Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Joy Beeson]

On 5/9/18 4:11 PM, Adele Shaak wrote:


However, when digital printers became available people
could use good-looking fonts that had proportional
spacing, and the double space was no longer necessary.


The double space is no longer necessary when fed to a proper
typesetting program that knows how to make an end-of-sentence.

But the double space became more necessary than ever when we
began writing text that would be displayed in a different
font and type size for every reader -- and a *proper*
typesetting program can deal with extra spaces.  Heck,
PC-Write, one of the very first word processors, had a
"remove extra spaces" button.

And if you want to feed the text to a typesetting program
that isn't that advanced, nothing is quicker and easier than
|find ".  "|  |replace". "|   |all|.

HTML looks like a way out when you are writing it, but HTML
fonts are only suggestions -- and in addition to readers who
say "Ugh!  Serif/sans serif type!  Click, ah, that's
better.", some browsers won't have the suggested font on
hand and will substitute whatever is available.

--
Joy Beeson
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.

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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Catherine Barley]

I too will not be changing the habits of a lifetime.  It also infuriates me how 
the pronunciation of so many words have now been changed by putting the 
emphasis on a different part of the word.  Even news readers on TV do I!  Are 
all these changes age related do you think?  

Catherine Barley UK where we have been enjoying glorious sunshine for days now!

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Subject : Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid  
quotations/apostrophes

I agree, habits of 50 odd years are very hard to break and I, for one, 
will continue with double spacing no matter the software gurus.

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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Liz Roberts]

I was taught in typing class many years ago to put two spaces after periods and 
other punctuation as well. I only learned of the new trend of one space in the 
last few years when I began to attend groups for writers. It took some 
retraining, but now I prefer the one space as it's one less tap of a key. Lazy 
me. Haha


I agree a person should just do what they are used to when it comes to emails 
and social media. It's only when one plans to publish that this might become an 
issue. It's not like there are space police out there hanging around with the 
lace police to come down on offenders. 


Liz Roberts in sunny and hot Missouri where things are in bloom and pollen is 
popping out all over. 

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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Bev Walker]

Confessions of another old typist... I didn't find it difficult to change
space-space after full-stop to one space. Think of the finger strokes
saved! I had a situation as Adele mentioned, and that was a convincing
reason especially as putting two spaces after the full-stop changed the
desired paragraph format in an ugly way.
Lace content: It was a challenge to overcome, just like some aspects of
lacemaking.

This article discussing the science behind one or two spaces after the full
stop is amusing. Spoiler: Two spaces gets the nod .
*https://tinyurl.com/one-or-two-spaces-after
*


On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:14 PM Adele Shaak  wrote:

but I do know authors who have had to go through their 100,000 word
> manuscripts and take out every extta space..


bye for now
Bev, keyboarding and lacemaking in Shirley BC, west coast of Canada.

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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Tregellas Family]

I agree, habits of 50 odd years are very hard to break and I, for one, 
will continue with double spacing no matter the software gurus.

Now I'll get down from my soapbox.

Cheers,
Shirley T.  -  wintery, damp Adelaide  -  great that we've had some rain 
this last week.
>> Me too Jeri, I have been double spacing (as I was taught at Commercial
> school)
>
> When did the single spacing come in?  I shall continue to double space as
> was taught, it looks better to me.  How can you understand the meaning without
> apostrophes etc. It just doesn't make sense to me.
>
> Sue M Harvey
> Norfolk UK i
>

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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Lin Hudren]

thank goodness if we create a manuscript on a computer, we have "replace"
and can just type our usual way and then replace removing the second space
in bulk format.  i, too, learned on a manual typewriter way back when and
so am happy with my two spaces.  if i miss one, i go back and fix it.  LOL.


Hugs, Lin and the Mali

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On Wed, May 9, 2018 at 12:11 PM, Adele Shaak  wrote:

> With typewriters, daisy-wheel printers, and the other early technologies,
> each
> letter had to be given the same amount of space on the page. Two spaces
> after
> the period helped readers understand that a new sentence had begun, and so
> that was considered a good typing habit. However, when digital printers
> became
> available people could use good-looking fonts that had proportional
> spacing,
> and the double space was no longer necessary.
>
> How the double space progressed from 'not necessary' to ‘wrong’ I’m
not
> sure, but I do know authors who have had to go through their 100,000 word
> manuscripts and take out every extra space. So, go ahead and put in the two
> spaces (it is difficult to change your typing habits) but if you ever want
> to
> write for publication you should just use the one.
>
> Adele
> PS: I don’t do not think I should have to avoid apostrophes just to
pander
> to some stupid software developer who didn’t did not allow for them. :-)
>
> > Me too Jeri, I have been double spacing (as I was taught at Commercial
> school)
> >
> > When did the single spacing come in?  I shall continue to double space as
> was taught, it looks better to me.  How can you understand the meaning
> without
> apostrophes etc. It just doesn't make sense to me.
> >
> > Sue M Harvey
> > Norfolk UK i
>
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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Adele Shaak]

With typewriters, daisy-wheel printers, and the other early technologies, each
letter had to be given the same amount of space on the page. Two spaces after
the period helped readers understand that a new sentence had begun, and so
that was considered a good typing habit. However, when digital printers became
available people could use good-looking fonts that had proportional spacing,
and the double space was no longer necessary.

How the double space progressed from 'not necessary' to ‘wrong’ I’m not
sure, but I do know authors who have had to go through their 100,000 word
manuscripts and take out every extra space. So, go ahead and put in the two
spaces (it is difficult to change your typing habits) but if you ever want to
write for publication you should just use the one.

Adele
PS: I don’t do not think I should have to avoid apostrophes just to pander
to some stupid software developer who didn’t did not allow for them. :-)

> Me too Jeri, I have been double spacing (as I was taught at Commercial
school)
>
> When did the single spacing come in?  I shall continue to double space as
was taught, it looks better to me.  How can you understand the meaning without
apostrophes etc. It just doesn't make sense to me.
>
> Sue M Harvey
> Norfolk UK i

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Re: [lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Sue Harvey]

Me too Jeri, I have been double spacing (as I was taught at Commercial school) 

When did the single spacing come in?  I shall continue to double space as was 
taught, it looks better to me.  How can you understand the meaning without 
apostrophes etc. It just doesn't make sense to me. 

Sue M Harvey
Norfolk UK i

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[lace] Single space between sentences; avoid quotations/apostrophes

[Jeri Ames]

There are interesting problems. Tess told me last week that I should single
space at ends of sentences. I have been touch typing 65 plus years. Double
spacing is automatic. Will try to remember, but it looks weird.
 
Also, I noticed a while ago that the quotation/apostrophe key seems to result
in a bunch of black diamonds in messages, so am trying to use a dash to set
off book titles and spell out words instead of using apostrophes. Some will
slip through, but please know that I know, and am trying.
 
Please know that I also have a list of gmail users that I send blind carbon
copies to because not all gmail users  receive my postings. If you have this
problem, and wish to be on the bcc list, please write to me privately. It is
how I now make sure Devon, Karen T., Lorelei H., Jean Leader and others
receive mail from me.
 
It takes a lot longer to communicate, but the key word is communicate, is it
not?
 
Jeri Ames in Maine USA
Lace and Embroidery Resource Center
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In a message dated 5/8/2018 5:07:42 PM Eastern Standard Time, m...@shaw.ca
writes:
I have the feeling this is being caused by the special character that
Devon used ... I get a similar thing in Jeri's emails, because she
still used a double space between sentences, something most computers
don't like.

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