Re: [lace] hitches - video for beginners
Not easy to get all this straightened out (scnr) - and since it can be so confusing I tried to avoid to put anything about that into the video. And imagine David who's even doing it upside down! Achim. Am 17.10.2007 um 22:07 schrieb Brenda Paternoster: Achim's right - I should have said It may well be that lacemakers of old who were used to S-twist linen demanded S-twist cotton. Burning the midnight oil! Brenda On 17 Oct 2007, at 19:29, Achim Siebert wrote: It may well be that lacemakers of old who were used to Z-twist linen demanded Z-twist cotton Shouldn't that be S-twist in this sentence? They were used to S- twist linen, weren't they? Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] hitches - video for beginners
At 06:10 PM 18/10/2007, Achim Siebert wrote: Not easy to get all this straightened out (scnr) - and since it can be so confusing I tried to avoid to put anything about that into the video. And imagine David who's even doing it upside down! Yes, but fortunately I now know that I am definitely ambidextrous :) David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners
Hi All, I agree - the video clip is beautifully done! I would add that I am one who always ties the thread onto the bobbin - not to make the winding of said bobbins easier, but to make sure I never lose any bobbins if they run! I demonstrate all over the place and, like most of us, have seen the way bobbins try to escape - at least if the thread is tied onto the bobbin, the bobbin may well run, but it won't get lost. I also have a lot of glass bobbins, with several usually on each pillow. If they are tied, then they don't usually hit the floor is they run, which saves a lot of aggravation over broken glass bobbins! However, it is, again, one of those things - we do it the way we want to do it! Carol - in Suffolk UK - Original Message - From: bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Achim Siebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: arachne lace@arachne.com Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 5:42 PM Subject: Re: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners Hi Achim and everyone This is a brilliant demo! - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners
Hi Carol and everyone That is a good argument for tying the thread to the bobbins - to prevent the release of bobbins from their tethers at public places e.g. when the lacemaker's back is turned! I'll keep it in mind for a future demo occasion. On 10/17/07, Carol Adkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would add that I am one who always ties the thread onto the bobbin - not to make the winding of said bobbins easier, but to make sure I never lose any bobbins if they run! I demonstrate all over the place and, like most of us, have seen the way bobbins try to escape - at least if the thread is tied onto the bobbin, the bobbin may well run, but it won't get lost. However, it is, again, one of those things - we do it the way we want to do it! And we like it that way :))) -- Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] hitches - video for beginners
Thank you, Brenda, for the good explanation. The main exceptions to cotton being Z-twist are those which are specifically made for lacemaking; Egyptian gassed, Brok, and the old cotton slip threads. So I can keep my preferred way of winding the bobbins (anti- clockwise) with the Egyptian cotton I use for Buckspoint - great to know! It may well be that lacemakers of old who were used to Z-twist linen demanded Z-twist cotton Shouldn't that be S-twist in this sentence? They were used to S- twist linen, weren't they? Twisted, Achim. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] hitches - video for beginners
Achim's right - I should have said It may well be that lacemakers of old who were used to S-twist linen demanded S-twist cotton. Burning the midnight oil! Brenda On 17 Oct 2007, at 19:29, Achim Siebert wrote: It may well be that lacemakers of old who were used to Z-twist linen demanded Z-twist cotton Shouldn't that be S-twist in this sentence? They were used to S- twist linen, weren't they? Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] hitches - video for beginners
Achim, Neat video, very easy to understand. Thank you! The first set you show the thread being wound anti-clockwise then the next set for cotton shows the thread being wound clockwise. Why the difference? Here's a very good explanation: http://www.q7design.demon.co.uk/lacenotes/winding/wind.html So saying Clockwise for Cotton in my video is not quite correct, but I thought it should suffice for someone only getting started, since most cotton threads in use today have a Z-twist. I'm usually winding bobbins anti-clockwise because I started with Bockens linnen thread which has an S-twist - and also because it just comes easier for me. When I used relatively thick cotton thread lately, I forgot to change the direction and it tended to loose it's twist, so maybe I had better wound that clockwise. Not sure if it really makes a lot of difference, though. Best, Achim. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] hitches - video for beginners
I always wind my bobbins clockwise when looking down on the head, the way Achim does for cotton. That's way I was taught to wind them, and I used to think that it was just a regional thing; clockwise in England and anti-clockwise on the continent (of Europe), much like English lacemakers usually work the foot side on the right, most continentals work it on the left. Because I have always wound clockwise I find it very difficult to work on a pillow with bobbins wound anti-clockwise because the gradual unwinding becomes an automatic part of moving the bobbins around. Until really quite recently it didn't occur to me that the direction of the thread spin might make a difference to the way bobbins are wound. I've never experienced a problem with winding/unwinding with S-twist or Z-twist, though I do mostly use Midlands bobbins which don't roll as much as continentals. As Bev has pointed out, if the bobbin is rolled into the thread rather than the thread wound around the bobbin there should be no extra twists introduced in either direction. Robin, most linen threads are S-twist. I believe that is because linen fibres have a natural tendency to twist in S direction. The majority of cotton threads are Z-spun; that is because they are intended for use on a sewing machine of some sort, and the mechanism of all sewing machines is such that a Z-twist is tightened which is preferable to it getting untwisted by the sewing action. The main exceptions to cotton being Z-twist are those which are specifically made for lacemaking; Egyptian gassed, Brok, and the old cotton slip threads. It may well be that lacemakers of old who were used to Z-twist linen demanded Z-twist cotton (back in the days when lacemaking was a significant part of thread consumption!). Pearl cotton and coton a broder are usually S-spun, and they are used for hand sewing. I am right handed and my hand sewing tends to tighten an S-twist (the unstitched part of the thread will naturally twist in the Z direction) Crochet cottons which are plied twice are usually 2S/3Z, which means that the 3Z is the more significant part. The crocheting movements don't themselves twist the thread but the stitches (treble, double treble etc) do lean slightly to the left when made by a right handed crocheter, and that would be balanced by a Z twist. Silk is spun in either direction - if it's primarily intended for machine sewing it will be Z-spun, if for hand sewing it will be S-spun. I would suggest that the most important thing is to roll the bobbin into the thread (the way Achim does) to avoid tightening or loosening the manufactured spin. Secondly, ensure that all the bobbins on the pillow are wound in the same way to enable consistant working practices Thirdly, if you do choose to vary the direction according to the thread look at its construction rather than the fibre content. Brenda On 16 Oct 2007, at 04:30, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] As others will probably mention, you can wind in either direction as long as you are consistent. i.e. all bobbins clockwise. or all bobbins counterclockwise wound. Personally, I only wind and hitch bobbins one way, because I have much too much trouble keeping the movements straight. However, I was taught that choosing clock/counter winding should be determined by the fiber being wound. I'm sure Brenda will correct this if I got it wrong, but I believe cotton thread is usually made with an S-twist and silk with a Z-twist. [An S-twist thread spirals from upper-left to lower-right when you hold the thread vertically and look closely; a Z-twist thread goes from upper-right to lower-left. Doesn't matter which end of the thread is up and which down.] I forget whether linen is like cotton (I think so) or like silk. Thanks, Achim, for publishing the video. I'm sure it will be a great help to new lacemakers trying to learn to hitch their bobbins. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Hitches - video for beginners
It's been a while but today I took the time to test the video capabilites of my (photo) camera. Here's a video of me making hitches, without voice-over for now, but I intend to add some words later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4w4rdRlZWE Please tell me what you think - I'm not even sure if I do it right, since I learned from books only. But the methods I show work for me and I hope it will help beginners to get it right. Best, Achim. Am 11.09.2007 um 18:27 schrieb Achim Siebert: uhoh, this will be difficult for me to explain as English is not my mother tongue. Let's try: 1. I make the same loop as for a usual hitch (usually in the left hand, holding the bobbin in the right). 2. I lay the hitch over the bobbin, but don't let go off the loop of thread 3. I wind the thread of the loop two more times around the bobbin head (anti-clockwise). For a double one I'd only wind one time extra. 4. Only then will I pull tight the hitch. Maybe I should put a little movie on youtube ;). Best, Achim in Berlin. 2007/9/11, Diane Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Okay, how do you make a triple hitch? Diane - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners
I thought this was brilliant - well done! If you learnt this from books, even better! Dee Palin Warwickshire - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners
Dear Achim, It's been a while but today I took the time to test the video capabilites of my (photo) camera. Here's a video of me making hitches, without voice-over for now, but I intend to add some words later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4w4rdRlZWE Beautifully put together. Your first clockwise method is mine exactly. David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners
I liked the video. You did the movements slowly and clearly. And you showed it for both clockwise and anti-clockwise. Great job!! I learned a couple of movements that may make it easier for me to teach beginners. Lorri Graham, WA USA - Original Message - From: Achim Siebertmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: arachnemailto:lace@arachne.com ; [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 15, 2007 12:52 AM Subject: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners It's been a while but today I took the time to test the video capabilites of my (photo) camera. Here's a video of me making hitches, without voice-over for now, but I intend to add some words later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4w4rdRlZWEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v 4w4rdRlZWE Please tell me what you think - I'm not even sure if I do it right, since I learned from books only. But the methods I show work for me and I hope it will help beginners to get it right. Best, Achim. Am 11.09.2007 um 18:27 schrieb Achim Siebert: uhoh, this will be difficult for me to explain as English is not my mother tongue. Let's try: 1. I make the same loop as for a usual hitch (usually in the left hand, holding the bobbin in the right). 2. I lay the hitch over the bobbin, but don't let go off the loop of thread 3. I wind the thread of the loop two more times around the bobbin head (anti-clockwise). For a double one I'd only wind one time extra. 4. Only then will I pull tight the hitch. Maybe I should put a little movie on youtube ;). Best, Achim in Berlin. 2007/9/11, Diane Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: Okay, how do you make a triple hitch? Diane - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]. For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Hitches - video for beginners
Hi Achim and everyone This is a brilliant demo! I use the first method, self-taught, even with a lace teacher once upon a time - who simply directed us - no demo! Some lacemakers like to tie the beginning of the thread to the bobbin. It makes winding easier for them. I prefer the wrapping firmly over the cut end. Saves fiddling later when changing thread (etc.). The video is clear and deliberate, and words aren't necessary, although a spoken description would reinforce the visuals, for those who really need it :) Excellent learning tool; well done. On 10/15/07, Achim Siebert [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's been a while but today I took the time to test the video capabilites of my (photo) camera. Here's a video of me making hitches, without voice-over for now, but I intend to add some words later: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4w4rdRlZWE -- Bev in Sooke BC (on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] hitches - video for beginners
From: bevw [EMAIL PROTECTED] As others will probably mention, you can wind in either direction as long as you are consistent. i.e. all bobbins clockwise. or all bobbins counterclockwise wound. Personally, I only wind and hitch bobbins one way, because I have much too much trouble keeping the movements straight. However, I was taught that choosing clock/counter winding should be determined by the fiber being wound. I'm sure Brenda will correct this if I got it wrong, but I believe cotton thread is usually made with an S-twist and silk with a Z-twist. [An S-twist thread spirals from upper-left to lower-right when you hold the thread vertically and look closely; a Z-twist thread goes from upper-right to lower-left. Doesn't matter which end of the thread is up and which down.] I forget whether linen is like cotton (I think so) or like silk. Thanks, Achim, for publishing the video. I'm sure it will be a great help to new lacemakers trying to learn to hitch their bobbins. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA (formerly Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
