[lace] Fw: Re: Lace from Alsace
-Forwarded Message- >From: lynrbai...@desupernet.net >Sent: May 14, 2012 3:20 PM >To: Tatman >Subject: Re: Lace from Alsace > >Dear Mark et al, > One of the most fascinating aspects of lace is the fact that it doesn't > occur in a vacuum. History and economics and religion roll over it. It is > much more than just thread and holes and needles and bobbins. It is a part > of lives, a passion, which is manipulated by circumstances. I wonder if it > will now always be made without a real interest in the profit involved. That > has already changed who makes lace. From the lower class poor, to those who > are thinkers with enough leisure to spend the time making lace. > >Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where it's raining. But it was a >beautiful Mother's Day yesterday. > > >Tatman wrote: >>That is really interesting I love learning about culture and the people and >>events via our lace >>interests. I just like learning! >> >>Lyn wrote: >>> Exactly where your ancestors came from might prove important in this one. > >"My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, >please ignore it. I read your emails." "My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails." - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Re: Mirecourt
Lorelei, Thanks for the link and showing me examples. I like that the description mentions it is a part lace and considered the French version of Bruges Bloemwerk. I like working Bruges. So this is right up my alley! Whether or not this particular type was made in the 1830s, the general public I demonstrate to won't know unless they become too interested and I end up giving them a long history of what I am doing. Usually I stick to the basics of what lacemaking is. But some do ask for more details. That is when I get to have fun because their interest is piqued. -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TatmanBobbin On 5/13/12 3:10 AM, "Lorelei Halley" wrote: > Deborah Beever may know something about the history of lace from that area. > If you look at > http://laceioli.ning.com/group/mirecourt-bobbin-lacejust under the group's > icon is a box titled EXAMPLES. Click on the red words, which are links to > photos of the most recent type of "Mirecourt" lace. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Mirecourt
Hello Everybody: The little bit of text on the page in Antje's link says that the Mirecourt lace manufacture was started in the 16th century, but the book itself was based on a sample book from the end of the 19th century, found in someone's attic. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) On 2012-05-14, at 5:06 AM, AGlez wrote: > Hello all, > > There is also a book on this lace, called Dentelle de Mirecourt, from the > editorial Didier CARPENTIER, published in 2008, with beautiful patterns and > diagrams. Also a short introduction on history. As far as I understand (I > only read French, but don't speak it), it says lace in Mirecourt was > introduced in the 16th century by the dukes of Lorraine. > > In 1981 an association to promote the lace was created > > I think you can have a quick look to the book here: > http://www.ebookdz.com/forum/showthread.php?33172-Dentelle-de-Mirecourt-La-seconde-vie-d-un-cahier-de-dentelli%E8re-du-XIXe-si%E8cle > > Best wishes. > > > Antje > * - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Re: Lace from Alsace
WOW...wealth of information to mull over. Thanks Jeri for the jump start :) -- Mark, aka Tatman website: http://www.tat-man.net blog: http://tat-man.net/blog Magic Thread Shop: http://www.tat-man.net/tatterville/tatshop/tatshop.html Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/TatmanBobbin On 5/12/12 3:18 PM, "jeria...@aol.com" wrote: > In giving information from various sources, I am trying to illustrate how to > launch your own research (much as you would have done in high school and > college). Everyone has different resources at hand that can be used, starting > with a computer (try a search on Mirecourt Lace) and books in the lending > libraries of your lace guilds. Bibliographies in the books you find most > useful are a jumping off point to more detailed information. Unfortunately, > the Mirecourt book (paragraph 1 above) didn't have a bibliography. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Re: Lace from Alsace
Lyn, That is really interesting history and thanks for taking the time to tell it. I love learning about culture and the people and events via our lace interests. I just like learning! Mark, aka Tatman On 5/11/12 3:12 PM, "lynrbai...@desupernet.net" wrote: > Exactly where your ancestors came from might prove important in this one. I > was in Mirecourt, which, btw, has a book. That's Lorraine, and Lorraine was > surrounded by France at one time, with heavy tariffs. Since Lorraine grows > flax, the Duc de Lorraine began a lacemaking industry. Which one, I'm not > sure, but I suspect in the 1600's when lace was all the rage. I'm not sure > they actually developed a style of lace themselves, but produced what the > market demanded, borrowing perhaps from other areas. At least I think that's > what they said. The lace exhibit in Mirecourt in the summer is wonderful, as > they move to the upper floor of the medieval market, have large displays, and > patterns for sale, as well as a group making lace right there. I spoke to > them in French, so I've no idea if they speak English, but it was an amazing > visit. As for Alsace, my grandfather came from a tiny German village about 8 > miles east of Baden Baden, so I am somewhat familiar with the area. I've > visited my cousins there several times and am not aware of any lacemaking > tradition, certainly with my relatives, and they were so poor, the land being > rather bad in their village which is nestled in the Schwartzwald, and anywhere > they grow pine trees is bad farming land. If there had been a lacemaking > tradition they would have grabbed at is so the children didn't starve. Alsace > and an area east of the Rhine, possibly Wurtemburg or Baden, were once one > duchy, which might explain why Alsatian French is not known for its purity, > and neither is Schwabisch German. I suspect they sound more like each other > than standard French or Germans. Some Alsatians migrated to Cape Breton > Island in Nova Scotia, and I believe there was lacemaking there, but since the > French were the ones who lost the war in 1753? or thereabouts, they got the > short end of the stick economically and needed money, and so they make hooked > rugs for sale to tourists now, as well as finer products. > > Hope this helps. > > Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where I've just come in for a moment from > making lace among the roses with a pot of tea. Doesn't get much better than > that. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] Mirecourt
Hello all, There is also a book on this lace, called Dentelle de Mirecourt, from the editorial Didier CARPENTIER, published in 2008, with beautiful patterns and diagrams. Also a short introduction on history. As far as I understand (I only read French, but don't speak it), it says lace in Mirecourt was introduced in the 16th century by the dukes of Lorraine. In 1981 an association to promote the lace was created I think you can have a quick look to the book here: http://www.ebookdz.com/forum/showthread.php?33172-Dentelle-de-Mirecourt-La-seconde-vie-d-un-cahier-de-dentelli%E8re-du-XIXe-si%E8cle Best wishes. Antje * * *Photography is like life... you can change perspective by changing your point of view! * - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
