Re: [lace] famous lacemakers
Dear Roslyn, Now I don't know famous lacemakers nor if they were men or women, but I had always thought that the men associated with lace were more like middlemen. They would buy from a lacemaker and sell to the wealthier lords and ladies in the communities, towns, and cities. I can tell you that this bloke's no middle man. :) I just make my own and give it away. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] famous lacemakers
Roslyn wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. Now I don't know famous lacemakers nor if they were men or women, but I had always thought that the men associated with lace were more like middlemen. As far as I know, here in Catalonia (Spain), some men were the lace designers while women were the workers of lace. I consider whereas, the work of the women more important, as it is more difficult to adapt a design to lace that just to draw the pattern. And I can add too, that we know the name of the men but not the name of the women who worked the laces. Carolina. Barcelona. Spain. -- Carolina de la Guardia http://www.geocities.com/carolgallego/ http://www.geocities.com/carolgallego/encajebrujo.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Famous lacemakers
Roslyn wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. As this contentious statement has caused us some degree of bewilderment and speculation, could we ask Roslyn to contact the paper to ask why the author of the article believes this to be so. Unfortunately, she tantalisingly omitted to tell us what the rest of the piece was about. By filler, does this mean it could have been reprint from an historical source? If so, is there a geographical reference. In the world-wide context, I don't think there are any lacemakers who are really famous. How many people outside lace (and maybe historical textiles) have heard of Thomas Lester for example. I know that when I studied fashion, including history of dress, he was never mentioned; I only found out about him through lace making. And even those contemporary lacemakers (mostly female) that we consider to be famous, our icons and role models, are largely unknown outside of lace. Shame though, perhaps we should try for the Turner prize. Jacquie - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Famous lacemakers
In a message dated 12/13/2003 7:10:13 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I don't think there are any lacemakers who are really famous. The only lacemakers I can think of that are famous are famous for things other than lacemaking, for instance, Catherine of Aragon or Mary, Queen of Scots. There is also a picture in the latest OIDFA of Queen Alexandrine of Denmark making lace. Devon - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Famous lacemakers
Roslyn wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. Hey, I'm fascinated to know that where Roslyn lives they have a newspaper that still needs to use filler! I haven't seen any since the 60s. I used to love those little bits of information! (For those arachnes who are under 30 - filler is little one or two line bits of information that they used to slip into a newspaper column to fill it out to the correct length. Stuff like a 200 lb man would weigh xxx pounds on the moon and so on. The need for filler disappeared when presses moved to computerized type.) So, sadly, we can't argue with this filler because it has probably been handed down in a book of filler lines for 50 years or more. It's like trying to get the Scrabble dictionary people to correct their definition that tat means lacemaking. A lost cause. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace] famous lacemakers
Hi everyone and Roslyn who wrote: I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. The wording would be, more correctly (though inaccurately), '(all the) (I wouldn't be hasty about stating 'all') famous names associated with lace are those of men' supposing the writer was referring to someone like the brothers Lefebure in France, for instance. They were not the makers of the actual lace but in charge of having the laces made (to put it simply). However, there were women who were also 'in charge of having the laces made' - their names weren't given due accord - Mme. Charpentier was the predecessor to the first Lefebure, for instance. I suppose it is rather like the situation with an architect or engineer, or in the days of portrait painting studios - the person who signs the finished artwork, drawing, plan, design, lace whatever - is legally responsible for that work (as well as 'owning' it). 'His' technicians will have done most of the work. One can see how the dilution of reporting can distort the facts. Thanks for sharing that Roslyn, it was thought provoking ;) -- bye for now Bev on a typical wintry day in Sooke, BC (west coast of Canada) i.e. damp, dark and warm - good if you're a mushroom. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] famous lacemakers
I read this week a filler in the paper that said all the famous lacemakers were men. Now I don't know famous lacemakers nor if they were men or women, but I had always thought that the men associated with lace were more like middlemen. They would buy from a lacemaker and sell to the wealthier lords and ladies in the communities, towns, and cities. If anyone knows the answer to this I would appreciate the information. Roslyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
