Re: [lace] Re:square bobbin report - hitches

2005-04-02 Thread Laceandbits
In a message dated 02/04/2005 12:21:14 GMT Standard Time, 
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> I have to say - is that threads should *not* be too long, and the pillow 
> should look *tidy* - ie, with all the threads about the same length.  Some of 
> the class members are meticulous about this, others - and the lady concerned 
> - 
> just don't seem able to comprehend the need for it

But also, if her bobbins slip and lengthen all the time, this could be the 
reason her leashes tend to be too long, whether or not she understands the 
reasoning behind it.  

Have you tried shortening them all to the appropriate length (in the process 
checking that all her hitches actually are correct as I have known students 
who *can* do the correct hitch, especially when I'm watching, but don't 
necessarily achieve it 100%), and then working at her pillow for a reasonable 
length 
of time to see if you have any problem.  

If you can thus rule out a systemic fault, it only leaves something in the 
way the bobbins are handled.  As a correctly hitched bobbins should be stable 
with a straight tensioning, my guess is that she is in some way angling the 
bobbin to the thread and in this way unconsciously releasing a little thread 
each 
time she handles/tensions the bobbins.  Logically this might mean the workers 
slip faster than passives.  And in the same way as it is possible to 
deliberately release thread more easily from some bobbins than others, so some 
might 
react more sensitively than others to a slight mishandling.

Jacquie

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Re: [lace] Re:square bobbin report - hitches

2005-04-02 Thread Carol Adkinson
Alice and All,

I think we have tried just about everything suggested so far - just stopping
short of hurling the whole kit and caboodle across the room!The one
thing which I do try to get through - with varying degrees of success, I
have to say - is that threads should *not* be too long, and the pillow
should look *tidy* - ie, with all the threads about the same length.  Some
of the class members are meticulous about this, others - and the lady
concerned - just don't seem able to comprehend the need for it.   Perhaps
that could be the reason - or one of the reasons anyway.  We will see.   She
has just embarked on about a mile of altar cloth edging, so if she doesn't
get the threads and bobbins sorted, she is doomed to a lot of frustration, I
think.

So - we will keep on experimenting, and if anyone has any more suggestions,
please don't hesitate!   I may not be able to answer everyone personally,
but you are all greatly appreciated, as is the help!

Carol - in Suffolk UK - going to wind bobbins for the Sheringham Lace Day
Get-Together next weekend, the 9th April - always a good day, so I'll hope
to see lots of you there!

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[lace] Re:square bobbin report - hitches

2005-04-01 Thread Alice Howell
At 03:08 AM 4/1/2005, you wrote:
 We have tried extra
hitches, which works until one wants to lengthen the threads, winding the
'wrong' way ie. counter clockwise, and whatever the rest of the class
suggests but - no joyCan I prevail upon you all to give some answers 
to this?

First, hitching over the thread and not on the double top  can hold better.
Second, have you tried  a double loop on the hitch -- not double 
hitches?  In the previous instructions, it said to loop the thread around 
the finger and then slide the loop over the head of the bobbin.  Try 
wrapping the thread twice around the finger before putting on the 
bobbin.  It's not two hitches, but a double loop on one hitch.  This is 
used by some of my friends all the time.

Third -have you tried drinking staws?  Cut a piece of plastic straw so it 
will fit the thread area of the bobbin, slit it lengthwise, push it over 
the wound thread and hitch.

How long a leash does this person use?  Having too long a leash can give 
too much slack to the leash and allow the hitch to loosen.  An old book I 
have said the leash should be the length of the bobbin.

Check the amount of thread on the bobbin.  A very full bobbin will come 
undone more than a partially full bobbin.  I had a student who wound the 
bobbins to the very limit, then chased bobbins frequently.

Maybe one of these will help.
Alice in Oregon -- who finished winding 139 pair of bobbins last night.  Whew!
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