kit* (*all* you need to create X!) was produced... But, at least in the English language, the term artisan might be worth bringing back from obscurity and adopting for people like thee and me :) It's half way toward art, without having the pretention of calling oneself an artist. And it suggests the *old-fashioned* kind of craftsmanship, with a solid foundation... An artisan has to study for many years in a particular technique, and pass exams (for real, or in one's own mind) which include original design - visionary or vsionless, according to one's ability. That's what *most of us* do, irrespective of whether we design our on patterns, adjust someone else's, or replicate someone else's as is. We're all artisans, at a different stage of learning the particular craft. A modern craftsperson, OTOH needs to have money rather than dedication - buy pattern X, with the bag of threads Y, another bag of beads Z, a glue gun and glue sticks. Fabric and ribbon optional. No thought required :) I don't think I want to share the pit with that kind of craft, and will remain, artisan-ly yours -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Longish but definitely worth the wait...
not sure if it is worth the wait but it might raise a wee smile jenny barron Sunny Scotland Last Saturday night; a young chap was walking home from a club. It was a cold, wet, windy evening, and he was tired and freezing. Most of the streetlights in the area were broken, and the silence was only broken by the occasional sound of a stray cat sifting through a dustbin. Then suddenly he heard a strange noise... BUMP BUMP BUMP Startled by this, he turned, and to his amazement, through the driving rain, he saw the faint outline of a large box turning into his road. BUMP BUMP BUMP He froze to the spot, he couldn't believe his eyes, as the box approached from the shadows, he was able to make out its shape more clearlyIt was a coffin. Not wanting anything to do with this, he put his head down and started walking briskly home. BUMP BUMP BUMP He could feel the coffin gaining on him, he started walking faster. BUMPBUMP.. BUMPBUMP. BUMPBUMP.. The coffin was closing with his every step, he started to jog, but he heard the coffin speed up after him.. BUMPBUMP..BUMP.. BUMPBUMP..BUMP.. BUMPBUMP..BUMP.. He started to sprint, but so did the coffin . BUMP...BUMP...BUMP...BUMP. BUMP...BUMP...BUMP...BUMP. BUMP...BUMP...BUMP...BUMP. Eventually he made it to his front door, but he knew the coffin was Only seconds behind. Fumbling around in his pocket, he pulled out his keys, His hand trembling, he managed to open the lock, he dived inside slamming The front door behind him. He shot into his front room, and lumped into his comfy chair. Suddenly there was a loud crash, as the coffin smashed its way through the front door. The force of the impact broke the lock off the coffin allowing the lid to swing freely on its rusty hinges as it continued Its chase. BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... In horror the young lad fled again, as fast as his shaking legs could take him he bolted upstairs to the bathroom and locked the door BUMP...SCREECH...HOP...BUMP...SCREECH...HOP... BUMP...SCREECH...HOP...BUMP...SCREECH...HOP... BUMP...SCREECH...HOP...BUMP...SCREECH...HOP... The coffin again gave chase up the stairs, across the landing and launched itself at the bathroom door. With an almighty smash, the Bathroom door flew off its hinges The coffin stood in the doorway, then started to approach the young terrified lad. BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... In a last ditch attempt to save his skin, he reached for his bathroom cabinet.. He grabbed a bar of Imperial Leather soap and threw it at the coffin...still it came . BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... He grabbed his can of Lynx deodorant and threw it . Still it came.. BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... He grabbed his first aid kit and threw it .still it came.. BUMP...SCREECH...BUMP...SCREECH... He grabbed some Benelyn cough mixture and threw it The coffin stopped. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] web site;o)
Hey girls, a nice little web site your DH or associated male may enjoy. http://www.scrotalsafetycommission.com/ Cheers, Yvonne. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Manchester 100 Bike ride
Hi All, Steph thank you so much for sending your bike ride report! Congratulations on finishing and getting up that steep hill into Styal!! I enjoyed reading about it very much, much more than I would have enjoyed riding it G. Jane in Vermont, USA where the nights are getting cooler and I'm loving that! [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Language Evolution
How many languages do you speak? Cheers, Yvonne. - Original Message - From: Tamara P Duvall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linguistics is fun... As fascinatiing as lace g -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] the transformation of human languages
- Original Message - From: Sylvie Nguyen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:55 AM Subject: [lace-chat] the transformation of human languages There is a fascinating book, The Powere of Babel, by John McWorter. The book is described as a natural history of language. For those interested in linguistics and the historical relationships of languages, I do suggest reading it. Another informative book, I am currently reading, while not so totally focused on language but none the less fascintating, Guns, Germs and Steel(a short history of everyone for the last 13,000 years) Cheers, Yvonne. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
