Re: [lace] quiet
Yes, we're here - I'd noticed the list was very quiet, assumed the Americans were still recovering from Thanksgiving! Thanks for the comments about Flanders - I asked for (and got) a book on Flanders (the French one, by Catherine Maze?, from Editions Dider Carpentier), but haven't started any yet. I too feel that most of the beginner's pieces are not very pretty, but binche is beautiful (if I ever get that far). Beth in a very rainy Cheshire, NW England Lorelei wrote: Heooo? Is anybody out there? I'm working on a Flanders piece I started about 5 years ago. I can't say I really like the way Flanders looks. The learning patterns especially are just plain ugly, but necessary. More advanced designs and many modern ones are very beautiful. I find it to be an absolutely necessary preparationg for Binche, which is why I started it. I really enjoy working the ground. And the easy parts that I've really mastered are fun. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lavender's blue
Sue Babbs I just tonight saw the photo of your piece Lavendar's Blue in the Arachne webshots album. That is a really pretty piece. Such an interesting idea. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders, Binche and Preparation
Once upon a time, I signed up for a Flanders/ Binche class with Anny Noben-Slegers. Lacking any preparation for either class, I imagined I would be exploring Flanders. I had a conversation with Anny that didn't seem that spectacular to me and she decided I should just try the Binche. So I did. The only real gaffe I made was to miss making the cross only connection to make the bolletjes really round. The pattern was pretty geometric (after all, enough is enough!) But it had that famous CTCT , CT ground (regularly irregular). So another skip in my lace history. I never really made Torchon and gave up on Beds until I took the Beginning of the End class with Ulrike. THEN I felt like I could actually finish a piece that didn't look like an eyesore. This little aside is to offer the opinion that the path you take through any series of laces depends a lot more on your needs than any given progression. After all, it is only modern hobby laceamkers that have ever in the history of lace even tried more than a few closely related types of lace. I think we should all take a bow for our interest and willingness to try enjoying a lot of different laces. Personally, my choices are mostly determined by what sings to me. Patty - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Fw: [lace] quiet
Here as well, but everything taking much longer somehow. Finishing off Lace Christmas pieces (then finding I need, 'just one more:-)'. Enjoying opening the advent calenders each morning so thank you everyone for those. We have been watching the rugby tornaments (and I get to make lace while they are on, unless I cant take my eyes off the screen:-)) I am being quite good in finishing off some projects that I didn't think looked nice enough, and finding they are not as bad as I thought. Butterfly for a friend and bauble designs for family and friends. I received a fabulous lace exchange, again, this year which is a piece of lace to sew around a glass bauble, so I put that together and it is hanging proudly waiting for the rest of our decorations to join it. I will add the picture to the folder later. Need to go and help cut meat, prepare the next batch of yogurt and other things. Sue T From: Lorelei To: Heooo? Is anybody out there? I'm working on a Flanders piece I started about 5 years ago. It is one that Vera Cockuyt calls the high bridge. In her book she has a round version, but no diagram. I thought I should probably work it, thinking it might be a good learning pattern. I acquired a diagram and the square pricking (which I like better). I used to think I was really smart. Not so much, I think now. Some day, if I live long enough, I'll be an expert. Without challenges life would be boring. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] quiet
Hi Beth... The main reason that teachers start you with Flanders is that the ground work is very different. I think that if you work a piece with the typical Flanders ground, and you can get to the point that the ground is something you can do without giving it much thought, it is perfectly alright to skip on to Binche... There are some wonderful Binche pieces out there waiting for you!! Clay Beth Marshall wrote: Yes, we're here - I'd noticed the list was very quiet, assumed the Americans were still recovering from Thanksgiving! Thanks for the comments about Flanders - I asked for (and got) a book on Flanders (the French one, by Catherine Maze?, from Editions Dider Carpentier), but haven't started any yet. I too feel that most of the beginner's pieces are not very pretty, but binche is beautiful (if I ever get that far). Beth in a very rainy Cheshire, NW England Lorelei wrote: Heooo? Is anybody out there? I'm working on a Flanders piece I started about 5 years ago. I can't say I really like the way Flanders looks. The learning patterns especially are just plain ugly, but necessary. More advanced designs and many modern ones are very beautiful. I find it to be an absolutely necessary preparationg for Binche, which is why I started it. I really enjoy working the ground. And the easy parts that I've really mastered are fun. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Think positive thoughts!!
Good morning, gentle spiders... I hope that she won't mind my telling the world, but I thought many of you would want to know that Anny Noben-Slegers is having eye surgery on December 8. She is hoping she will be able to see well enough to make lace again when it is over. So... let's all send lots of positive energy and thoughts her way on Tuesday! Clay - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Think positive thoughts!!
Let's also think positive thoughts (and to some of us, that means prayer as well) for Anny in the days leading up to the surgery as well. I think eye surgery is one of the most frightening possible surgeries, especially for lace-makers and beaders whose passion requires use of their eyes. She must be apprehensive to say the least. Nancy Connecticut, USA From: Clay Blackwell clayblackw...@comcast.net To: ARACHNE lace@arachne.com Sent: Thu, December 3, 2009 7:32:55 AM Subject: [lace] Think positive thoughts!! Good morning, gentle spiders... I hope that she won't mind my telling the world, but I thought many of you would want to know that Anny Noben-Slegers is having eye surgery on December 8. She is hoping she will be able to see well enough to make lace again when it is over. So... let's all send lots of positive energy and thoughts her way on Tuesday! Clay - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] positive thoughts
I had both cataracts removed last year, the second 3 months after the first and drove home after the op. Had to keep my head up for the first week ie no bending, but after that it was back to lace with my new glasses. Good luck Anny. Sheila in Sawbridgeworth where it is pouring. Thankful I live up the hill from the river. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] quiet
YES, I am but it's shortly before Christmas and I was away till the 26. of november and than some little things happened which send me to bed and my classes still are running and friends are coming and, and, and enough of reasons? or want you more? ;-))) Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] positive thoughts
Have you got webbed feet yet Sheila. It sounds a brilliant operation to have you back to your lace so quickly. Daphne in Norwich where it is getting dark and is dry as I speak. Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2009 14:17:52 + From: alan.d.br...@tesco.net To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] positive thoughts I had both cataracts removed last year, the second 3 months after the first and drove home after the op. Had to keep my head up for the first week ie no bending, but after that it was back to lace with my new glasses. Good luck Anny. Sheila in Sawbridgeworth where it is pouring. Thankful I live up the hill from the river. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Info from those in the UK!
Hi All, As lots of you know, as well as teaching adults in various classes, and one-to-one, all over the place, I also teach several groups of young children - aged from about seven years upwards - on a monthly basis, in their own homes. This week, after one of the lessons last Saturday, I received a phone call from one of the parents.The mother concerned had had a phone call from a friend, to say had she checked that I had been CRB checked, so she was phoning me to find out.Now - these checks are to find out whether people who come into contact with young children have not been guilty of any offences - sexual abuse/physical abuse etc - against young children or vulnerable adults. (For the record, I haven't!!) When these checks came in several years ago, I did enquire whether it was necessary for me to have the CRB certificate, but was told that, as I was going to the homes of the children, and there were always parents at home, it was not needed. However, it appears the regulations have been changed, and things may well now be different.I have checked with the police, and one of the policewomen said she thought I ought to have the certificate, whilst my solicitor - still checking into the positions - says he thinks it unnecessary. The policewoman, incidentally, said she had made sure the piano teacher, who comes to the house to teach her child, had been checked. However, my children's classes have now been postponed, pending some definite ruling as to what I should do!Did/do any of you other teachers of children, in the UK have similar difficulties, and if so, what was the outcome?The children love their lace classes, and they are so very keen, I don't want to give them up, and a couple of the mothers have said that the policy, with their children, could be 'Don't ask, don't tell!' but I don't want to be on the wrong side of the law, as you can all imagine. I will keep you all informed as to the outcome of my enquiries but, in the meantime, I'd like to know what you all think - but I hope this hasn't opened up a can of worms for all of us who teach children, in their own homes, for very little reward save that of knowing that we are passing on our love of lace-making. Carol - Suffolk UK 'Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day.' - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] CRB checks in the UK
Hi All I'm automatically CRB checked because of my church duties, but our church council has also been made aware that there may also be similar checks on people working with 'vulnerable adults' as well. How you define vulnerable I don't know, but this may impact people teaching lace to older people. I have to say that I don't think that this is necessarily a bad thing, UK lacemakers will recall the arrest of a nursery nurse for abusing children recently. On the plus side I believe that some time in the future people will only need one check to work with any organisation, and end the headache for people like my DD who runs a children's nursery and who has to wait for new members of staff to have a check done before allowing them to work alone with the children in her care. Alison in dark and damp Essex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] CRB checks in the UK
I too recall that case Alison and the lady had been CRB cleared! It proves that the CRB check only clears you to the date of the check and not more recently! Local authorities looking for school cleaners, dinner ladies, volunteers to help the children read in class, school crossing patrols and people working in the voluntary sector where they are dealing with vulnerable adults and/or children cannot start till they've been checked and that can take up to 6 months! Sue in EY On 3 Dec 2009, at 16:54, Gray, Alison J wrote: Hi All I'm automatically CRB checked because of my church duties, but our church council has also been made aware that there may also be similar checks on people working with 'vulnerable adults' as well. How you define vulnerable I don't know, but this may impact people teaching lace to older people. I have to say that I don't think that this is necessarily a bad thing, UK lacemakers will recall the arrest of a nursery nurse for abusing children recently. On the plus side I believe that some time in the future people will only need one check to work with any organisation, and end the headache for people like my DD who runs a children's nursery and who has to wait for new members of staff to have a check done before allowing them to work alone with the children in her care. Alison in dark and damp Essex - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Think positive thoughts!!
Me too send her positive thoughts and to Kathy as well. eyes are, in my opinion, the most important organ for human beings. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] lace photos
Clicking through the photos on the site below, I saw an old postcard photo of a lacemaker and it was entitled Lady Lacemaking With Her Bobbins in Runcorn circa 1880. I was not aware that lacemaking was going on in Cheshire. Does anyone know about lacemaking in that area? Maybe she was an hobby lacemaker like us. Janice Today I was surfing for fun and found a group on flickr called bobbin lace There are lots and lots of photos, and quite a few are of modern freeform art lace. http://www.flickr.com/photos/perignon/3501864990/in/pool-bobbinlace Lorelei Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders
Clay and other experts on continental laces I always thought that the reason Flanders is regarded as a necessary preliminary to Binche is the clothwork, not the ground. Flanders, Binche and Val all have similar ways of working the cloth parts, largely because of the two pairs entering at every pin problem. So I've been concentrating on Flanders learning pieces that will give me more experience solving these typical clothwork problems. What scares me about Binche is the wide expanses of cloth stitch with weird stuff happening inside the motifs. That is where I get lost. The grounds are easy. Even those ground/cloth junctions aren't really a problem. Every time I get lost it's when I fail to see which pair was supposed to be the weaver for that particular row. Or I get to the end of a row and find I have one more pair than I should, or one less. How did that get there? I'm getting better at it, but it is still a struggle. Oliver with the 18 fish hooks on his feet always comes and pokes me in the elbow when I'm right in the middle of figuring out where that pair was supposed to go. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Flanders
Although it no doubt makes me a figure of fun, I use a ghost pillow and put in a pin, not only at each of the pin holes, but frequently to mark when individual stitches have been worked. I am working on a piece of Old Flanders from Ulrike Lohr's class and there is absolutely no way I could do it without my ghost pillow. I often use regular size pins for non-confusing stitches, pins with big heads to mark where weavers have been left, also putting a hair clip on the weaver. Sometimes I put a big headed pin at the beginning and end of a row of cloth stitch. I use a big headed pin to trace back to where some pair I need is coming from, which frequently solves the working direction puzzle. When I stop, I put a very large decorative pin at the place where I should start up again. If there is an extremely critical waiting weaver that I am in fear of forgetting, I might put both a yellow big headed pin and a white big headed pin at that place, too. I realize this is pitiful and I never see other people doing it, but it works for me (most of the time). Devon In a message dated 12/3/2009 11:01:13 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, lhal...@bytemeusa.com writes: Clay and other experts on continental laces I always thought that the reason Flanders is regarded as a necessary preliminary to Binche is the clothwork, not the ground. Flanders, Binche and Val all have similar ways of working the cloth parts, largely because of the two pairs entering at every pin problem. So I've been concentrating on Flanders learning pieces that will give me more experience solving these typical clothwork problems. What scares me about Binche is the wide expanses of cloth stitch with weird stuff happening inside the motifs. That is where I get lost. The grounds are easy. Even those ground/cloth junctions aren't really a problem. Every time I get lost it's when I fail to see which pair was supposed to be the weaver for that particular row. Or I get to the end of a row and find I have one more pair than I should, or one less. How did that get there? I'm getting better at it, but it is still a struggle. Oliver with the 18 fish hooks on his feet always comes and pokes me in the elbow when I'm right in the middle of figuring out where that pair was supposed to go. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Flanders/Binche
Here is a personal viewpoint. Don't be afraid to try a different kind of lace. What one person claims is 'hard' goes along just fine for another person. People have been known to not try something because it's been labeled 'hard' by someone else. Keep an open mind. You are probably capable of doing more than you think you can. I admit to being a rogue. I have had two classes in Binche but never completed one in Flanders (yet). I started one and got sick, so missed almost all the classes and can't really count it. I have some interesting Flanders patterns that I would like to work, someday. I guess I will be mainly self taught on this lace.Videos and books will be the teachers. The diagram in Binche shows where every pair goes. It takes persistence to read the diagram and transfer that to the pricking. A copy of the diagram set up to put pins in to mark the progress is an effective method of staying on track. I have also put a copy of the diagram in a plastic sleeve and used stick-on arrows to mark my progress. Temporary pins are always permitted, and using colored headed pins is a neat idea. Binche has a different approach than most other laces. The thread pathways are less restricted, and can move any which way. That's why a diagram is a must...and is followed from the start to the finish. There's no way (that I have found) to always predict where a pair will go next. Maybe I just enjoy something that's not routine. I find Binche stimulating. And...Remember, you belong to Arachne. If you try something and get stuck, there's probably someone out here who can guide you around the problem. You have 1000 resources to draw upon. We are blessed with access to a world of laces instead of just the one or two that our mother made. Make the most of it. Alice in Oregon -- clear and very cold. An Arctic front is over us this week with possible snow soon. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] pins
Devon and Alice Your ideas about the ghost pillow or sticking pins into the diagram sounds like a good one. I should try that and maybe I won't get lost so often. I always keep the diagram just next to me on my worktable, but my eye doesn't always find the correct place. I just turned the corner and took all the pins out and repinned it (I'm using a roller pillow) and worked two rows. This whole side and half of the next and I'm done. Now I'm trying to decide what to work on next. Lorelei - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Admin: CRB
Dear spiders, CRB should really be moved to lace-chat. Best wishes, Avital Arachne moderator - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace-chat] Re: [lace] Info from those in the UK!
Quite. Sue in EY On 3 Dec 2009, at 17:05, laceandb...@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 03/12/2009 16:19:27 GMT Standard Time, nestalace.ca...@btopenworld.com writes: Now these checks are to find out whether people who come into contact with young children *have not been guilty of any offences* - sexual abuse/physical abuse etc. against young children or vulnerable adults. (For the record, I haven't!!) Now of course, that is the crux of the whole matter. The CRB checks will only pick up someone who has already been found guilty of offences against children. Most of the recent headline cases involve people who had their CRB clearance, because they had not previously been caught. It may be because you are teaching *groups*, which I read to mean that not all the children are in their own home with their own parents, but most other people that have anything at all to do with children seem to need them - except parents, siblings and relatives. And when children are abused, who are they most at risk from? Say no more. Jacquie in Lincolnshire To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com. Regards Sue. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
[lace-chat] CRB checks in the UK
There was a discussion about this on our local radio station recently, and it was pointed out that a CRB check is just like an MOT for a car - just because the car passed the test one day, doesn't mean there won't be something happen to make it fail the next day. Fortunately these checks didn't come into force until after I'd retired from teaching - not that I had any reason to fail the check, but it does get a bit silly when a local head teacher was told that parents coming into the school to make and put up Christmas decorations in the school during school hours would need to be checked even though they wouldn't be working with the children. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Aussie lifestyle
In a message dated 12/3/2009 1:59:59 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, ag...@weatherwax.karoo.co.uk writes: OK David, just one question and a remark: What is a wharfie? Oooh, Oooh, can I guess this one? I think it is someone who works on a wharf unloading ships comparable to our longshoreman which forms part of the popular simile at least in the US, Swearing like a longshoreman, or the less direct, using language that would make a longshoreman blush. But the more interesting question is whether your tomato sauce is our ketchup? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
[lace-chat] Re: Aussie lifestyle
A thong is not a piece of scanty swimwear, as in America , but a fine example of Australian footwear. Actually when growing up we always called that flat type of footwear thongs, aka flipflops. Didn't know it was called anything else. I still call them thongs instead of flipflops. But until the NOW generation I have to second think myself knowing what they term as a thong and I might get a funny look LOL!! Thanks, David, for the fun read. -- Mark, aka Tatman (living in USA still calling them thongs) website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tatmantats.wordpress.com etsy shop: http://tatman.etsy.com FB: http://www.facebook.com/tatmantats To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
Re: [lace-chat] Re: [lace] Info from those in the UK!
I would have thought that in the interim, if you explain the situation to the parents, if they are happy to still have you in their home, while they are present, then you are there as their guest. After all we don't have CRB checks done on our guest (perhaps some should be checked but that is a whole other story). I had to have the Cdn equivalent to be able to teach at the senior's centre. Malvary in Ottawa To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com.
