Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
Hello Susan The 'Chrysanthemum lace' from Essential Vermeer is a classical lace from earlier centuries, not the 'Chrysanthemum lace' referred to in the Belleville book, and other current publications offering nice patterns for mats and seasonal ornaments, e.g. hearts, Easter eggs, Christmas bangles. Some free advice, you can be selective for your exhibit, aim for an interesting overview about the laces your are confident in describing. On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Susan wrote: > Thank you Jean! Bobbi is definitely the Queen of Tonder lace! As to > Chrysanthemum, a connection with Bruges fits the "Flanders province" > description on Essential Vermeer. > > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
Thank you Jean! Bobbi is definitely the Queen of Tonder lace! As to Chrysanthemum, a connection with Bruges fits the "Flanders province" description on Essential Vermeer. Interesting too that description "b" under Bruges in Glynne is reminiscent of Chrysanthemum attributes: tape-like lace, formalized flower heads & convoluted scrolls. "At times plaited brides are doubled & ornamented with picots...". However, I have never made Chrysanthemum lace so have no clue whether it is continuous or non-continuous--a significant feature that differentiates Bruges from Lille according to Glynne. That could be a conflict that supports Nancy's citation of Lille. It's amazing what one can learn by organizing a simple lace exhibit at the library! Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA. Sent from my iPad > On May 25, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jean Leader wrote: > > Susan, > > Tonder bobbin lace (with a slash across the o) is definitely from Denmark - > ask Bobbi Donnelly who is teaching Tonder > > Chrysanthemum lace I’d never come across until I saw the book by Cathy > Belleville but I believe it’s related to Bruges lace which would possibly > make it Belgian rather than Dutch. > > Jean > --- > Jean Leader > www.jeanleader.net > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
Thank you Clare! It was nice of you to consult your copy of the Belleville book. According to the Vermeer site, it was "made in Flanders province for export to Holland. Dutch lace is also called Cauliflower or Chrysanthemum lace because of the pattern." Now you know why I was trying to track down another citation! It would be interesting to know what other countries claim to be the origin of Chrysanthemum lace. It certainly is sinuous. Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad > On May 25, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Clare Settle wrote: > > The intro to Chrysanthemum Lace by Cathleen Belleville says that 'the history > of this lace is a mystery. It is a relatively modern lace, having been > developed in the early to mid 1900s but its country of origin is widely > disputed. Almost every European country claims to have invented it...' > > Clare - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
The intro to Chrysanthemum Lace by Cathleen Belleville says that 'the history of this lace is a mystery. It is a relatively modern lace, having been developed in the early to mid 1900s but its country of origin is widely disputed. Almost every European country claims to have invented it...' Clare > On May 25, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N.A. Neff wrote: > > Hi Susan, > > Tønder lace is indeed Danish as Jean says, a point ground lace derived from > Lille lace from France. This is what I read recently, I believe in the > first part of Inge Skovgaard's The Technique of Tønder Lace. Bobbi > Donnelly, as Jean says, is the expert on Tønder, would know if I have the > right reference, and would be able to tell you if she agrees or not with > the derivation from Lille. I can give you Bobbi's email privately if you > want--I don't think she would mind. > > Nancy > > Nancy A. Neff > Connecticut, USA > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: > http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
Hi Susan, Tønder lace is indeed Danish as Jean says, a point ground lace derived from Lille lace from France. This is what I read recently, I believe in the first part of Inge Skovgaard's The Technique of Tønder Lace. Bobbi Donnelly, as Jean says, is the expert on Tønder, would know if I have the right reference, and would be able to tell you if she agrees or not with the derivation from Lille. I can give you Bobbi's email privately if you want--I don't think she would mind. Nancy Nancy A. Neff Connecticut, USA - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
Thanks Jean! I saw the Belleville book online but would need to request it from IOLI library to see if it has historical info. I just stumbled upon the Vermeer site & the Chrysanthemum reference. I only knew about Withof & 'sGravenmoer so this was a surprise that there might be an additional Holland-origin lace. My Grandmother's family was from The Hague. Too much lace to learn in one lifetime! Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA Sent from my iPad > On May 25, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jean Leader wrote: > > > Chrysanthemum lace I’d never come across until I saw the book by Cathy > Belleville but I believe it’s related to Bruges lace which would possibly > make it Belgian rather than Dutch. > > Jean > --- > Jean Leader > www.jeanleader.net > - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
Susan, Tonder bobbin lace (with a slash across the o) is definitely from Denmark - ask Bobbi Donnelly who is teaching Tonder at the IOLI Convention in July (https://internationalorganizationoflace.org/Conventions/2017Convention/Classes/amclasses.html) There could be whitework from Tonder but bobbin lace is what the small town is known for nowadays. Chrysanthemum lace I’d never come across until I saw the book by Cathy Belleville but I believe it’s related to Bruges lace which would possibly make it Belgian rather than Dutch. Jean --- Jean Leader www.jeanleader.net - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
[lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace
Hello All! While working on our upcoming "nationality lace" exhibits today, I was using the Lace app (Leader) & the Illustrated Dictionary (Gwynne) to help me plan the layouts for our maps & lace displays. I found a brief reference to Chrysanthemum lace, described as Dutch lace, on a Vermeer website but little else. I didn't find Tonder bobbin lace listed in Gwynne, although it is referenced tangentially under white work. So to clarify--should I identify these laces as originating in Holland & Denmark respectively? Or do they fall into another category? Many thanks for any advice. Sincerely, Susan Hottle Sent from my iPad - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
