[lace] Cross & Twist

2003-11-08 Thread Lynne Cumming
I too learnt to the chant of ' 2 over 3 and 2 & 4 back, 2 over 3' and still
teach it that way. Seems to work well. My son ( now 17) proves he can still
remember how to make lace by chanting it out. I know when my students are
relaxing into their lacemaking by the lack af under the breath muttering of
the rhyme! It also stops the early worry of what is a cross and what is a
twist.

Lynne.
Lynne Cumming
Baldock, North Herts, Uk

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[lace] Cross & Twist

2003-11-10 Thread Janis Savage
Hello all

Tamara said:

There's no confusion at all about the "Cross"; the *term* seems to be
used "accross the board", and, even though it doesn't always start with
a C in all languages, it does in *most*. In a pinch, it could be
substituted by X, and it would still be understood by all (well, "all"
as in:"all from the Christian countries"... But that's where *most* of
the lace is being made)... I wonder if there isn't, somewhere, a word
or a symbol that could be as easily recognised to describe *either* the
twist *or* the turn...
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One of my lacemaking friends had her first lessons in Paris, with a very
strict teacher.
She had copious notes describing each stitch and ground in detail.
Cross & Twist were denoted as X & O.
So a half stitch is XO
and a cloth stitch, CTC becomes XOX
Torchon ground is XO.XO
Double torchon ground is XOXO.XOXO etc. etc.
It makes a very neat shorthand when taking down notes or explaining how to
do a stitch.

Janis Savage
t/a The Lace Place
South Africa
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Re: [lace] Cross & Twist

2003-11-08 Thread Thelacebee
In a message dated 08/11/2003 09:45:15 GMT Standard Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I too learnt to the chant of ' 2 over 3 and 2 &4 back, 2 over 3' and still
> teach it that way. Seems to work well. My son ( now 17) proves he can still
> remember how to make lace by chanting it out. I know when my students are
> relaxing into their lacemaking by the lack af under the breath muttering of
> the rhyme! It also stops the early worry of what is a cross and what is a
> twist.
> 
> Lynne.
> Lynne Cumming
> 

Lynne,

I know that the lady who taught me used this as one of the ways she taught - 
I think it may be geographical because she was taught in Herts by someone who 
had worked for the local education authority but I'm sure you'll prove me 
wrong by saying you learnt from someone in suffolk!!! 

Regards

Liz Beecher
I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see 
what it's all about

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Re: [lace] Cross & Twist

2003-11-08 Thread alice howell
At 09:42 AM 11/8/2003 -, you wrote:
>I too learnt to the chant of ' 2 over 3 and 2 & 4 back, 2 over 3' and still
>teach it that way. 

Never thought of it that way -- never heard it said just that way.  When 
manning the 'try it' pillow and talking someone through the stitches, I 
found myself saying, "middle (two threads) cross to the right, then both 
pairs to the left", then,  "middle right, both left".  It shortens down to,
"middle, both, middle".  If they persisted past a dozen stitches, then I 
would start inserting the correct terms of cross and twist.

Maybe methods for dealing with 5-minute-lacemakers are different from
teaching a serious student.  I'll have to think on this when I get a new
student.

Happy lacing,

Alice in Oregon -   Brisk cold wind today.  Clear but chilly.
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RE: [lace] Cross & Twist

2003-11-11 Thread Panza, Robin
>>>From: Janis Savage [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cross & Twist were denoted as X & OIt makes a very neat shorthand when
taking down notes or explaining how to do a stitch.<<<

It's all a matter of what works for the *notetaker*.  For me, X would
forever be confused--is that a right-over-left X or a left-over-right X, and
which is my right hand anyway?  I don't even make a square knot
consistently.  I may start right-over-left or left-over-right, I just make
sure the second half is opposite whatever I did the first half.

Robin P.
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Re: [lace] Cross & Twist

2003-11-12 Thread Jane K. Griffin
looks like a lot of hugging and kissing is going on LOL~!!
just lurking and smiling
Piecefully yours, Jane in NC

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