[lace] Re: Orvus (was: olive oil soap and lace)

[Tamara P Duvall]

On Feb 10, 2006, at 19:37, bevw wrote:


Orvus at the local feed store seems available only in a large tub


I get mine, in 8oz bottles, from Clotilde:

http://www.clotilde.com/cl/product_group.asp? 
listtype=search&searchterm=orvus&go.x=9&go.y=9&dept_name=Search+Result%3 
A+orvus&g_id=141210

or:
http://tinyurl.com/7uqox

Since it's highly concentrated and you use tiny amounts, it lasts a  
long time. I use it for all textiles which I handwash -- lace, silk  
shirts, wool sweaters. Quite apart from it being recommended as the  
most benign, I also like it because it's not foamy, and so it's easy to  
rinse out fully, unlike dish detergent or shampoo.


Of course, if the website info is correct, and one has to add $10 to  
normal shipping charges to get it sent to Canada, it makes the whole  
proposition ridiculous (it looks like it's cheaper to send anywhere  
*but* to Canada -- the actual postage plus $3)


Like Alice, I too am allergic to Ivory soap (the only soap I seem to be  
allergic to, as a matter of fact).


--
Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/
Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland)

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[lace] Re: Sunlight soap, --Ivory soap

[Alice Howell]

> For soap in the bathtub, I would use Ivory ("it's
> 99.9% pure") and it
> floats - and I would use it to wash lace too 

Not me.  My mother was very allegic to Ivory soap,
dispite it's 'pure' claim.  Since I seem to have
inherited her sensitive skin, I have avoided Ivory
soap my whole life.  I won't use it for anything, just
in case I get a rash from it.

I'll stick with Orvus for my lace, and other soaps for
me.  What works for one person doesn't always work for
another.

Alice in Oregon -- enjoying the last of the sunshine today

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Re: [lace] olive oil soap and lace

[bevw]

Check here, anyone interested, straight from the, er, silkworm's mouth.
(sorry)
http://www.treenwaysilks.com/care_of_silk.html

The reference is in the top paragraph.

For myself, being basically a slacker and tending to avoid extra
laundry, I have never used Orvus (have always washed whatever fleece I
might have with dish detergent!), and if I do want to wash a piece of
my lace, I use the mild dish detergent, but again, it's my own work,
and I dont' worry that it should last into posterity, and actually,
for what it's worth, it probably shouldn't LOL. The olive oil soap
they mention I could buy more readily than Orvus, and wouldn't have to
buy a humongous quantity. Orvus at the local feed store seems
available only in a large tub - but then it's meant for grooming the
animals. I did buy an o.o.s. product made in Greece that was lovely to
use, hadn't occurred to me to even bother trying it on textiles.
I'll go back to puzzling out a garter pattern now.

On 2/10/06, Clay Blackwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I recently got a sample of olive oil soap which is being marketed as a
> facial cleanser.
> So apparently there are variations in this product from one manufacturer to
> another which are extremely important!!  I

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RE: [lace] olive oil soap and lace

[Clay Blackwell]

I recently got a sample of olive oil soap which is being marketed as a
facial cleanser.  I used it, and quite frankly was delighted with how my
skin felt - it wasn't tight or dry, but felt really clean and NOT needing a
moisturizer.  

So apparently there are variations in this product from one manufacturer to
another which are extremely important!!  I'd suggest that someone contact
the fiber artist who loves it and ask her for more information.  The
specific product she likes may, in fact, be excellent.  But with Orvus at
our disposal, who needs it?

Clay

Clay Blackwell
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> [Original Message]
> From: bevw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: lace Arachne 
> Date: 2/10/2006 4:39:29 PM
> Subject: [lace] olive oil soap and lace
>
> Hi everyone
> I have it on good authority that olive oil soap should not be used for
> cleaning precious lace (the watchword being 'precious' - and the
> choice of word mine). There are a couple of things to consider
> further, and because I don't have the time available to research,
> perhaps it might interest someone else to followup. The considerations
> are: Orvus is an accepted product for cleaning vintage and antique
> textiles. It is also used for cleaning fleece, and even the animals
> themselves, such as for a show. It is known that it won't damage the
> fibre (and if it is sodium lauryl sulfate, it would be in hair shampoo
> products - although I'm seeing labels that announce 'does not contain
> sodium lauryl etc.' - what that means, I dunno. I digress). Having
> heard that olive oil soap is used for washing textiles, particularly
> those with protein based fibres (silk, wool), logic would tell me that
> if Orvus is used for washing protein based fibres and also precious
> textiles including lace, then by the same association olive oil soap
> could be used likewise. However, it would be interesting to compare
> the composition of Orvus and olive oil soap. Orvus shouldn't leave any
> residuals that would impose damage on cotton and linen textiles such
> as laces; olive oil soap might (and even the word 'oil' in the
> description could be a warning). But like I say, I don't know for
> sure. Maybe someone could check into it.
>
> My free advice is - if it's really precious lace, stick to the tried
> and true methods. If you want to give an everyday textile a bit of a
> scrub, and you have olive oil soap available, then try it. I
> understand that a brand called Sunlight is used by textile
> conservationists in other parts of the world, but I don't know this
> product's composition.
>
> The Sunlight soap 'here' (North America) is a harsh hard soap which is
> used for laundry, used to be every home had some, but you can still
> buy a package of the yellow bars. It isn't very nice on the hands, but
> a little bit goes a long way, and it could be used for every day
> textiles too.
> --
> bye for now
> Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
> Cdn. floral bobbins
> www.woodhavenbobbins.com
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Re: [lace] Straw-Filled Pillows tale

[Allan and Yvonne Farrell]

> when I had opened the bale outside, it was packed in neat 'books' and
> it didn't explode. 

In Australia we call them biscuits but I get the vibe of it...*g*


Cheers, Yvonne.

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Re: Sunlight soap, was RE [lace] olive oil soap and lace

[bevw]

On 2/10/06, Jay Ekers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Different formulations in different countries?

Yes, could be!  - I have a packet of two bars of 130 g. each, made by
Unilever and made in Canada. Ingredients aren't listed. but I wouldn't
use this product in the bath! Directions for use include getting out
tough stains on clothing, washing any hard surface, scrubbing one's
hands after 'jobs in the kitchen, around the house or in the gardens.'
 Then the blurb continues "its full, creamy lather cleans your hands
thoroughly and leaves them smelling fresh.' I will attest to the fresh
smell. The cleaning thoroughly is true, too, but very drying to the
skin. I think this soap is made with lye. The packet is also labelled
'pure soap.'
For soap in the bathtub, I would use Ivory ("it's 99.9% pure") and it
floats - and I would use it to wash lace too (would rinse it quite a
few times - and no, I dont own any really precious old laces).

Haven't seen bar soap
> for a long time but cakes of Sunlight bath soap here (Australia) are
> labelled as 'pure soap'.

Bar or cake of soap - I would use the terms interchangeably, but
'cake' less often.

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Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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[lace] Workshops by Jane Atkinson

[Pauline Denmark]

Dear Lacy Friends

 

If you get the opportunity to look at Jane Atkinson's new website, you wont
regret it. She will be teaching workshops in Northfield, Illinois and at
Philadelphia Liberty Lacers. Have a look at this link, and if you have any
interest in contemporary lace, you cannot fail to be enthused and inspired
by the work shown, and the opportunity to participate in one or other of
Jane's Workshop.

 

Link: http://www.lace.nildram.co.uk  

 

 

 

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Sunlight soap, was RE [lace] olive oil soap and lace

[Jay Ekers]

Different formulations in different countries?  Haven't seen bar soap
for a long time but cakes of Sunlight bath soap here (Australia) are
labelled as 'pure soap'.  Don't know what is normally added to 'unpure'
soap but the ingredients listed on the packet of Sunlight soap are:
Sodium tallowate, water, sodium cocoate, and/or sodium palm kernelate,
glycerin, fragrance, sodium chloride, titanium dioxide, etidronic acid,
tetrasodium EDTA.

Jay Ekers
Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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>>

I understand that a brand called Sunlight is used by textile
conservationists in other parts of the world, but I don't know this
product's composition.

The Sunlight soap 'here' (North America) is a harsh hard soap which is
used for laundry, used to be every home had some, but you can still
buy a package of the yellow bars. It isn't very nice on the hands, but
a little bit goes a long way, and it could be used for every day
textiles too.
--
bye for now
Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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[lace] olive oil soap and lace

[bevw]

Hi everyone
I have it on good authority that olive oil soap should not be used for
cleaning precious lace (the watchword being 'precious' - and the
choice of word mine). There are a couple of things to consider
further, and because I don't have the time available to research,
perhaps it might interest someone else to followup. The considerations
are: Orvus is an accepted product for cleaning vintage and antique
textiles. It is also used for cleaning fleece, and even the animals
themselves, such as for a show. It is known that it won't damage the
fibre (and if it is sodium lauryl sulfate, it would be in hair shampoo
products - although I'm seeing labels that announce 'does not contain
sodium lauryl etc.' - what that means, I dunno. I digress). Having
heard that olive oil soap is used for washing textiles, particularly
those with protein based fibres (silk, wool), logic would tell me that
if Orvus is used for washing protein based fibres and also precious
textiles including lace, then by the same association olive oil soap
could be used likewise. However, it would be interesting to compare
the composition of Orvus and olive oil soap. Orvus shouldn't leave any
residuals that would impose damage on cotton and linen textiles such
as laces; olive oil soap might (and even the word 'oil' in the
description could be a warning). But like I say, I don't know for
sure. Maybe someone could check into it.

My free advice is - if it's really precious lace, stick to the tried
and true methods. If you want to give an everyday textile a bit of a
scrub, and you have olive oil soap available, then try it. I
understand that a brand called Sunlight is used by textile
conservationists in other parts of the world, but I don't know this
product's composition.

The Sunlight soap 'here' (North America) is a harsh hard soap which is
used for laundry, used to be every home had some, but you can still
buy a package of the yellow bars. It isn't very nice on the hands, but
a little bit goes a long way, and it could be used for every day
textiles too.
--
bye for now
Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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[lace] Re: Design courses in IL with Jane Atkinson

[robinlace]

This quote from the website was fascinating!

"You will notice that my initial publicity does not include the 
word ‘lace’ since the uninitiated just think: ‘fine, white and frilly – 
YAWN!’ 

"This was never more truly demonstrated than by a joke in The Now Show 
(Hugh Punt and Les Dennis, BBC Radio 4, February 3, 2005) in which they 
were detailing the ‘most disappointing tourist attractions’ they had 
come across and gave as an example: “The National Lacemaking Museum in 
Belgium. What’s wrong with it?  It’s all in the title!” 

"Ha!  Ha! How sad – and a warning to all of us working on the hard task 
of convincing new people just how fascinating lace can be."


Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly  Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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[lace] good news for tatters

[Tess Parrish]

Thanks to Sheron and Elaine,  we now have a copy of Riego in the 
process of being put on .  It 
may take a week or so, maybe less, but I thought you might be pleased 
to know.


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[lace] book search

[Tess Parrish]

The Professor is trying to amass a collection of what he calls "Wants". 
 If you have any lace books,
pre-1923 remember, he will look them up to see where they are to be 
found.  You can either mail me privately--might be better--or send to 
the list, if you think others might be interested in what you are 
looking for.


This will tell you where they are to be found, but I have had problems 
getting old books through interlibrary loan.  And sometimes the 
institution which is holding them won't let you scan.  But it's a 
start, anyway.


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Re: [lace] Straw-Filled Pillows tale

[bevw]

On 2/10/06, Carol Adkinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> the huge straw bale in her shed - she described it as  similar to an
> explosion of straw, as of course when the straw is baled, it is tightly
> packed, and the release is similar to a bomb going off!I could
> sympathise

Of course I wouldn't have been there, but I have sort of 'done that' -
when I had opened the bale outside, it was packed in neat 'books' and
it didn't explode. I could pick out a book (a pressed unit made by the
baler machine) and deal with it, then another as required, for the
straw-chopping-filling purpose. Time passed, I had a new pillow and
abandoned the remaining bale of straw, and quite a lot of the bale
too, still neatly in itspackaged bale shape. I would deal with it
'later' - well, when I went outside the next day, I was greeted with a
stunning sight - the entire front lawn and garden was golden. A
helpful wind had come up and rearranged the books, so to speak. It
made me laugh out loud! I raked up what I could and most of it went
into the compost, but I got sproutings of green oat grass in unusual
places for a long time after that.

The smell of a new straw-filled pillow is lovely.

--
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Bev in Sooke BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada)
Cdn. floral bobbins
www.woodhavenbobbins.com

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[lace] Re: Design courses in IL with Jane Atkinson

[Sue Babbs]

Guess what I forgot to put in my last message! Yes, Jane's website info! 
It's


http://www.lace.nildram.co.uk

Blame it on the cat standing between me and the computer screen! Actually I 
got so fascinated by the website, that I forgot that I had opened it to cut 
and paste its address!


Sue 


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[lace] Design courses in IL with Jane Atkinson

[Sue Babbs]

We still have some space on the design courses which I am hosting here in 
Northfield, Illinois. Jane Atkinson is coming all the way from England to 
teach here and in PA (see Tina's earlier email for info) in March. Having 
lived here for over 6 years now, I will act as translator! Grin!!!


Jane is a fascinating teacher, who has specialized in teaching lace design. 
She uses mainly basic Torchon stitches, but the ability to twist and cross 
are the only skills you would need, and you could, of course, use any 
stitches you liked. You will be inspired to think in different ways, and 
find that designing is not as scary as you think!


I am hosting two classes - one on Wednesday 22nd March to design a 
personalized shaped grid to make a necklace; and the second over the 
following weekend (2 or 3 days) called "Round and Round in Circles" will 
help us to design on a polar gird. We will be inspired by photos and objects 
we bring, and by working with colored tissue paper to make paper cuts, stamp 
pads and simple stamps, Spirograph, French curves and I'm sure all sorts of 
other ideas I haven't yet heard of.


Jane has published a book and written many articles for magazines such as 
"Lace" and "Lace Express". She has just updated her website (completed 
today) so do go and have a look. It is fascinating and shows many pictures 
of her work on necklaces and circles ( amongst other things)


Contact me for full details of times and place and cost etc. We are a very 
friendly group of people and look forward to meeting some of you! Come and 
play and create your own design!

Sue

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Re: [lace] olive oil soap for cleaning lace...

[Sue Babbs]

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From: "bevw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



old one. To me it indicates olive oil soap is in use among the textile
crowd (not sure if this helps the person asking the question). Just
thought I'd mention it..



http://www.treenwaysilks.com/gallery.html
The reference to the olive oil soap is at the pinwheel scarf.


Olive Oil Soap eg Kiss my face, is also mentioned on the washing silk page. 
A bar of "Kiss my Face" - grated finely, was the soap we were required to 
use last year when I was on a workshop to learn to make a felted hat and 
scarf. (not from lace, but from wool) It left one's hands feeling 
wonderfully soft


Sue 


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Re: [lace] lace in fashion

[Bridget Marrow]

Hi Bev and other spiders

I've just ordered, from a mail order catalogue, a denim dress with a panel 
of tape lace across the back.  Not quite so revealing as the Marie Claire 
one, but obviously part of the same trend.  I hope it will be the star of my 
summer wardrobe and I'll be able to wear it at the Lace Guild convention in 
April.


Its great to see fashion taking up lace again - even if the lace itself may 
not be top quality.


Bridget
in Watford, England, where the sun is shining and I can see that my windows 
need cleaning, but will probably make lace this afternoon instead!


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[lace] Re: PA Workshop with Jane Atkinson

[ceztina]

To All,

There are still spots available for the workshop with Jane Atkinson, 24
Pairs, 24 Colours.  The workshop is scheduled for 3/31/06 - 4/2/06 in
Philadelphia, PA and info is available about this and other workshops on
Jane's website http://www.lace.nildram.co.uk/.  Please contact me regarding
the PA workshop at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks,


Tina Allen
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[lace] stuffing pillows

[The Browns]

Dear All,
As an Essex Lacemaker(ELM) I once had to make a Schneeberger pillow for 
a course with Veronica  Sorenson.  While at a friend's in Chichester we 
started to make the pillows following instructions in Veronica's book.   
As we stuffed the sawdust in and rolled it to the edges with a rolling 
pin, we noticed that  we had a 1/4 moon shape   instead of a 1/2 moon!   
Already to catch the rainwater.
We therefore got on the phone to Veronica, who lived on the Thames 
Estuary about 150 mls. away.   On discribing what we had done and the 
result, she burst into laughter and of course, we joined in.   While she 
might have been in a chair, we were rolling around on the hall floor 
with our husbands looking on and thinking we were mad.
What Vernonica had said was to get 3-ply plywood.  She had not said what 
thickness and the ply we had should have been twice as thick!   
Fortunately the next morning we were able to buy some more wood/sawdust.
What is the lesson from all this.  That while a good belly laugh is very 
benefical  it is a lot easier to buy the pillow in the first place.
Nowadays I would buy a polystyrene one as the sawdust made the pillow 
weigh a ton.
Today I shall start my second piece of Downton Lace towards '7'.  The 
sun is streaming in, it's warm even with the doors open , and I've got 
to pull the blind down because it is too bright to lace!!
Now that show's how ungrateful  we are when the sun shines after it 
being  dull for weeks.

Sheila in Sawbo'
www.lace-helpandhistory.info

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Re: [lace] Straw-Filled Pillows

[Carol Adkinson]

Hi Brenda, Bev et al,

I wonder how many of the Arachne sisterhood are Essex Lace Makers members.
I ask because many years ago - far more than I really care to remember, I
suppose - we at one of the October Open Lace Days all enjoyed a talk by
Elsie Johnson, on making her straw pillows when she first started making
lace.   We all ended up hurting as we had laughed so much!The funniest
thing was her description of what happened when she cut the binding round
the huge straw bale in her shed - she described it as  similar to an
explosion of straw, as of course when the straw is baled, it is tightly
packed, and the release is similar to a bomb going off!I could
sympathise, as I had also done that - but couldn't describe it as humorously
as she did!

I wonder how many remember that - but I am sure all those who were there
wouldn't ever forget it.

Carol - in Suffolk UK, where it is a bright and very sunny morning, albeit
jolly cold outside!


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> On 9 Feb 2006, at 02:24, bevw wrote:
>
 However, we have machines that can do the trick

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Re: [lace] Converting picture to graph

[Darja D]

You should try http://www.darklilac.com/upload.jsp . You need a picture in jpg 
format and you become a pdf graph.
   
  Have fun stitching,
  Darja

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  Liz Ligetti recently asked the list about converting a picture to a 
graph. I just came across this site:

http://www.picturecraftwork.com/en/

They claim to convert your picture to a graph, online! I didn't try 
it, but assume you'd need a digital version of the original to submit 
to the website.

Just thought I'd pass on the info.

Robin P.
Los Angeles, California, USA
(formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania)
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Re: [lace] Converting picture to graph

[Jean Nathan]

Robin wrote:

http://www.picturecraftwork.com/en/

They claim to convert your picture to a graph, online!  I didn't try
it, but assume you'd need a digital version of the original to submit
to the website.>

Just tried it. There's a charge for this of 5 dollars or 5 Euros for 
pictures of more than 1000 stitches. So I tried a small flower picture 34 
stitches wide to keep under 1001 stitches. The result was OK in .pdf 
format. Choice of colour or black and white. Chose colour. It printed on 
three pages -  I think the first is intended to shown the pictures as it 
would looked finished with cross sttches, the second is a list of the 
numbers and colours of DMC floss used and the third is a chart of coloured 
squares with the symbols for the colours in the squares as well. In dark 
colours the symbols are a bit difficut to see. The black and white option 
just gives two pages - one with the floss colours with symbols, and the 
second a chart of black on white symbols.


I've already got a program which will do this for me and which cost less 
than £10. So, having a very mean pocket snake for some things, it's not a 
site I'd use.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK

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[lace] Sheep's fleece

[Jean Nathan]

In the 1970s/80s (before synthetic stuff started to be used) I used to 
restuff horseriding saddles, and had a huge sackfull of washed sheep fleece 
wool. When I stopped doing this, I had half a sack-full left. Didn't know 
what to do with it, so it went in the trash! Although I'd seen lacemaking by 
then, I didn't start it until 1997 so I wasn't aware of the equipment being 
used.


I must be the most unlucky/stupid person on the planet with that and with my 
grandfather-in-law throwing away a whole load of very old bobbins when his 
wife died because he didn't know what they were. (They'd belonged to her 
aunt.) At that time, 1960s, I wouldn't have known either, but I think I'd 
have found out if I'd seen them abd ept them as I was into various 
textile-related activities.


Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK 


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