Re: [lace] Re: Mysteries of lace origin -- another long one
Hi Tamara and All, as far as I know , today the word bindella (pl. bindelle) , among other non textile related meanings, indicates both the narrow tape of cotton fabric used to make the tailor's rule and the rule itself. It is woven , not cut from a larger piece of fabric so as the edges are smooth. Then it is waxed or plastified. Usually, people call it metro da sarto, which is tailor's rule , dressmaker's rule or call it metro a nastro which is tape rule. But I think Bindelle in the Le Pompe book is referred to bobbin lace tapes. Bindelle and Cordelle were two kinds of passamenterie used to embellish clothes and home decor. Kind Regards Tiziana Taranto (Italy) 2009/1/24 Tamara P Duvall t...@rockbridge.net The frontspieces of both Le Pompe books -- which, definitely, show lace as we understand it today -- speak of Cordelle (Titziana... What's Bindelle?). The Nüw Modelbuch -- another bobbin lace pattern book of 16thc -- straddles both and says Däntelschnur (teeth-cord or teeth-string)... - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lace for a wedding gift
Hello Sr Claire If they are not doily people I'd suggest that lace trimmed pillow cases aren't suitable either as they would need more care with laundering than plain ones. Bookmarks only if they are avid readers, otherwise they might just end up lost between the pages somewhere. A framed medallion sounds good though. Do you do any lace designing? Something with their initials and the marriage date worked into it? Brenda I'm out of the loop with regard to wedding presents at all, and I haven't been to the US for 25 years so I want to check on what would be an appropriate lace gift. Some ideas I've had are a pair of lace-trimmed pillow cases, a framed lace medallion, his and hers bookmarks. They don't strike me as doily people. Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lace for a wedding gift
My personal suggestion is to find an 8 x 10 picture frame. Find a nice lace edging that you can do. Make the edging to fit inside the frame and take a photo of them at their wedding and mount that in the frame inside the lace edging. Everyone will get photos of their wedding but I bet no one else will mount it in hand made lace. If it's under glass the edging won't need special attention. If you can actually attend the wedding you personally can take the photo (even more personal) and if it's digital you can have it printed up right away at a local drug store and mount it the same day (or the day after) and give it to them. Have a lovely time. How nice that they found each other. bobbi On Sat, 24 Jan 2009 09:16:21 +0200 Sister Claire quietasa...@gmail.com writes: A couple I don't know very well, but for whom I'd like to do something special, are getting married. Second time for both; he's around 60 and she's in her mid-forties. They live on a farm in the northeastern US. He's American; she's a British transplant. All that background isn't chat, really! I'm out of the loop with regard to wedding presents at all, and I haven't been to the US for 25 years so I want to check on what would be an appropriate lace gift. Some ideas I've had are a pair of lace-trimmed pillow cases, a framed lace medallion, his and hers bookmarks. They don't strike me as doily people. May I have some input please on these ideas or maybe some others? I don't want to invest tons of time, but I do want to make a special gesture. (I work in Torchon and Canty.) Thanks! Sr. Claire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com ~*~ Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and taste good with ketchup. Let great B to B marketing solutions propel your brand to new heights! Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3BQxmqRH0SG4Y00wHifLfxWNm7q865tbT93isGPG6dt8Bsd/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Quote of bobbin lace in 1476
Hello All, following the thread about origin/history of bobbin and needle lace I think it could be interesting to mention a quote of bobbin lace in 1476. In the book Isabella , Beatrice e Alfonso d' Este written by Luigi Gandini ( not sure about the date of publication, I believe is around the end of 19th century) there is a quote from an inventory of 1476 when Eleonora D' Aragona , duchess of Ferrara, ordered to some of her dames to make cordella with piombini the name of the precursors of the fuselli (bobbins). Please, forgive me if this has been already mentioned and I didn't notice it. Kind Regards Tiziana Taranto (Italy) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Mysteries of lace origin
In message 55b164cad7f1b8b8528cf363acf71...@rockbridge.net, Tamara P Duvall t...@rockbridge.net writes About 1469, they are described and quoted bobbin and needle lace on an inventory ordered for the wedding of Isabel I Castilla and Fernando I Aragón also known as The Catholics. When this thread started I wondered about whether Spain was in fact earlier, particularly with recent TV programmes (may have been a Time Team special) talking about the cultural aspects of the Moors that were kept, even if Isabel and Fernando did their best to rid the country of the people. I also seem to remember somewhere reading about mantillas being worn in this period - and Catherine wearing them when she came to England. Were the early mantillas lace? Le Pompe is middle of 16th century (second edition of the first book was published in 1559. Can't remember the date of the first edition). Also consider when printing of books came in. If the printing process was still fairly new, it would be used for important texts that were considered by The Church to be appropriate (think of the problems Galileo etc had with them!) for the masses to read, not lace pattern books to the extent that we now have, say, knitting patterns available. The lacemakers then were not rich, and probably couldn't read, so why make books available? -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Beds Lace on Ebay
Dear Friends, this nice cloth looks like Bedfordshire Lace to me 300288500627 David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lace for a wedding gift
Sr. Clair, I had the same problem a couple of years ago. I did an edging that I put in a nice picture frame (8x 10) that they later used for a picture of the couple in their wedding finery. They were in their mid 70's at the time. Mary In very cold Michigan In a message dated 1/24/2009 2:16:56 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, quietasa...@gmail.com writes: A couple I don't know very well, but for whom I'd like to do something special, are getting married. Second time for both; he's around 60 and she's in her mid-forties. They live on a farm in the northeastern US. He's American; she's a British transplant. All that background isn't chat, really! I'm out of the loop with regard to wedding presents at all, and I haven't been to the US for 25 years so I want to check on what would be an appropriate lace gift. Some ideas I've had are a pair of lace-trimmed pillow cases, a framed lace medallion, his and hers bookmarks. They don't strike me as doily people. May I have some input please on these ideas or maybe some others? I don't want to invest tons of time, but I do want to make a special gesture. (I work in Torchon and Cantù.) Thanks! Sr. Claire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com **From Wall Street to Main Street and everywhere in between, stay up-to-date with the latest news. (http://aol.com?ncid=emlcntaolcom0023) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] lace for a wedding gift
You wouldn't even need to supply the picture - but leave it up to them to choose their favourite. It might be good if the colour of the lace reflected those in the wedding ceremony. Maybe the bride isn't wearing white, as it's their second weddings Sue - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Morris Dancing: Life with Bells On
Hi Liz (and everyone) Don't know where this thread started (maybe it was on Chat, but I only subscribe to the digests and don't always read them) but as well as making lace I also belong to a group of morris dancers. We are an all ladies group that dance traditional North West Clog Morris. Are there any other morris dancing lace makers out there? What style do you dance? There is a group in Bedford, UK called Bedfordshire Lace and they decorate their kit with lace (albeit machine made). I beleive one or two of their members are also lace makers. from Andrea Lamble Cambridge, UK. From: lizl...@bigpond.com To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Morris Dancing: Life with Bells On Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 17:02:20 +1100 There is at least one group of Morris Dancers here in Melbourne, Oz. I remember one group, in England named, I think, the Luton Hatters!! It is Very energetic dancing, - the film does not show this up. The staves - if not used properly can really damage a finger or hand, as they whack them together Very hard!! It is fun with all the bells tinkling, and the music. Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz. lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.9 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 297 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com _ Check out the new and improved services from Windows Live. Learn more! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Mysteries of lace origin
I have just finished reading the book Cathedral of the Sea by Ildefonso Falcones. The story takes place in the 14th century in Spain. In one of the chapters the author tells us about the lovely laces imported from Flanders. Now, I don't know if the author researched this subject, but I have a feeling that this part of the story wasn't quite accurate. I wish I had marked the page so I could quote but it never occurred to me that this subject would come up. I'm not going to reread the book although I enjoyed it very much. Miriam in Israel, where we are still waiting for a drop of rain. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Beds Lace on Ebay
I would be concerned with the freshly laundered and lightly starched (as described) condition of this vintage cloth if I were to be bidding. Is this seller, whose screen name includes quilter qualified to properly launder vintage linen? Happy Lacemaking,Betty Ann in Roanoke, Virginia USA Jan 24, 2009 08:30:49 AM, d.collye...@aapt.net.au wrote: Dear Friends, this nice cloth looks like Bedfordshire Lace to me 300288500627 David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Re: Obama dress - lace-digest V2008 #285
Hi All, Referencing the question regarding the bookmarks and if Mrs. Obama had seen them: I thought the description included that the bookmarks would be presented in France on the Day of the Inaguration, and then were being sent to the US after that presentation I got that from the materials on the Retournac webpage Copied here: On Tuesday 20th of January 2009, day of the investiture an swearing-in of the president Barak Obama, the lace bookmarks will be presented in the château of Chavaniac-Lafayette by Pierre Astor, Mayor and general Coucillor for Retournac. The bookmarks will then leave for the United States, where an official delegation including two nhabitants from the Haute-Loire, Mr and Mrs Issartel, who won a competition which had been organized by « L'éveil » from the Haute-Loire. Susie Susie Johnson, lacemaker Member L.A.C.E., I.O.L.I., Arachne List Morris, Illinois cjohnson0...@comcast.net http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org http://home.comcast.net/~cjohnson0969/home.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Beds Lace on Ebay
It is Beds general style, but too large a scale if the cloth is 45 wide. It is most likely a lace from the same family, generally known as Cluny laceand probably not made in England (even though from an English estate). Lots of this type of linen came from Germany, France, or nearby areas. Combining bobbin lace edging and inserts with whitework embroidery was usual. I have several samples of this in my collection. What surprised me to see was the conversion of pounds to dollars on the bid. It has changed a lot since last summer when a pound was about two dollars. The bid price right now is still a good deal for a good condition cloth but it still has 3 days to go. Alice in Oregon -- where I'm going to attend a 100th birthday party later today. I made her a bookmark. She's still healthy and sees well. Jan 24, 2009 08:30:49 AM, d.collye...@aapt.net.au wrote: Dear Friends, this nice cloth looks like Bedfordshire Lace to me 300288500627 David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Quote of bobbin lace in 1476
Hi All, Nest time I speak to my friend Margaret, I will ask her what Anghared (Welsh name) her daughter is up to now. Margaret's heritage is Italian and her daughter went to Italy a number of years ago to catalogue the Lace collection of a prominent noblewoman, of the 1800s I think, for her PhD. Anghared did a Visual Arts Degree at Wollongong University and then did Honours on Lace History. Her lace adventure started with lessons for children given by Rosemary Shepherd at the Powerhouse Museum in Sydney. Rixon is their family name. Mary Carey Campbelltown, NSW, Australia Date: Sat, 24 Jan 2009 12:54:48 +0100 Subject: [lace] Quote of bobbin lace in 1476 From: tiziana...@gmail.com To: lace@arachne.com Hello All, following the thread about origin/history of bobbin and needle lace I think it could be interesting to mention a quote of bobbin lace in 1476. In the book Isabella , Beatrice e Alfonso d' Este written by Luigi Gandini ( not sure about the date of publication, I believe is around the end of 19th century) there is a quote from an inventory of 1476 when Eleonora D' Aragona , duchess of Ferrara, ordered to some of her dames to make cordella with piombini the name of the precursors of the fuselli (bobbins). Please, forgive me if this has been already mentioned and I didn't notice it. Kind Regards Tiziana Taranto (Italy) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com _ It's simple! Sell your car for just $40 - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Re: Mystery of Origins of BL
On Jan 24, 2009, at 16:36, margaret small wrote: the connections between the Royal families of the various countries might be a clue to the way knowledge of lace making spread from Spain or the Low Countries to Venice. e.g. was a royal daughter from either area married off to a royal in Venice? And therefore took her lace-embellished finery with her? Trouble is, Venice had to be different, always :) It was a Republic. Its top ruler was a doge. But, while doge may translate as duke, this was an elective office (no term limits, though. Till death do us part), not one which could be inherited. So, Venice's sons and daughters would have had very little value to the royals of the rest of Europe in buliding alliances through marriage. The book I'm reading doesn't say much about about the marriages (or women, for that matter) but, when marriages are mentioned, they always seem to be within the Venetian community or, at most, within the Veneto (Venetian posessions on Terrafirma). Not to foreigners. I have not yet, however, reached the Venice and the Dress of Foreigners chapter. There might be something there... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace-chat] Re: [lace] Morris Dancing: Life with Bells On
I remember seeing a Morris Dancing Festival on the Castle Keep area in Bedford. I am sure the Bedford Morris dancers did not have Lace in their name in those days! I only remember the Luton Hatters - as Luton was the Straw Hatr centre in those days. I have a vague idea they wore straw hats (?Boaters). It is a Long time since I lived in Bedford! But I remember the Morris Dancers dancing through the town (and visiting every Hostelry as they went!!) Lacemakers are such a diverse group of people, and it is amazing what they do in their spare time besides making Lace!! I expect there might be a few who dance. I know I am surprised, sometimes, at what other hobbies some of the Aussie lacemakers have! Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz lizl...@bigpond.com -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 5.9 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 298 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
