[lace] binche challenge

[jo]

Hello Spiders

 

Some years ago I bravely started with the "Binche Compact" sampler. I
finally decided to finish it with a shortcut, dropping the last three edges.
That means changing the third last edge. It replaced the tension challenge
with a challenge to make ends meet. Details are depicted on my blog. Any
advice would be welcome.

https://kantelier.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/challenge/

 

Jo

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Re: [lace] Finnish lace

[Gon Homburg]

Hello Susan,

Simple patterns with not that many pairs are amongst others in her books "Uudet 
Nypläysmallit" and “Bobbin lace or Nyplättyä Pitsiä”
The first one is only in Finnish but the diagrams are clear. The second one is 
in Finnish and English. IN this one there is a beautiful edging for a 
christening gown.
Perhaps an idea to show also the books for recognizing the Finnish language?

Happy placing

Gon Homburg from a little bit grey Amsterdam, The Netherlands. But spring is in 
the air.



> Op 4 feb. 2017, om 04:02 heeft Susan  het volgende 
> geschreven:
> 
> Hello All!  Today I'm seeking advice to find a small, reasonably simple 
> pattern that is representative of traditional Finnish lace.  For this 
> project, I would like to borrow a book from the IOLI library.  If anyone is 
> familiar with the Kortelahti books or another Finnish resource, please share 
> your suggestions.  I need to make a sample of Finnish lace for one of our 
> library exhibits.  Hopefully, it will bring back fond memories for Finnish 
> Americans who are patrons of the library in this small Ohio town.  Many 
> thanks.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA
> 
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Re: [lace] Finnish lace

[Susan]

Thank you Gon--I will try your suggestions first!  It is very difficult to 
select from among several books when the contents are largely unknown to me.  
We are planning new labels for our exhibit pieces & will be sure to identify 
them in their native language, as well as in English.  Later this year, exhibit 
pictures will be posted to Flickr so stay tuned!  Thanks again for sharing your 
insight.  You & other Arachne members have been very generous with your 
suggestions, technical assistance & maps.  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA 

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> On Feb 4, 2017, at 8:47 AM, Gon Homburg  wrote:
> 
> Hello Susan,
> 
> Simple patterns with not that many pairs are amongst others in her books 
> "Uudet Nypläysmallit" and “Bobbin lace or Nyplättyä Pitsiä”

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Re: [lace] binche challenge

[Adele Shaak]

Wow, it was indeed brave of you, Jo, to start on this sampler!
Sorry I can’t help you with any sage advice, I’m not a genius at finishing
Binche. I’m looking forward to reading the advice you do get.

For everybody’s eye candy this morning, I found this picture of the binche
sampler (not Jo’s) on the Web:
https://hetcreatievekantje.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/binche-slagen-monster.
jpg


Searching the web for pictures of the sampler is a lot better if you
“Germanify” the spelling: binche kompakt gets you lots of photos.

Adele
In snowy West Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> Some years ago I bravely started with the "Binche Compact" sampler. I
> finally decided to finish it with a shortcut, dropping the last three
edges.
> That means changing the third last edge. It replaced the tension challenge
> with a challenge to make ends meet. Details are depicted on my blog. Any
> advice would be welcome.
>
> https://kantelier.wordpress.com/2017/02/03/challenge/

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[lace] Binche link

[Adele Shaak]

OK, in my last message the mail program put the .jpg ending on the next line,
so the links I gave don’t work.
Let’s try again: https://tinyurl.com/lu6ej8q 
for the binche kompakt sampler.

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[lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[Anita Hansen]

I saw Jo's post on her Binche sampler and comment about tension problems in
cloth areas because of no support pins.  I left a reply for her about how I
use them.  I decided I might as well "come out" here publicly and declare it
as well.  I use support pins in my cloth areas.  And I DON'T care what the
lace police think of it!  Years ago when I was first exploring how to work
this lovely lace I found that tip in just one book.  I won't reveal the
author, but if it's good enough for her it's good enough for me!  It may not
be "traditional" but neither is my use of the computer to copy and size my
prickings, or my Dazor magnifier lamp to see what I'm doing.  Using support
pins in those triangular areas of the working diagram where a worker drops
down and becomes a passive makes it possible for me to ENJOY making Binche
lace! Adding temporary plaits are too much trouble and a waste of time.
Besides I like to tug and pull my threads so a support pin is a must.  When my
lace is finished and off the pillows I use another pin to gently nudge closed
any holes left by the pins.  You can't tell they were there.


Making no apologies for using support pins,

Anita Hansen

Cedar Rapids, Iowa

Doris Southard Lace Guild

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Re: [lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[Adele Shaak]

Plus, you know, our examples of the very old laces have been washed and ironed 
many times, and we don’t have in our museums every single pricking for them. So 
it might be that many of the lacemakers of, say, 300 years ago, did indeed use 
support pins when they needed them. I would not be surprised if “not using 
support pins” was something that happened over the past 150 years, as the 
industry gave way to machine-made laces and lacemakers desperately tried to 
speed up their lacemaking in order to earn enough to live on.

Just a thought. It’s possible, anyway.

Adele
Vancouver, BC
(west coast of Canada)

> On Feb 4, 2017, at 10:20 AM, Anita Hansen  wrote:
> 
>  And I DON'T care what the
> lace police think of it!  Years ago when I was first exploring how to work
> this lovely lace I found that tip in just one book.  I won't reveal the
> author, but if it's good enough for her it's good enough for me!  It may not
> be "traditional" but neither is my use of the computer to copy and size my
> prickings, or my Dazor magnifier lamp to see what I'm doing.  Using support
> pins in those triangular areas of the working diagram where a worker drops
> down and becomes a passive makes it possible for me to ENJOY making Binche
> lace! Adding temporary plaits are too much trouble and a waste of time.
> Besides I like to tug and pull my threads so a support pin is a must.  When my
> lace is finished and off the pillows I use another pin to gently nudge closed
> any holes left by the pins.  You can't tell they were there.

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Re: [lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[lacel...@frontier.com]

Back in my beginning days, a teacher told me to use temporary support pins any 
time it helped me out.  I use them a lot.  I tend to use the long yellow-headed 
pins as temporary pins so they stand up among the gaggle of pins on the pillow, 
and I pull them out when they are 3-4 rows back.  They don't stay in long 
enough for the pinhole to get set.  If I intend to leave the extra pin in, I'll 
use a normal pin.  The pins are just there to control and herd the threads into 
position.  When you have a cantankerous thread, you have to give it extra help. 
 When a thread changes direction, a pin is most helpful in keeping everything 
in order.

Alice in Oregon (where winter keeps going on -- freezing rain yesterday and 
snow tomorrow)

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Re: [lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[Susan Roberts]

At the risk of being called lace police there is no need to use support pins,
they have to be placed very accurately not to show later.  However the way I
was taught by Anne-Marie to do an input is not quite what is shown in a colour
working diagram.  As I can't post a picture here I will try and describe:

- work through all the passives except the last one (the inner ring pair)
- cloth the last passive (the inner ring pair) with the first pair from the
input
- take the worker in cloth through both these pairs
- take the unused (lower) pair at the input and use this as your new worker
across the row

The tensioning seems very strange at first but you can tension back against
the pin with this method much easier and you don't need to support anything
with extra pins.

You reverse this for an output.

You can see this method in some old Binche laces

Susan
--
Susan Roberts
Website: www.susanroberts.info

> On 4 Feb 2017, at 18:20, Anita Hansen  wrote:
>
> I saw Jo's post on her Binche sampler and comment about tension problems in
> cloth areas because of no support pins.  I left a reply for her about how I
> use them.  I decided I might as well "come out" here publicly and declare
it
> as well.  I use support pins in my cloth areas.  And I DON'T care what the
> lace police think of it!

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RE: [lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[Noelene Lafferty]

I attended a class in Mechlin lace here in Australia several years ago, with
Ulrike Voelker.  She used fine insect pins as support pins, and even brought
some with her to sell to us.  

I learnt a lot in those classes about lacemaking, but never went on with
that type of lace.  But I still take out my samples sometimes and am in awe
of just how fine and delicate they are!   I should use them as encouragement
to try some Binche!

Noelene at The Angle
noel...@lafferty.com.au

 > I saw Jo's post on her Binche sampler and comment about tension problems
> in cloth areas because of no support pins

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RE: [lace] Finnish lace

[Lorelei Halley]

Susan
I have 2 of Kortelahtil's books: UUDET NYPLAYSMALLIT 1976, and NYPLATTYA
PITSIA 1981. The first thing is that it is hard to know which designs are
typical of Finnish lace generally, and which are purely Kortelahti's own
exploding creativity.  Although, I suppose that celebrating Kortelahti is
legitimate all by itself.
In the earlier book there is a charming apple edging on pages 28-29. And she
has a leaf design that keeps reappearing in her work. I think of it as her
signature. Page 53. And a more elaborate version pages 96-97.
In the 1981 publication there is a lovely flower edging on pages 42-43, an
another version of the leaf design on pages 76-77.  
These are all designs that I have thought about making, but never got around
to it.
Lorelei

Subject: [lace] Finnish lace

Hello All!  Today I'm seeking advice to find a small, reasonably simple
pattern that is representative of traditional Finnish lace

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[lace] Unexpected addition to my emails!

[Clay Blackwell]

I sent a message to a friend today which had an attachment of a picture I had
taken recently, and beneath my message was the following,.


Happy Birthday, Jessica!

Duis nonsequ ismodol oreetuer iril dolore facidunt, vulluptat mani volore
consecte dolesed dolor se feum velit ver adionse magnisc illandi gniamet,
accummo loboreet ad magna conummy non vel ipitet.

Best Wishes,
Aunt Cathy


Does anyone have any idea what is going on here?

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Re: [lace] Unexpected addition to my emails!

[Devon]

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 4, 2017, at 5:57 PM, Clay Blackwell  wrote:
> 
> It is like a dummy placeholder. I was getting that with museum photos for a 
> while instead of the proper caption
> 
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Re: [lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[Clay Blackwell]

Perfect!  This is my system as well!  My own addition to this is a pin that 
indicates a temporary pin!  I use insect pins for this, and paint their tops 
with a touch of ail polish!

However you learn this, it is a crucial technique for advanced laces!

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> On Feb 4, 2017, at 3:33 PM, "lacel...@frontier.com"  
> wrote:
> 
> Back in my beginning days, a teacher told me to use temporary support pins 
> any time it helped me out.  I use them a lot.  I tend to use the long 
> yellow-headed pins as temporary pins so they stand up among the gaggle of 
> pins on the pillow, and I pull them out when they are 3-4 rows back.  They 
> don't stay in long enough for the pinhole to get set.  If I intend to leave 
> the extra pin in, I'll use a normal pin.  The pins are just there to control 
> and herd the threads into position.  When you have a cantankerous thread, you 
> have to give it extra help.  When a thread changes direction, a pin is most 
> helpful in keeping everything in order.
> 
> Alice in Oregon (where winter keeps going on -- freezing rain yesterday and 
> snow tomorrow)
> 
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Re: [lace] Finnish lace

[Susan]

Thank you Lorelei--I can hardly wait to see the Kortelahti books so I can see 
the patterns you are talking about!  The secondary benefit of all this is that 
I will be able to try the Pella linen thread.  What fun!  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle USA

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> On Feb 4, 2017, at 5:49 PM, Lorelei Halley  wrote:
> 
> Susan
> I have 2 of Kortelahtil's books: UUDET NYPLAYSMALLIT 1976, and NYPLATTYA
> PITSIA 1981. The first thing is that it is hard to know which designs are
> typical of Finnish lace generally, and which are purely Kortelahti's own
> exploding creativity.  Although, I suppose that celebrating Kortelahti is
> legitimate all by itself.

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Re:[lace] Support pin in Binche cloth areas

[Julie Shalack]

I just finished my third or fourth Flanders exercise without support pins and I 
am not really happy with the cloth areas.  I also remember years ago Ulrike 
Voelker being very emphatic about using support pins in Mechlin cloth.

But I don't understand how I am supposed to put pins in that aren't marked on 
the pricking.  I have a terrible eye at any sort of freehand thing in the best 
of conditions and making lace is not the best of conditions.  I love 
prepricking.  It is very relaxing not to worry about making sure my lines are 
straight.  I don't understand why support pins aren't marked on the pricking 
and prepricked.  It doesn't sound at all fun to me to put pins in freehand.  I 
don't understand why Voelker thinks it is no problem.  

SInce I didn't want to use pins that aren't in the pricking I thought I would 
attempt Flanders without support pins and hope that tensioning gets easier with 
practice.  So far my tensioning is bad and I am irritated.

I mention Flanders even though the subject line says Binche because I believe 
Binche/Flanders/Mechlin all do cloth stitch in the same way,  a very different 
way from Point Ground/Torchon.  Cloth stitch that changes its weaver after 
every row versus cloth stitch that keeps the same weaver throughout.

Julie Shalack Laurel, MD, USA

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