Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
Zelie Martin was the mother of nine children, four of whom died in infancy. In addition to dealing with the death of her children, she had to cope with a great deal of financial stress, family illness, and so on. She entered a lacemaking school in Alencon as a young adult and in 1851 went into business for herself. She ran that business for seven years before she married and continued to help support her family with her lacemaking income until her death. By the end of her life she had a shop and several lacemakers working for her. She died in 1877 of breast cancer. I'm looking around to see if examples of her own lace are extant and on display somewhere. That is a very capsulized version of her life. Several of her daughters became Carmelite nuns, including Therese, who later was canonized and is a much-loved saint in many parts of the world. I don't know what else to add, really. Sr Claire On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 5:48 AM, Janis Savage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, In our yesterday's newspaper, was an article as follows. Lisieux - The parents of a Catholic Saint were beatified in France yesterday at a ceremoney attended by more than 10,000 believers. Louis and Zelie Martin, parents of St. Therese of Lisieux, are said to have miraculous powers to heal children. They are held up as true models for modern-day families. Louis died in 1894 and Zelie, a lacemaker, died in 1877. Does anyone know more about this lacemaking saint? Lace greetings from Janis Savage in Honeydew, Johannesburg, where we are appreciating the first rains of summer when the dust settles and all the countryside suddenly turns green. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Fwd: lace exhibition (in South Africa)
A while ago I helped Janis Savage and her friend Kim Lieberman work out a grid for Kim's lace sculpture project and I have just received this message from Janis. Hello Brenda, The exhibition of lace, for which you helped me work out the grid, is finally on show. You can see the article written for the Mail Guardian newspaper here http://www.mg.co.za/article/2008-10-18-extreme-craft-meets-art and another picture here http://www.mg.co.za/section/arts When the process of making bobbin lace was explained to her, thejournalist, Andrea Vinassa, coined the phrase extreme craft to describe lacemaking. which is probably quite apt to compare lacemakers with extreme sportspeople who obsessively take their sport to ever greater extremes and are cosidered a bit crazy to keep on doing it. I made 8 of the chaotic ground circles and when it just got too boring doing the same pattern over and over again, I arranged for a group of lacemakers to do another 9 while Kim did one. She will send you a catalogue of the exhibition in due course. The artworld here are apparently blown away by the works but I will be interested to see if any of them are sold. When I looked at the prices quoted for them and got my breath back, I think, as lacemakers, we must be considerable undervaluing our work - one of these bronze figures with it's lace collar is R36,000 + VAT!!! That works out at about $3500 + tax or GBP 2500, even at today's poor exhange rate of the SA Rand. Thanks for your help anyway. Greetings from Janis Savage South Africa Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
Try this link: http://www.sttherese.com/Parents.html Here's a quote from the piece about Selie Martin:- she had a tremendous enthusiasm for life and was a highly skilled lace maker and an astute business woman; yet her sights were firmly set on Heaven. She was a great letter writer, and her many letters give insight into her character. She comes across as a vivacious and witty woman who is not only deeply perceptive, but also critical of the society in which she lived and, by her own admission, impatient. Sounds like whe would have been an Arachne member, had she been around now! Linda Walton, in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K., where it's a beautifully clear, calm Autumn morning, with the leaves just beginning to turn, and yesterday's storm is all forgotten. Janis Savage wrote: Hello all, In our yesterday's newspaper, was an article as follows. Lisieux - The parents of a Catholic Saint were beatified in France yesterday at a ceremoney attended by more than 10,000 believers. Louis and Zelie Martin, parents of St. Therese of Lisieux, are said to have miraculous powers to heal children. They are held up as true models for modern-day families. Louis died in 1894 and Zelie, a lacemaker, died in 1877. Does anyone know more about this lacemaking saint? Lace greetings from Janis Savage in Honeydew, Johannesburg, where we are appreciating the first rains of summer when the dust settles and all the countryside suddenly turns green. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.173 / Virus Database: 270.8.2/1735 - Release Date: 10/20/2008 2:52 PM - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
I haven't yet found out if any of Zelie's lace is still to be seen, but I was flabbergasted by this site about point d'alencon http://www.honfleur-magazine.fr/info-villes/actualite-regionale/30-06-2008/orne-la-dentelle-du-grand-art-et-toute-une-maitrise.html, which says, among other things, that a square centimeter of lace represented eight hours of work! Sr. Claire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Lacemaking saint?
On 21 Oct 2008, at 8:39, Sister Claire wrote: among other things, that a square centimeter of lace represented eight hours of work! Isn't it amazing? And the Sisters at the convent in Argentan, who still make needle lace, told me that Argentan takes even longer to make than Alencon. Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada Visit the Seaspray Guild of Lacemakers web site: http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/quinbot - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
I have always thought that St Catherine was the patron saint of lacemakers? Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 20/10/2008 07:25 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
Andrew is a patron of lacemaking, too. The thing about patron saints is that it is not doctrine and anyone can make any saint patron of anything. I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because we have a couple of things in common besides lacemaking. sr. Claire On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 3:54 PM, Shere'e [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The list that I have from the Saint's index is : laceworkers, lacemakers: Anne Crispian Crispin Elizabeth of Hungary Francis of Assisi John Regis Luke the Apostle Sebastian Teresa of Avila I am currently doing an project in Opus Anglicanum of all of these saints in a wall hanging for my workroom. Shere'e Seattle, WA USA -Original Message- From: Sue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31 AM To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e' Cc: 'Janis Savage'; 'arachne.com' Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint? I have always thought that St Catherine was the patron saint of lacemakers? Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
Hi All, As well as those on the list, maybe St Andrew should be added!He is the patron saint of netters, which could be loosely allied to lacemaking.His day is November 30th, just after St Catherine's day - Nov 25th. (Although I was Anglican for the whole of my life, I converted to being a Roman Catholic on St Catherine's Day in 2001 - the priest suggested I take thename 'Catherine' ... All best wishes, Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - The list that I have from the Saint's index is : laceworkers, lacemakers: Anne Crispian Crispin Elizabeth of Hungary Francis of Assisi John Regis Luke the Apostle Sebastian Teresa of Avila - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] info needed on B. C. lace groups
I'm trying to find the schedule of the next events for the British Columbia lace groups. Is there anyone on line that knows? Or knows where it might be listed? With the IOLI site down I don't know where to look next. Thanks, Alice in Oregon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
Dear Lacemakers, There are so many occupations in so many nations, that probably some have few (or no) Patron Saints. Isn't it wonderful that lacemakers have so many clearly defined Patron Saints! We've written about St. Catherine of Alexandria on Arachne before, and you can research on Google and other search sites. The following is for our Newbies: My favorite cookbook, though I do not cook or bake, is Cattern Cakes and Lace - A Calendar of Feasts by Julia Jones and Barbara Deer, 1987, ISBN 0-86318-252-6. It is beautifully illustrated with old laces, old lace tools, flowers, old pictures. Love book so much, I have two copies - one in the kitchen (where it can be quickly found) and one on the library shelves. November 15th is St. Catherine's Day, so the calendar in the book starts then, and ends November 24th. The first recipe is Cattern Cakes (named after St. Catherine), On the cover of every issue of Lace published by The Lace Guild in England, there is a depiction of what appears to be a Catherine Wheel (a tribute to her?), which was the device on which she was tortured to death during the rule of Emperor Maxentius in 310 A.D. (This day has also been chosen to honor Queen Katherine of Aragon, a patron of local lacemakers in England.) Are there any other books about Saints who were lacemakers' patrons - in English language? I mean books that have an emphasis on a historical lace connection, not religious books. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew is a patron of lacemaking, too. The thing about patron saints is that it is not doctrine and anyone can make any saint patron of anything. I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because we have a couple of things in common besides lacemaking. sr. Claire -Original Message- From: Sue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31 AM To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e' Cc: 'Janis Savage'; 'arachne.com' Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint? I have always thought that St Catherine was the patron saint of lacemakers? Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
From Thomas Wright's Romance of the Lace Pillow: 'Catterns was observed chiefly in north Northants and Beds; in the greater part of lace-land, however, the principal holiday was Tanders (St Andrew's Day) November 30th.' Diana in Northants - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: lace@arachne.com Sent: Tuesday, October 21, 2008 6:56 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint? Dear Lacemakers, There are so many occupations in so many nations, that probably some have few (or no) Patron Saints. Isn't it wonderful that lacemakers have so many clearly defined Patron Saints! We've written about St. Catherine of Alexandria on Arachne before, and you can research on Google and other search sites. The following is for our Newbies: My favorite cookbook, though I do not cook or bake, is Cattern Cakes and Lace - A Calendar of Feasts by Julia Jones and Barbara Deer, 1987, ISBN 0-86318-252-6. It is beautifully illustrated with old laces, old lace tools, flowers, old pictures. Love book so much, I have two copies - one in the kitchen (where it can be quickly found) and one on the library shelves. November 15th is St. Catherine's Day, so the calendar in the book starts then, and ends November 24th. The first recipe is Cattern Cakes (named after St. Catherine), On the cover of every issue of Lace published by The Lace Guild in England, there is a depiction of what appears to be a Catherine Wheel (a tribute to her?), which was the device on which she was tortured to death during the rule of Emperor Maxentius in 310 A.D. (This day has also been chosen to honor Queen Katherine of Aragon, a patron of local lacemakers in England.) Are there any other books about Saints who were lacemakers' patrons - in English language? I mean books that have an emphasis on a historical lace connection, not religious books. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew is a patron of lacemaking, too. The thing about patron saints is that it is not doctrine and anyone can make any saint patron of anything. I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because we have a couple of things in common besides lacemaking. sr. Claire -Original Message- From: Sue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31 AM To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e' Cc: 'Janis Savage'; 'arachne.com' Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint? I have always thought that St Catherine was the patron saint of lacemakers? Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace for its own sake
And your point would be? Sr Claire On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 9:42 PM, Debora Lustgarten [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Dear Arachneans and my few close friends among you, I choose not to relate a pleasurable craft with nailed, burnt, or otherwise tortured people, all for the sake of superstitions from whichever side of the religious coin we may look. My lace is meant to be a hobby, free from politics, religion and the other base human follies, and that's hard enough as it is... Debora Lustgarten Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? Douglas Adams - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lace for its own sake
With all due respect, Debora, I don't understand what you are trying to say. I believe that you stated your feelings clearly, but are you suggesting that the list not talk about the history that is associated with lace? It is certainly a valid subject for discussion on the list, and those postings that relate to the Saints have been clearly marked so that you could simply skip them if you find them offensive. There are often threads that don't interest me, for one reason or another, so that's what I do. This list has members from literally all over the world, and so it would be very unusual indeed if we all agreed on everything. But I believe that the discussion, to this point, has been about the various saints who were (and to a certain extent, still are...) associated with lacemaking. This is part of lace history (which, by the way, has not always been pretty!). No one has launched into theological discussions. Clay Debora Lustgarten wrote: Dear Arachneans and my few close friends among you, I choose not to relate a pleasurable craft with nailed, burnt, or otherwise tortured people, all for the sake of superstitions from whichever side of the religious coin we may look. My lace is meant to be a hobby, free from politics, religion and the other base human follies, and that's hard enough as it is... Debora Lustgarten Isn't it enough to see that a garden is beautiful without having to believe that there are fairies at the bottom of it too? Douglas Adams - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint?
Yes, we do make cattern cakes for St Catherine on November 25th and very tasty they are too. Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.8.1/1734 - Release Date: 20/10/2008 07:25 - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] LLL website
Please make a note that the Land of Lincoln have removed their website, it having served the purpose of promoting the IOLI convention this year. If you know of anyone who has a link to the site, please ask them to remove it. Thanks, Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.com - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Lacemaking saint? St. Catherine's Correction
Dear Clay, Oops! You are right. The book starts with November 25th. My mind was elsewhere as I wrote (an unsuccessful attempt to multi-task). Must focus more. Apologies to all. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 10/21/2008 3:31:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oops... a typo... Jeri meant, of course, November 25 is St. Catherine's day, and the day that the book starts with! It is a fun book. I've not made any of the recipes, but I do refer to it to compare dates and traditions between US and UK. Clay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Lacemakers, There are so many occupations in so many nations, that probably some have few (or no) Patron Saints. Isn't it wonderful that lacemakers have so many clearly defined Patron Saints! We've written about St. Catherine of Alexandria on Arachne before, and you can research on Google and other search sites. The following is for our Newbies: My favorite cookbook, though I do not cook or bake, is Cattern Cakes and Lace - A Calendar of Feasts by Julia Jones and Barbara Deer, 1987, ISBN 0-86318-252-6. It is beautifully illustrated with old laces, old lace tools, flowers, old pictures. Love book so much, I have two copies - one in the kitchen (where it can be quickly found) and one on the library shelves. November 25th is St. Catherine's Day, so the calendar in the book starts then, and ends November 24th. The first recipe is Cattern Cakes (named after St. Catherine), On the cover of every issue of Lace published by The Lace Guild in England, there is a depiction of what appears to be a Catherine Wheel (a tribute to her?), which was the device on which she was tortured to death during the rule of Emperor Maxentius in 310 A.D. (This day has also been chosen to honor Queen Katherine of Aragon, a patron of local lacemakers in England.) Are there any other books about Saints who were lacemakers' patrons - in English language? I mean books that have an emphasis on a historical lace connection, not religious books. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center In a message dated 10/21/2008 9:59:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Andrew is a patron of lacemaking, too. The thing about patron saints is that it is not doctrine and anyone can make any saint patron of anything. I chose Zélie Martin as the patron for my lacemaking because we have a couple of things in common besides lacemaking. sr. Claire -Original Message- From: Sue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 11:31 AM To: 'Sister Claire'; 'Shere'e' Cc: 'Janis Savage'; 'arachne.com' Subject: RE: [lace] Lacemaking saint? I have always thought that St Catherine was the patron saint of lacemakers? Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] **New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out (http://local.mapquest.com/?ncid=emlcntnew0002) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] picture requests
Wow, thank you again. I now have some nice Venetians. Brian and Jean from Cooranbong, Australia -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.5 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 3586 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] What is worsted Lace please
Judging from this website: http://wmboothdraper.com/TapeLace/tapelace.htm it seems to be a kind of twill tape with a chevron pattern, used for binding the edges of uniforms, etc. It doesn't seem to be something worth strutting about, and certainly isn't what we would call lace. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) I have found a reference to a footman ...strutting in worsted lace.. Have you any idea what that might be? I do not have any other information to add to it except perhaps an approximate date. Brian and Jean from Cooranbong, Australia - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
