Re: [lace] re: Rosalibre comments
Robin says "but because the techniques are her invention, that's getting into infringeing on Cathy's intellectual property (morally, if not legally). I am not comfortable with that. No matter how much a few of us enjoy it, I'm afraid Cathy's "revolution" may be a quirky lace that fewer and fewer people bother with." However, Cathy quite clearly says in the front of the book in answer to the question "Can I teach others this lace?" "Yes, if you do so without distributing any patterns, descriptions or diagrams from this document. I hold the copyright on this material, but will not trademark the specifics of the technique." If another teacher has worked enough with Cathy or from the book to feel confident to teach the lace, then they will almost certainly have also done some of their own designs and made their own working notes and diagrams, and that is all that she is asking. After all the hard work she put in developing the techniques and writing the book, she would probably be pleased and interested to see it becoming a well known lace instead of fading into obscurity. Jacquie in Lincolnshire - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] re: Rosalibre comments
> >>Robin P. wrote: >>I have taught RL to each of the 3 lace groups to which I belong, because >>that's teaching friends. I was asked once to teach at a more formal workshop >>(the Winter Lace Conference), but because the techniques are her invention, >>that's getting into infringeing on Cathy's intellectual property (morally, if >>not legally). I am not comfortable with that. No matter how much a few of us >>enjoy it, I'm afraid Cathy's "revolution" may be a quirky lace that fewer and >>fewer people bother with. > >Dear Robin et al, >I am very glad I bought the book when I did. Haven't used it, but if you see >something you might like, you buy it NOW, so you can have the book in case it >is popular and it goes out of print. This book was published in something >like 2005, and 7 years later it's not easily found, out of print. >Here are the issues as I see them: >The only book on the subject is out of print. >Cathy wrote a whole page on using, teaching and copying her book, so clearly >at the time, she wanted to profit from her endeavor, and rightly so. Instead >of copying the pages, she suggested buying the book twice on that page. An >excellent idea, and really the only option while that is possible. That is no >longer possible, yet clearly there are people who want to learn this unique >lace. >On the other hand, she does suggest contacting her in the event someone wants >to sell more than 5 pieces of lace designed by her, She also mentions that if >you want to copy just a page or 2, or just one design and not buy the book, >contact her. >From comments on Arachne, it appears that Cathy has moved on. From the >website quoted in her book, it is very clear that this is a woman of >remarkable talent and capability, so it is sad for us that she has done so. >Cathy deserves the profit from her ideas and design. But with a book out of >print, that is not happening. >If Cathy is truly out of the ring, then she may not be aware of this >situation. > >It seems to me that the best solution to the whole problem is for someone to >contact Cathy, and find out about her intentions and desires concerning this >lace at this time. She may still be of the same mind. She may be planning to >reprint the book. She may not care, as she has moved on. Until her wishes >and desires are known, not much can be done. > >This also brings up the issue of a teacher not wanting to use the patterns >from a book which is not her own. Sometimes someone rethinks things, writes a >book which has designs that may work better than the traditional ones in that >particular kind of lace. Yet there are copyright problems. How difficult is >it to contact the author to copy a design in her book for a class, especially >a beginner class, where people may not want to invest a large sum in a book if >they find out they don't like making the lace, whereas some may find they do >after the class and then buy the book. Has anyone tried contacting an author >in order to use patterns to teach from? How difficult is it? What success did >you have? > >Lyn in Lancaster, Pennsylvania, USA, where the weather is a bit cool for this >time of year, high of 83F 25.5C, but it will be hotter by tomorrow. "My email sends out an automatic message. Arachne members, please ignore it. I read your emails." - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] re: Rosalibre comments
In message <11582901.1340810184709.javamail.r...@elwamui-darkeyed.atl.sa.earthlink.n et>, lynrbai...@desupernet.net writes Has anyone tried contacting an author in order to use patterns to teach from? How difficult is it? What success did you have? I have always used my own patterns for teaching. However, some twenty years ago, I was making lace bookmarks to sell at a fair to raise money for our local hospice, and contacted Christine Springett to ask permission to use her snake pattern for this purpose (I wonder how many teachers/demonstrators have asked her before using said pattern on beginner pillows?) - she wrote me a lovely letter in reply, giving permission. On the other side of the coin, some years ago I was contacted by an author who is a well known lace teacher, saying that she had been using one of my patterns, published in 'Lace' some years before, for teaching purposes, and had used that pattern as the basis of a chapter of her book which she was just about to start selling (ie it was already printed by then). This put me in a difficult situation because had I refused permission for its use, it would have cost her a considerable amount. It was the first feedback I had had that anyone had used the pattern in any way, and to some extent flattering, but not all designers see things that way. However, her methods of working my technique are not the simplest, and I have since had published, in 'Lace' and the 'Canadian Lacemaker Gazette', my way of working overlapping loopy gimp rings. -- Jane Partridge - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] the Queen's outfit with lace
Hi everyone, Queen Elizabeth's outfit for her visit to Northern Ireland has some sort of lace on it. I can't tell from the photos. Here is one: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/26/article-2164920-13CBDF7B05DC-131_306x423.jpg The blurb mentions "She wore a Wedgewood blue outfit and hat by Angela Kelly, which featured hand-embroidered white lace on the coat and dress." Perhaps this is another instance of machine-made trim, hand-sewn in place - but it looks very nice. -- Bev, Royal watching, in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] the Queen's outfit with lace
Hi Bev: I found a good enough closeup of the hat to see that the lace is probably Irish crochet. Sorry, I can't give you the URL - found it through a Google image search and when I tried to go to the underlying website for the image I got a different picture. If you go to the Google home page and click on the Images tab and type in Queen Elizabeth Northern Ireland, on my screen a closeup of the hat is the second image. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) On 2012-06-27, at 11:47 AM, Bev Walker wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Queen Elizabeth's outfit for her visit to Northern Ireland has some sort of > lace on it. I can't tell from the photos. Here is one: > http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/26/article-2164920-13CBDF7B05DC-131_306x423.jpg > > The blurb mentions "She wore a Wedgewood blue outfit and hat by Angela > Kelly, which featured hand-embroidered white lace on the coat and dress." > > Perhaps this is another instance of machine-made trim, hand-sewn in place - > but it looks very nice. > > -- > Bev, Royal watching, in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver > Island, west coast of Canada > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] Queen's Blue lace hat
http://i2.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article940892.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Queen+Elizabeth+II+leaves+a+Service+of+Thanksgiving+in+Saint+Macartin%27s+Cathedral+in+Enniskillen Here is a close up of the hat with trim. I'm 100% sure its machine made. It looks like a guipure trim that was bought by the yard (you can see how VERY repetitive it is), but it may (more likely) have been produced for this outfit. I wonder if the bits on the lower dress were panels that were fitted together for that look. I've done that a few times on dressed. I checked a couple of my fave lace suppliers and no matches, but a lot of similar. I do love that you can make out her hat pins. -- Flying is learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss. - Douglas Adams - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
[lace] the Queen's outfit with lace
I googled Queen Elizabeth Northern Ireland images and there was a closeup of the hat lower down the page which was a bit clearer. To me it looked like a machine made trim, probably hand sewn on. I also noticed she had two hat pins of the same color in the hat. I would really like to know what most of her outfits are made of as they never seem to crease. I have been watching the PBS documentary of the Royals at Work and she never ever has a crease from sitting down! Janice Bev wrote: Queen Elizabeth's outfit for her visit to Northern Ireland has some sort of lace on it. I can't tell from the photos. Here is one: http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/06/26/article-2164920-13CBDF7B05DC-131_306x423.jpg The blurb mentions "She wore a Wedgewood blue outfit and hat by Angela Kelly, which featured hand-embroidered white lace on the coat and dress." Perhaps this is another instance of machine-made trim, hand-sewn in place - but it looks very nice. Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
Re: [lace] the Queen's outfit with lace
I once worked with a Miss Perfect. She could sit at her desk all day long in a 100% silk dress, and when she got up there was nary a wrinkle on it. Some people just have wrinkle-free mojo. I think probably the Queen wears traditional wool, silk, linen, and cotton. I have been reading descriptions of royal dress ever since the Diana days, and I've never read anything but. (Mind you, they'd say that even if she were wearing polyester.) Plus, Her Majesty's clothes don't come off the rack, and clothes that fit properly develop fewer wrinkles. And better-quality fabrics develop fewer wrinkles. So I think she's just got a winning combination. (pun intended for people who know what combinations are) Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) > I would really like to know what most of her outfits are made of as they never > seem to crease. I have been watching the PBS documentary of the Royals at Work > and she never ever has a crease from sitting down! - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003/albums/most-recent
