Re: [lace] Replica Christening gown
Apparently there is a Honiton Christening Gown made for the Millennium. I am assuming that this is not that gown. Perhaps the new gown was made of antique pieces of honiton in the Royal Collection? Julian Julian Jefferson [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 24 Apr 2008, at 02:21, P A Lally wrote: Hi Helen As there is no longer a Honiton lace industry these days - only Hobby lacemakers, I suspect that it would be extremely difficult for even the Queen to commission lace to be made. It would certainly have be extremely expensive in order to entice lacemakers to part with their lace and as most people only do a few hours lace at one time, an overshirt with as much lace on it as the original had would probably take years to produce. Pieces that have been made for royalty in recent times have mostly been by way of a gift from the lacemakers of Honiton. Annette in Trentham Vic. Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Replica Christening gown
Annette wrote: As there is no longer a Honiton lace industry these days - only Hobby lacemakers, I suspect that it would be extremely difficult for even the Queen to commission lace to be made. It would certainly have be extremely expensive in order to entice lacemakers to part with their lace and as most people only do a few hours lace at one time, an overshirt with as much lace on it as the original had would probably take years to produce.Pieces that have been made for royalty in recent times have mostly been by way of a gift from the lacemakers of Honiton. From what I heard, lace made in Honiton, such as for Queen Victoria, might as well have been a gift for what the lacemakers were paid for it. Maybe UK lacemakers should offer to make some real lace for future use so we know it was handmade next time. I don't do Honiton but could make a motif in Bucks or Beds. Janice Janice Blair Crystal Lake, 50 miles northwest of Chicago, Illinois, USA www.jblace.com http://www.lacemakersofillinois.org/ www.landoflincolnlacemakers.com Check for class spaces, many are full. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Replica Christening gown
Hi Julian Yes you are right a Christening gown was made for the Millenium - 28 lacemakers were involved and the whole project took more than a year. The sprigs made included a large bow and wildflowers common in Devon. The sprigs are appliqued on to net and form the front panel of the dress. They are beautifully made but extremely sparse when compared to the royal christening robe. The Millenium robe is in Allhallows museum and has already been used by some new grand children of the lacemakers involved. If one panel of a dress needed 28 lacemakers working years imagine how long an accurate replica of a gown covered with lace would take! Annette in Trentham Vic. Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Replica Christening Gown
In a message dated 4/19/2008 7:02:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James wore a replica of the satin and lace royal christening gown, which was made in 1841 and had been used for every royal christening until this one. The new robe was commissioned by the Queen to preserve the original. Does anyone know if the replica has machine or handmade lace on it? Any details? Thanks in advance, Helen (in sunny-for-a-few-minutes-but-chilly Vancouver, BC on the west coast of mainland Canada). - Dear Helen and others interested, It is not possible to tell from the photographs on the various newspaper sites whether the replica has machine or handmade lace on it. It would be nice if they would exhibit both gowns at some time in future at Kensington Palace. For 9 large black and white photos of the lace (7 quite detailed of the lace, the others of Queen Victoria holding Albert Edward - Prince of Wales and of Princess Diana holding Prince William, plus a color photo of the skirt on book jacket cover), there is the following book, which you could borrow from InterLibrary Loan: Royal Honiton Lace By Elsie Luxton and Yusai Fukuyama Batsford ISBN 0-7134-5764-3, 1988 Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Replica Christening Gown
Hi Jeri, Thanks for sharing your knowledge, I always marvel at the talent we have on Arachne. I have the referenced book (Honiton being one of my favourite laces). I think it is a shame that no new lace seems to have been commissioned for the replica gown. I suppose we have to remember that for 99%+ of the public, they wouldn't notice the difference and it would certainly have been expensive and very time consuming to produce these days. From the photos I've seen, there seems to be lace around the top of the replica gown but the overlay for the skirt bit just seems to be net whereas the original had lace on there. Helen. On Wednesday, April 23, 2008, at 05:24PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 4/19/2008 7:02:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: James wore a replica of the satin and lace royal christening gown, which was made in 1841 and had been used for every royal christening until this one. The new robe was commissioned by the Queen to preserve the original. Does anyone know if the replica has machine or handmade lace on it? Any details? Thanks in advance, Helen (in sunny-for-a-few-minutes-but-chilly Vancouver, BC on the west coast of mainland Canada). - Dear Helen and others interested, It is not possible to tell from the photographs on the various newspaper sites whether the replica has machine or handmade lace on it. It would be nice if they would exhibit both gowns at some time in future at Kensington Palace. For 9 large black and white photos of the lace (7 quite detailed of the lace, the others of Queen Victoria holding Albert Edward - Prince of Wales and of Princess Diana holding Prince William, plus a color photo of the skirt on book jacket cover), there is the following book, which you could borrow from InterLibrary Loan: Royal Honiton Lace By Elsie Luxton and Yusai Fukuyama Batsford ISBN 0-7134-5764-3, 1988 Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Replica Christening Gown
In a message dated 4/23/2008 8:33:51 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I think it is a shame that no new lace seems to have been commissioned for the replica gown. I suppose we have to remember that for 99%+ of the public, they wouldn't notice the difference and it would certainly have been expensive and very time consuming to produce these days. Dear Helen and Others Interested, Well, we don't know from information available, yet. We do know from my eye witness report, and the reports of others on Arachne, that in an exhibit of Queen Victoria's most significant gowns, at Kensington Palace, several years ago - the curators displayed the Queen's wedding gown but put plain stiff machine-made tulle on the mannequin's head. Even people who knew nothing about lace who were in the gallery were questioning that she wore something so ordinary. If they did not make an authentic replica veil for exhibition, why would they make an authentic replica christening gown of real Honiton lace? By the way, detailed photos of the wedding laces are in the book I recommended in previous correspondence (for those who are curious). At the time of my visit to Kensington Palace, the Queen Victoria exhibit was in a gallery about double the size of my bedroom. In a huge gallery next door there was an exhibit of Princess Diana's clothing. One was an Empress, one was a Princess. Seemed strange to me. Jeri Ames Lace and Embroidery Resource Center **Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp0030002851) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Replica Christening gown
Hi Helen As there is no longer a Honiton lace industry these days - only Hobby lacemakers, I suspect that it would be extremely difficult for even the Queen to commission lace to be made. It would certainly have be extremely expensive in order to entice lacemakers to part with their lace and as most people only do a few hours lace at one time, an overshirt with as much lace on it as the original had would probably take years to produce. Pieces that have been made for royalty in recent times have mostly been by way of a gift from the lacemakers of Honiton. Annette in Trentham Vic. Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Replica Christening gown
If you really want to know if Honiton lace was used on the replica gown, you can ask: Public Information Office Members of the public seeking information about the Monarchy or Royal Family may contact the Public Information Office by post or by telephone. The office is unable to respond to enquiries submitted by e-mail. Public Information Officer Buckingham Palace London SW1A 1AA Tel (during working hours): (+44) (0)20 7930 4832 You can write to Her Majesty at the following address: Her Majesty The Queen Buckingham Palace London SW1A 1AA I contacted the agent of Linda Bassett, who played Queenie in Lark Rise to Candleford to find out if she really is a lacemaker or if she's just a very good actress, but didn't get a reply. Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Replica Christening gown
Hi all I found a couple of photos - one of the original gown http://members3.boardhost.com/Oranjes/msg/1208552739.html and one of the new replica gown http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=560768in_page_id=1770 The Daily mail article states that the new gown was made by the Queens dresser and Buckingham Palace's team of dressmakers. No mention of lacemakers. It looks to me as though the pattern of the original satin dress has been copied but without the Honiton lace overlay. Annette in Trentham Vic. Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Replica Christening Gown Again
Thanks to those who replied about my query re the new replica christening gown being used by the British royal family. As I suspected, there seems to be no evidence of handmade lace on it. I did think that we would have heard about it before now if any lacemaker had been commissioned to produce work for it. I do think it is a great shame though and sadly indicative of the current situation. I won't be pursuing any further enquiries but don't let that stop you all :-) Helen in Vancouver, BC on the west coast of mainland Canada where we seem to be having a repeat of yesterday's weather. - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace] Replica Christening Gown
Hi, I just noticed the following while scanning an article about the Queen's grandson being christened. James wore a replica of the satin and lace royal christening gown, which was made in 1841 and had been used for every royal christening until this one. The new robe was commissioned by the Queen to preserve the original. Does anyone know if the replica has machine or handmade lace on it? Any details? Thanks in advance, Helen (in sunny-for-a-few-minutes-but-chilly Vancouver, BC on the west coast of mainland Canada). - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace] Replica Christening Gown
There is a photo of the tot in his gown, and with his mum and dad here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/7354474.stm The lace - hard to tell what it is :( and in a older article about his big sis' christening, this mention: For the occasion, Louise wore the 163 year old honiton lace and white satin christening gown which was made for Queen Victoria's eldest daughter, Victoria, and is traditionally worn by all members of the royal family. So, if a replica, there could be handmade lace on it, but it would be new handmade lace, I would think. Perhaps a query directed to the Honiton Museum in Devon? On Sat, Apr 19, 2008 at 4:02 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: James wore a replica of the satin and lace royal christening gown, which was made in 1841 and had been used for every royal christening until this one. The new robe was commissioned by the Queen to preserve the original. Does anyone know if the replica has machine or handmade lace on it? Any details? -- Bev (near Sooke, BC on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) - To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
