[lace] Re: handmade bobbin lace sold for 35 dollars yard
--- James Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #65279;Hi Suzy, Thanks for your email. I purchased this lace from a lace dealer who has been selling antique lace and trims for probably 25 years or more. She indicated it was handmade, but she has been wrong before. She might be up in the night about this one...I have always been taught to look for anomalies or errors which are not repeated as the pattern is repeated and honestly there are so many differences in each segment, it's difficult for me to believe that a machine could make anything so irregular. There are differences in the tension in the lace throughout ,etc. I just felt it was homemade. I believe it was all purchased by a dealer in Israel, so she may be able to shed light on it... Thanks again, Susan from suzy in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: handmade bobbin lace sold for 35 dollars yard
In the context of the message, I believe that the lace was purchased by an Israeli dealer, not that a dealer purchased Israeli lace. Carolyn Carolyn W. Hastings Stow, MA USA -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of suzy Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 11:15 AM To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] Re: handmade bobbin lace sold for 35 dollars yard --- James Robison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: #65279;Hi Suzy, Thanks for your email. I purchased this lace from a lace dealer who has been selling antique lace and trims for probably 25 years or more. She indicated it was handmade, but she has been wrong before. She might be up in the night about this one...I have always been taught to look for anomalies or errors which are not repeated as the pattern is repeated and honestly there are so many differences in each segment, it's difficult for me to believe that a machine could make anything so irregular. There are differences in the tension in the lace throughout ,etc. I just felt it was homemade. I believe it was all purchased by a dealer in Israel, so she may be able to shed light on it... Thanks again, Susan from suzy in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Yahoo! Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music.yahoo.com/unlimited/ - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace] Re: handmade bobbin lace sold for 35 dollars yard
i agree with that without a doubt, but it more than likely was purchased from a country near there. exporting is easier when you are on or near the same continent,and could even be that it was english lace. the pomegranites are usually found in what kind of Lace? this i don't know, maybe greece? russian? poland? isn't there a type of lace that uses pomegranites in its patterns regularly? i'm sure i have my facts messed up on this!! i'm also sure i'll be quickly corrected! i'll still put my bad 2 cents in just to get an answer. is there a type of lace that uses pomegranites a lot in its patterns? In the context of the message, I believe that the lace was purchased by an Israeli dealer, not that a dealer purchased Israeli lace. Carolyn Carolyn W. Hastings Stow, MA USA from suzy in tennessee,u.s.a. __ Start your day with Yahoo! - Make it your home page! http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Re: Handmade??
At 10:47 AM 8/9/2003 +0100, you wrote: There are exceptions to every rule;Machine made half stitch generally has vertical and diagonal threads, handade BL has horizontal and diagonal threads in the half stitch, but 's Gravenmoer lace (handmade BL) has half stitch with vertical and diagonal threads. True, 's Gravenmoer has half stitch with vertical and diagonal threads. However.the slope of the diagonal is different from Torchon and machine halfstitch. The slope is not at 45 degrees. It's less because it's a denser halfstitch with two rows of action where Torchon (or machine) has one row. That brings me back to one point in my previous discussion. A person must learn the 'look' of handmade lace and the techniques used to create certain effects. Armed with this knowledge, machine imitations can often be identified. (Note -- I didn't say 'always. There are a few machine laces that try the patience of even the experts.) Keep making lace. Alice in Oregon - 9400 lightning strikes in 24 hrs. 65 fires. Oregon Country Lacemakers Arachne Secret Pal Administrator Mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Re: Handmade??
On Friday, August 8, 2003, at 03:47 PM, Alice wrote: I believe that both of these lace items are machine made. It is very common for lace sellers (who often don't really know much about lace) to label any lace item as 'handmade'. As is often said, let the buyer beware! It's not only eBay that has that problem. I was in a little antique shop (in Kent) a couple of years ago which had a lot of linens and laces on offer and most of it was, to me, obviously machine made but was labelled 'handmade'. So I queried one piece and asked how it was made; tatted, crocheted, bobbins, needle or what? By hand was the answer How? I asked, With the hands of course! I left it there! Big Snip - where Alice gives much good advice Most important is to get accustomed to the look of handmade lace. Most machinemade lace has something done differently to produce the 'look' of the lace within the limits of the machine action. Half stitch might be done differently. Clothwork may be done in a single direction instead of following the flow of the design. There are exceptions to every rule;Machine made half stitch generally has vertical and diagonal threads, handade BL has horizontal and diagonal threads in the half stitch, but 's Gravenmoer lace (handmade BL) has half stitch with vertical and diagonal threads. another Big Snip If you can see the footedge of a length of lace that is very often the give-away. Handmade BL always has pairs of threads (apart from the gimps) but machine made laces more often than not have a single, thicker thread right at the edge of the footside. Brenda http://users.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ Supporting the [EMAIL PROTECTED] campaign - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
