Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
I used to dabble in weaving too. and I gave it up when I needed the space and when I gave it some thought I really hated dressing the loom when I did I usually did more than one thing with one warp If I get back into it I may get one of the rigid heddle looms.. smaller and simpler... what got me started in the historic crafts is when I took up spinning 25 years ago... and have been trying them all since with bobbinlace being my favorite. Most recently have taken up rug hooking... love this not a lot of prep time and no need for written instructions... great for my ADD Faye Hegener going back and forth from Facebook, countrylife and farmville,,, - Original Message - From: "Susie Rose" To: joybee...@comcast.net, jeria...@aol.com Cc: lace@arachne.com Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2010 10:53:44 AM Subject: Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft Hello to One & All! Im also a weaver. IMHO woof meaning weft came into being through a misunderstanding by 2 people where one's native tongue was different than the other. My Mom was Danish & could mangle english quite well. I would piggyback many projects off of 1 warping of my loom. Warping a loom is NOT my favorite thing to do. It usually takes about 75 percent of the project's time! One warping I got 7 tablerunners...with a white warp. The next warp, beige, I just tied the thread ends together, three runners on that warp. They were Anerican Colonial patterns that I reproduced. The only difference in them was the color of the weft & the order of the tredling. (Making the sheds to throw the weft.) Hugs, Susie Rose On Thu Jun 24th, 2010 6:28 AM PDT Joy Beeson wrote: >On 6/14/10 10:44 AM, jeria...@aol.com wrote: > >> David: All you have to remember is that (in English) >> weft rhymes with left, and that left and right are >> horizontal. > >Another way is to remember that weft is that which is woven. > > Dunno how "woof" fits in, but "warp and woof" is >obsolete anyway. [checks Merriam-Webster second edition] >"Weft" actually is a form of "wefan", the old-English word >that became "weave". Synonyms are "woof", "shoot", and >"filling". I suspect that "shoot" is the result of throwing >the shuttle *once*, not all of the filling; that sort of >detail is apt to be left out of a general dictionary. (I'm >too lazy to Google, and haven't a beginners' weaving book on >me.) > >"Shoot" is more appropriate now than it was when the >dictionary was written: nowadays they blow the weft in with >a jet of air instead of using a shuttle. > > >> There is a trick way to remember warp, > >Best just to remember that "warp" is the other one. > >Or to reflect that a loom must be warped before weaving can >commence. (I have read that warping is more than half the >job, so weavers try to plan several projects that can be >woven on the same warp.) > >When you work cloth stitch, the passives are warp and the >workers are weft. > >-- Joy Beeson >http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ >http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ >http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange >http://home.comcast.net/~debeeson/DaveCam/ >west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. >where there are now only 73 messages in the "Lace" folder. > >- >To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
Or, as one weaver told me "You have to be warped to weave!" Liz Raleigh, NC, USA Regina Haring wrote: > Warping the loom comes first, and the word "warp" is alphabetically before > "weft". - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
Warping the loom comes first, and the word "warp" is alphabetically before "weft". Regina - Original Message - From: "Joy Beeson" To: Or to reflect that a loom must be warped before weaving can commence. (I have read that warping is more than half the job, so weavers try to plan several projects that can be woven on the same warp.) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
Hello to One & All! Im also a weaver. IMHO woof meaning weft came into being through a misunderstanding by 2 people where one's native tongue was different than the other. My Mom was Danish & could mangle english quite well. I would piggyback many projects off of 1 warping of my loom. Warping a loom is NOT my favorite thing to do. It usually takes about 75 percent of the project's time! One warping I got 7 tablerunners...with a white warp. The next warp, beige, I just tied the thread ends together, three runners on that warp. They were Anerican Colonial patterns that I reproduced. The only difference in them was the color of the weft & the order of the tredling. (Making the sheds to throw the weft.) Hugs, Susie Rose On Thu Jun 24th, 2010 6:28 AM PDT Joy Beeson wrote: >On 6/14/10 10:44 AM, jeria...@aol.com wrote: > >> David: All you have to remember is that (in English) >> weft rhymes with left, and that left and right are >> horizontal. > >Another way is to remember that weft is that which is woven. > > Dunno how "woof" fits in, but "warp and woof" is >obsolete anyway. [checks Merriam-Webster second edition] >"Weft" actually is a form of "wefan", the old-English word >that became "weave". Synonyms are "woof", "shoot", and >"filling". I suspect that "shoot" is the result of throwing >the shuttle *once*, not all of the filling; that sort of >detail is apt to be left out of a general dictionary. (I'm >too lazy to Google, and haven't a beginners' weaving book on >me.) > >"Shoot" is more appropriate now than it was when the >dictionary was written: nowadays they blow the weft in with >a jet of air instead of using a shuttle. > > >> There is a trick way to remember warp, > >Best just to remember that "warp" is the other one. > >Or to reflect that a loom must be warped before weaving can >commence. (I have read that warping is more than half the >job, so weavers try to plan several projects that can be >woven on the same warp.) > >When you work cloth stitch, the passives are warp and the >workers are weft. > >-- Joy Beeson >http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ >http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ >http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange >http://home.comcast.net/~debeeson/DaveCam/ >west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. >where there are now only 73 messages in the "Lace" folder. > >- >To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: >unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to >arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
On 6/14/10 10:44 AM, jeria...@aol.com wrote: David: All you have to remember is that (in English) weft rhymes with left, and that left and right are horizontal. Another way is to remember that weft is that which is woven. Dunno how "woof" fits in, but "warp and woof" is obsolete anyway. [checks Merriam-Webster second edition] "Weft" actually is a form of "wefan", the old-English word that became "weave". Synonyms are "woof", "shoot", and "filling". I suspect that "shoot" is the result of throwing the shuttle *once*, not all of the filling; that sort of detail is apt to be left out of a general dictionary. (I'm too lazy to Google, and haven't a beginners' weaving book on me.) "Shoot" is more appropriate now than it was when the dictionary was written: nowadays they blow the weft in with a jet of air instead of using a shuttle. There is a trick way to remember warp, Best just to remember that "warp" is the other one. Or to reflect that a loom must be warped before weaving can commence. (I have read that warping is more than half the job, so weavers try to plan several projects that can be woven on the same warp.) When you work cloth stitch, the passives are warp and the workers are weft. -- Joy Beeson http://joybeeson.home.comcast.net/ http://roughsewing.home.comcast.net/ http://n3f.home.comcast.net/ -- Writers' Exchange http://home.comcast.net/~debeeson/DaveCam/ west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A. where there are now only 73 messages in the "Lace" folder. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
Some caution would be wise here. The Conservation section at the Powerhouse Museum said a few years ago that the manufacturers now include other chemicals so the oven bags are probably no longer of archival status. The older ones are often stiffer and more crinkly. The newer ones are more like plastic. They were so convenient too Barbara Ballantyne in Sydney Australia where it delightfully sunny -Original Message- From: owner-l...@arachne.com [mailto:owner-l...@arachne.com] On Behalf Of kar...@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, 16 June 2010 5:46 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft Shirley, Very interesting. I had to go check on my oven bags and mine are made by the Reynolds Co. I'll have to check the store and see if they have the ones by Glad. Wonder if ours would be acid free? Patsy A. Goodman Chula Vista, CA, USA Tregellas Family wrote: > > > It's all these little hints which make life so much easier. Thank > you Jeri for my new piece of knowledge today. A comment was made today > our Guild meeting. The curator was talking about storing lace and that > she'd had to buy more oven bags. Some girls had a giggle thinking that > she had said the wrong thing. The fact is that the oven bags we have > in Australia are made by the 'Glad' company and are acid free. > > Cheers, > Shirley T. - with cold toes and fingers as morning temps are dropping > to about 2C. br but we still need more rain. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
Shirley, Very interesting. I had to go check on my oven bags and mine are made by the Reynolds Co. I'll have to check the store and see if they have the ones by Glad. Wonder if ours would be acid free? Patsy A. Goodman Chula Vista, CA, USA Tregellas Family wrote: > > > It's all these little hints which make life so much easier. Thank > you Jeri for my new piece of knowledge today. A comment was made today > our Guild meeting. The curator was talking about storing lace and that > she'd had to buy more oven bags. Some girls had a giggle thinking that > she had said the wrong thing. The fact is that the oven bags we have > in Australia are made by the 'Glad' company and are acid free. > > Cheers, > Shirley T. - with cold toes and fingers as morning temps are dropping > to about 2C. br but we still need more rain. > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
jeria...@aol.com wrote: David: All you have to remember is that (in English) weft rhymes with left, and that left and right are horizontal. It's all these little hints which make life so much easier. Thank you Jeri for my new piece of knowledge today. A comment was made today our Guild meeting. The curator was talking about storing lace and that she'd had to buy more oven bags. Some girls had a giggle thinking that she had said the wrong thing. The fact is that the oven bags we have in Australia are made by the 'Glad' company and are acid free. Cheers, Shirley T. - with cold toes and fingers as morning temps are dropping to about 2C. br but we still need more rain. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
In my experience, the sillier the memory aid, the easier it is to remember. Weft sounds like the past tense of weave to me; the weaver has weft. Or it goes weft to wight. For warp, I think of "Star Trek". Warp speed is obviously going forward, not sideways. Robin P. Los Angeles, California, USA robinl...@socal.rr.com = David wrote: "Now while I can never remember which is warp and which is weft, the woman explained that they were currently making a fabric which had the vertical threads of cotton and the horizontal threads on the shuttle were of silk." - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
I remember it as the weft does the weaving. Similarly in lacemaking, our worker pairs are also known as weaver pairs. aka the weft pairs! Subject to change to become warp or passives as the pattern requires ;) On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 7:44 AM, wrote: > David wrote: "Now while I can never > remember which is warp and which is weft,... > > David: All you have to remember is that (in English) weft rhymes with > left, and that left and right are horizontal. > > -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lace in Vietnam Warp/Weft
David wrote: "Now while I can never remember which is warp and which is weft, the woman explained that they were currently making a fabric which had the vertical threads of cotton and the horizontal threads on the shuttle were of silk." David: All you have to remember is that (in English) weft rhymes with left, and that left and right are horizontal. There is a trick way to remember warp, but I'll not give, to save that memory space for lace!! Jeri Ames in Maine USA Lace and Embroidery Resource Center - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam
Hello All, didn't we have a wonderful knitting day? We went out with the idea to find people knitting somewhere in the park. But the question was in which park shall I look for first. There are so many here in HH. Than it started raining, it was fresh and windy so we decided to go to one of our museums. In one they show possibilities to survive in case of environment accidents or in further future. And there is such round thing outside the museum in the high of second floor. Three people could go in at the same time, without shoes and loose things like mobilphones or so. First we had to go into a tent like place and wait till they pumped air or what ever in it. than we opened the next zipper and went out of the wall into another transparent tent. It was a normal feeling but our voices sounded strange. I mentioned about knitting day and that there is a chair missing. The young man who was me and another lady said that I didn't like to be inside a longer time still with a chair. That was my knitting day. At home I did some lacemaking instead. Ilske - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] Lace in Vietnam
Welcome back David, glad you had a good time in Vietnam. Looking forward to your stories and adventures they are usually quite entertaining Sue M Harvey Norfolk UK. - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] Lace in Vietnam
Hello David, Thank you for you message. In Vietnam I saw needlelace near Dalat in the south. I don't find explanation. There is embroderies (des jours in french) in the north near Ninh Binh. And too traditionnal and wonderfull embroderies on dress in mountain in north and a little in the middle and in the south. It's from minorities people like Hmong. The best one is the Yao people. http://www.underthebo.fr/decoration-interieure-maison-asie/images/Mien_Yao_robe_YA79.jpg http://www.underthebo.fr/decoration-interieure-maison-asie/images/Mien%20_Yao_embroidery_YA73e.jpg http://storage.canalblog.com/60/59/684190/49228138.jpg I like this one too : http://storage.canalblog.com/60/59/684190/49228138.jpg In french, Hmong fleuris (flower). A little part is crossing stitch. The rest is sewing machine : braid and thread everywhere. You can't see the cloth. It's old machine with pedal. They don't have electricity at home. They work in "piqué libre" (sorry I don't know the translation. They don't use the "pied-de-biche?") I saw a silk fabric near Dalat too, one time and a over one ten years after. Lots of difference with time. Dentelez bien Sof from France Le 12/06/2010 16:27, David C COLLYER a écrit : > Dear Friends, > I arrived home yesterday after a month in Vietnam with the usual load > of stories and adventures. > > However, with regard to lace, I found no sign of bobbin lace, tatting > or even crochet at all. In Saigon, I did see examples of Hardanger and > Roman Cut Work - all of similar design and possibly from China. > > Silk is a major industry in Vietnam and there are the most wonderful > embroideries and fabrics to be purchased throughout the entire country > at remarkably inexpensive rates. The main centre for the silk industry > is the small town of Hoi An - about 30km south of Da Nang. > > Whilst most of my Vietnamese language skills returned after a week or > so there, I was having great difficulty trying to get folk to > understand that I wanted to see where the silk fabric was actually > made. Eventually I found a fabulous lesbian motor scooter rider who > understood when I told her I wanted to see the silk fabric when it was > white. > > She then kindly took me about 30km inland from Hoi An on the back of > her bike at 7:00 A.M. to the village of Duy Trinh - Duy Xuyen in Quang > Nam Province. In a small house I met a couple of about 60yrs of age > who had 2 antiquated looms running. Now while I can never remember > which is warp and which is weft, the woman explained that they were > currently making a fabric which had the vertical threads of cotton and > the horizontal threads on the shuttle were of silk. > > I asked if it would be possible to buy a spool of the fine white silk > thread - not knowing whether she was under contract or how she > obtained her thread, She assured me it was OK and so I got a large > spool (about 12" [30cm] long and over 0.5cm thick) - more than enough > for a lifetime or two, for the exorbitant price of US $2.50!!! > > I shall write a story or two for lace-chat > Bye for now > David in Ballarat > > - > To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: > unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to > arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
[lace] Lace in Vietnam
Dear Friends, I arrived home yesterday after a month in Vietnam with the usual load of stories and adventures. However, with regard to lace, I found no sign of bobbin lace, tatting or even crochet at all. In Saigon, I did see examples of Hardanger and Roman Cut Work - all of similar design and possibly from China. Silk is a major industry in Vietnam and there are the most wonderful embroideries and fabrics to be purchased throughout the entire country at remarkably inexpensive rates. The main centre for the silk industry is the small town of Hoi An - about 30km south of Da Nang. Whilst most of my Vietnamese language skills returned after a week or so there, I was having great difficulty trying to get folk to understand that I wanted to see where the silk fabric was actually made. Eventually I found a fabulous lesbian motor scooter rider who understood when I told her I wanted to see the silk fabric when it was white. She then kindly took me about 30km inland from Hoi An on the back of her bike at 7:00 A.M. to the village of Duy Trinh - Duy Xuyen in Quang Nam Province. In a small house I met a couple of about 60yrs of age who had 2 antiquated looms running. Now while I can never remember which is warp and which is weft, the woman explained that they were currently making a fabric which had the vertical threads of cotton and the horizontal threads on the shuttle were of silk. I asked if it would be possible to buy a spool of the fine white silk thread - not knowing whether she was under contract or how she obtained her thread, She assured me it was OK and so I got a large spool (about 12" [30cm] long and over 0.5cm thick) - more than enough for a lifetime or two, for the exorbitant price of US $2.50!!! I shall write a story or two for lace-chat Bye for now David in Ballarat - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
