Re: [lace] Re: Thread Identification
Little balls of Venus will mean the crochet cotton 70 - it comes wound in balls the same size as DMC Special Dentelles (tatting cotton). It's a little bit thicker than Special Dentelles but generally the two are interchangeable. Venus colours are brighter and more vivid than the DMC, but I have heard people say that the very brightest colours can sometimes rub off onto the cover cloth or whatever, but I personally haven't experienced that. I'm not sure where it originates, somewhere in Asia, but here in UK the price of Venus is about half that of Special Dentelles. http://www.venus-europe.com/about.php Brenda I am starting a piece of Torchon drawn by Genevieve Leplat-Greiner but she calls for a type of thread that I am not familiar with. [...] The thread is 2 little balls Venus If Venus is not available maybe there is a substitute you could suggest. Venus is a cotton thread. I've never seen, much less used it, so don't know what comes on a small ball. Brenda Paternoster's book (Threads for Lace) has three varieties of Venus thread listed: 1) Venus crochet cotton 70, which is a 6-ply (2S/3Z) cord and clocks at 27wraps per centimetre. Its equivalents are many, but the most common include: Fresia (linen) 70/2; Peellava (Finnish linen, used by Kortelahti) 90/3; Presencia Fica Bolillos (cotton) 30; Gutermann (silk) 100/3. DMC Cordonnet 70 is just *slightly* finer, at 28 wpc. 2) Venus Perle 8, 2S, 15wpc. Equivalents (again, many more than I'm listing): DMC Cordonnet 5; Coats Aida 10; Coats mercerised Crochet 10. Slightly finer (16wpc): Anchor pearl Cotton 8. 3) Venus Perle 12; 2S, 19wpc. Some equivalents: Fresia (linen) 30/2; Presencia Finca Bolillos 20; Tire (silk) Quilters 20. Slightly finer (20wpc): DMC Cebelia 30; DMC Cordonnet 30; Altin Basak (Turkish cotton, often used for tatting) 50. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Thread Identification
Brenda Paternoster a écrit : Little balls of Venus will mean the crochet cotton 70 - it comes wound in balls the same size as DMC Special Dentelles (tatting cotton). It's a little bit thicker than Special Dentelles but generally the two are interchangeable. Venus colours are brighter and more vivid than the DMC, but I have heard people say that the very brightest colours can sometimes rub off onto the cover cloth or whatever, but I personally haven't experienced that. I'm not sure where it originates, somewhere in Asia, but here in UK the price of Venus is about half that of Special Dentelles. http://www.venus-europe.com/about.php Brenda which might explain why DMC are on the verge of disappearing or being bought by another manufacturer . dont remember where i read that . dominique from Paris, France. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace
I went to England for some lace courses. Learned Bucks and Beds. Torchon I learned on my own and then went several more time to England to learn Honiton. Miriam in Israel You learnt Torchon AFTER Bucks and Beds? I was firmly told I had to learn Torchon before I could attempt any other lace type as the rest are based on Torchon! Perhaps my 'lace teacher' should have said 'I do Torchon, so can show you that' rather than the bald statement above :-( Not to worry, I am still learning Torchon after 3 years - yes, I have been making lace for 3 years now gasp Jenny Brandis Kununurra, Western Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.brandis.com.au - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] what did you do ...to learn bobbin lace
oh my - I don't think there is a basis to learning Torchon 'first' - it is a methodical, geometric lace full of surprises. I'm still learning it after a decade or so. The first BL lessons I took were in the Cluny style. I then embarked on a brief learning session with Honiton. I didn't know about the Torchon grid or point ground until much later. The only 'basis' of all the laces is cross and twist! On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 5:04 PM, Jenny Brandis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You learnt Torchon AFTER Bucks and Beds? I was firmly told I had to learn Torchon before I could attempt any other lace type as the rest are based on Torchon! Perhaps my 'lace teacher' should have said 'I do Torchon, so can show you that' rather than the bald statement above :-( Yes ;) Not to worry, I am still learning Torchon after 3 years - yes, I have been making lace for 3 years now gasp And still going from strength to strength :D -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace
Jenny Brandis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You learnt Torchon AFTER Bucks and Beds? I was firmly told I had to learn Torchon before I could attempt any other lace type as the rest are based on Torchon! In the US, it seems that torchon is generally considered a beginner's lace. This may be because some of the others Beds, Bucks, Honiton) are associated with the really fancy, old-time laces, or it may be because the few early books (70's) seemed to be mostly torchon. It's one of the few laces that's not named for a place of origin--I've heard it said the name refers to rags and it is therefore a mundane lace for household goods, not a fine lace for gowns, etc. It's also relatively easy to make your own patterns, since it can be designed on graph paper turned on point or used every other square. Unfortunately, all of this gives torchon a bad name. Many people believe one must start with torchon because beginning is all it's good for anyway. Many people look down their noses at the beginner's/mundane/easy/boring lace. Personally, I like torchon. While I love learning new lace styles, I also love the geometric designs of torchon. It's like Baroque music, very precise and orderly. Nobody will convince me that Bach is inferior to Stravinsky (different, yes, but both have their value) and nobody will convince me that torchon is inferior to Bucks. just my 2 cents, Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace
On May 3, 2008, at 21:17, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In the US, it seems that torchon is generally considered a beginner's lace. This may be because some of the others Beds, Bucks, Honiton) are associated with the really fancy, old-time laces, or it may be because the few early books (70's) seemed to be mostly torchon. Also, Torchon is, usually, made in coarser threads. Makes it easier to see what's happening, when everything it new and frightening and 10 pairs look like a *whole lot* :) And it does teach you just about everything you need to know, technique-wise (basic stitches, tensioning, idea of ground vs motif etc). It's a much better springboard for other laces than, say, Russian Tape (which is also, usually, made in coarse thread) would be. (Torchon) is like Baroque music, very precise and orderly. Nah; *Flanders* is like Baroque music :) Very precise, very orderly, but nothing simple about it... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] what did you ...Torchon
I hope that this concept is one day put to rest. True, a 'torchon' in French, is a rag, but it is a rag that you twist (to get the water out) = torsion. Twist/torsion/Torchon. I don't see anything raggedy about Torchon lace :p Torchon can be made in fine, fine thread, or coarse thread, and still maintains its qualities. Oh and I've been guilty of saying that Torchon is a place in France, to a non-lacemaker, because it was the simplest explanation at the time :S As Robin points out, it is not mundane or boring - at least, let's say it doesn't have to be, and not necessarily easy. Yes, Torchon lace is music to the eyes! On Sat, May 3, 2008 at 6:17 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . It's one of the few laces that's not named for a place of origin--I've heard it said the name refers to rags and it is therefore a mundane lace for household goods, not a fine lace for gowns, etc. Unfortunately, all of this gives torchon a bad name. Many people believe one must start with torchon because beginning is all it's good for anyway. Many people look down their noses at the beginner's/mundane/easy/boring lace. Personally, I like torchon. While I love learning new lace styles, I also love the geometric designs of torchon. -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace
That brings back memories, Tamara: Tamara's still on Flanders Her progress is just rotten And tatting in her pocket Is definitely forgotten Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] Nah; *Flanders* is like Baroque music :) Very precise, very orderly, but nothing simple about it... Tamara P Duvall - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] what did you do before bobbin lace
On May 3, 2008, at 22:58, Noelene Lafferty wrote: That brings back memories, Tamara: Tamara's still on Flanders Her progress is just rotten And tatting in her pocket Is definitely forgotten Yeah... My Battles of Flanders were something else, no? Truly mock-heroic... All bean and pea soups with no ham bone in sight... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Music for the Eyes
Yes, Torchon lace is music to the eyes! Lace - ( all, or most, anyway -) is music to the eyes. What a nice sentiment. I Like that!! Regards from Liz in Melbourne [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 162 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Rosalibre
Better late than never, I hope... About 2 weeks ago, someone (Sue Duckles?) asked about Rosalibre. I had some photos but not enough 'puter know-how, and couldn't upload them to my website. My message -- containing the best shots, 15MB worth of photos -- to my son (who's got the long-distance keys to the website) disappeared in the ether-hole twice. Then, life intervened and I didn't pursue the issue for a while... The person who'd asked originally has, since, got one of Cathleen's books on the subject, so I'm But, finally, the Rosalibre photo gallery is up. Most of the work -- with two exceptions -- is mine. The designs... Most are either mine or Cathleen Belleville's (modified or not). But there are also two -- one by Robin Panza and one by Jeanette Fischer -- which use the same basic techniques yet differently. The person who'd asked originally has, since, got one of Cathleen's books on the subject, so I'm a bit after the mustard with this. OTOH, someone else might want to know one day what RL looks like. And, even for the original asker, this might supply some ideas of what can be done, once one has worked trough the book. The URL is in my signature. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Summer's Here!!!
Evening fellow Spiders I do love it when I can tell that summer is on it's way!! We have spent all day in the garden in an attempt to tame the brambles (blackberries) that invade the far end of our garden every year. We didn't get them cut back last year due to the volume of rain! So, they were 3/4 of the way across this year (the garden is only 20 feet wide, but almost 300 feet long!! and the far end has fruit trees in it, and a German Oak, grown from an acorn found in the Black Forest! We have just removed the lower branches from it, as it was too low to replace the fence... Anyway, back to today... we had just stopped for a well earned cuppa, when I looked up and saw (and heard) the first of the house martins arriving! A sure sign that the warmer weather is on it's way!!! Makes me think of hot summer days, sitting in the sunshine, lace pillow on the table, glass of wine not much lace done!! Have now to scan lot's of photo's in for my MIL's relatives in Germany they have old ones she lost when they fled from the Russians during the 2nd world war (her dad had taken german nationality when he married her mum) Anyway, Summers Arriving!! Chat soon Sue in East Yorkshire To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] trying to get in touch with someone
Hello all, I'm trying to make contact with Laura Hooks of Orlando Florida, (not been getting any replies), I'm not sure if she is on arachne, but if anyone knows her perhaps they can put us in touch. many thanks Nicky in Suffolk To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
