[lace-chat] Re: [lace] email problems.

[Joy Beeson]

On 3/15/16 9:39 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti wrote:


. . . .  I am one of the strange people Not on
Facebook, so I am glad of Arachne to keep me in touch
with everyone.


I am on Facebook, and find it useless for keeping in touch 
even though several people I know refuse to communicate in 
any other way.


Crossposted to Chat because this post is off-topic for Lace.

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Re: [lace] email problems.

[Joy Beeson]

On 3/15/16 9:39 PM, Elizabeth Ligeti wrote:


. . . .  I am one of the strange people Not on
Facebook, so I am glad of Arachne to keep me in touch
with everyone.


I am on Facebook, and find it useless for keeping in touch 
even though several people I know refuse to communicate in 
any other way.


Crossposted to Chat because this post is off-topic for Lace.

--
Joy Beeson
http://wlweather.net/PAGEJOY/
west of Fort Wayne, Indiana, U.S.A.

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[lace] email problems.

[Elizabeth Ligeti]

I have the Digest version of the list, so I think I get all the messages. I
certainly got Devon's, and her opinions on these  'shows'. I agree with her,
too! (isn't that nice? :) )  Hi, Devon!!

Missing emails are a pain, so if any of you are getting a lot of them from
this list, I can only suggest you go onto the Digest form.
Certainly, there are not as many messages, lately.  I am one of the strange
people Not on Facebook, so I am glad of Arachne to keep me in touch with
everyone.

Regards from Liz in Melbourne, Oz - where it is still "hot weather"!
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Re: [lace] email problems/Celtic demo

[Devon]

In fact, Avital was kind enough to guide me through the process of how to 
receive the gmail in the aol mail box.
Let's see if sending works from the iPhone. Apologies if it doesn't.

Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [lace] email problems/Celtic demo

[Ruth Lyon]

Devon, it's great to receive your email for the first time in ages!  Your 
messages have been going to my Junk mailbox due to the email wars, and I miss 
reading some of them, as well as Jeri's.  My gmail account is my secondary 
email account, and checking both accounts is no problem,  I find.  

I suggest that some of our aol and yahoo members consider getting  a free gmail 
account for Arachne messages and perhaps other mail lists.

Ruth Lyon
>From Iowa on a rainy pre-spring day

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 15, 2016, at 8:58 AM, Devon Thein  wrote:
> 
> I have bitten the bullet and started a gmail account. I was hoping not to
> complicate my life with more email accounts, but instead it seems that I
> have complicated other people's lives, so that isn't really fair.
> Brenda writes<< Irish crochet only developed in the mid nineteenth century
> - to loosely
> imitate other laces and to provide a small income to those who had not
> starved
> to death or emigrated because of the potato famine.  It�s a fairly recent
> tradition in just one area of the �Celtic� region, though it may, or may
> not,
> have been introduced to Ireland bu nuns from Spain.>>
> I would suggest that many or most of the folkloric activities at US ethnic
> festivals have their origins in the 19th century. For instance, Irish step
> dancing which is present in abundance in US Celtic festivals is thus
> described in Wikepedia.
> < points out that the earliest *feis* or stepdancing competition dates no
> earlier than 1897, and states: "Although the *feis* rhetoric suggests that
> the rules [for international stepdancing competitions] derive from an
> ancient past, set dances are a product of modern times".[2]
>  There are many
> styles of stepdancing in Ireland (such as the Connemara style stepdancing),
> but the style most familiar is the Munster, or southern, form, which has
> been formalised by An Coimisiún le Rincí Gaelacha (English: The Gaelic
> Dancing Commission), which first met in 1930. The Commission (abbreviated
> as CLRG), was formed from a directorate of the Gaelic League
>  that was formed during the
> Gaelic
> Revival  and codified the
> modern rules.>>
> Also, although Sally specifically asked about non-Irish Celtic laces (so my
> suggestion of Irish crochet it off point)  there is not a large immigrant
> population of Spanish Celts or Celts from Brittany in the US turning out at
> heritage festivals. Said Irish potato famine, and the disappointing
> profitability of Irish crochet as a livelihood resulted in a huge number of
> Irish immigrants in the US and their numerous descendants are about to dye
> their beer green and take to the streets in celebration of St. Patrick's
> Day. (My husband's grandmother was almost a third Irish.) Interestingly,
> people from Ireland travel to New York to attend the St. Patrick's Day
> parade because, as I am told, it is a more festive parade than those held
> in Ireland.
> Maire Treanor makes frequent sweeps through the US visiting Crochet groups
> and Irish heritage groups in equal number to teach Irish crochet and my
> understanding is that she is well-received as a transmitter of an important
> cultural heritage. So, I think a demo of Irish crochet would probably be
> well aligned with the spirit of a US Celtic festival. But, again,
> authenticity is not the only criteria for outdoors lace demonstration.
> My suspicion is that Sally was asking about bobbin lace in other Celtic
> regions because she specifically does not want to be crocheting a shamrock
> in the hot sun. It is nice to work with bobbins in field conditions because
> the hand sweating problem which can discolor the lace is not an issue.
> Whatever she decides to do, I hope Sally will send me a picture of her
> demonstration for the IOLI facebook page!
> Devon
> 
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[lace] email problems/Celtic demo

[Devon Thein]

I have bitten the bullet and started a gmail account. I was hoping not to
complicate my life with more email accounts, but instead it seems that I
have complicated other people's lives, so that isn't really fair.
Brenda writes<< Irish crochet only developed in the mid nineteenth century
- to loosely
imitate other laces and to provide a small income to those who had not
starved
to death or emigrated because of the potato famine.  It�s a fairly recent
tradition in just one area of the �Celtic� region, though it may, or may
not,
have been introduced to Ireland bu nuns from Spain.>>
I would suggest that many or most of the folkloric activities at US ethnic
festivals have their origins in the 19th century. For instance, Irish step
dancing which is present in abundance in US Celtic festivals is thus
described in Wikepedia.
 There are many
styles of stepdancing in Ireland (such as the Connemara style stepdancing),
but the style most familiar is the Munster, or southern, form, which has
been formalised by An Coimisiún le Rincí Gaelacha (English: The Gaelic
Dancing Commission), which first met in 1930. The Commission (abbreviated
as CLRG), was formed from a directorate of the Gaelic League
 that was formed during the
Gaelic
Revival  and codified the
modern rules.>>
Also, although Sally specifically asked about non-Irish Celtic laces (so my
suggestion of Irish crochet it off point)  there is not a large immigrant
population of Spanish Celts or Celts from Brittany in the US turning out at
heritage festivals. Said Irish potato famine, and the disappointing
profitability of Irish crochet as a livelihood resulted in a huge number of
Irish immigrants in the US and their numerous descendants are about to dye
their beer green and take to the streets in celebration of St. Patrick's
Day. (My husband's grandmother was almost a third Irish.) Interestingly,
people from Ireland travel to New York to attend the St. Patrick's Day
parade because, as I am told, it is a more festive parade than those held
in Ireland.
Maire Treanor makes frequent sweeps through the US visiting Crochet groups
and Irish heritage groups in equal number to teach Irish crochet and my
understanding is that she is well-received as a transmitter of an important
cultural heritage. So, I think a demo of Irish crochet would probably be
well aligned with the spirit of a US Celtic festival. But, again,
authenticity is not the only criteria for outdoors lace demonstration.
My suspicion is that Sally was asking about bobbin lace in other Celtic
regions because she specifically does not want to be crocheting a shamrock
in the hot sun. It is nice to work with bobbins in field conditions because
the hand sweating problem which can discolor the lace is not an issue.
Whatever she decides to do, I hope Sally will send me a picture of her
demonstration for the IOLI facebook page!
Devon

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Re: [lace] email problems/Celtic demo

[Brenda Paternoster]

Irish crochet only developed in the mid nineteenth century - to loosely
imitate other laces and to provide a small income to those who had not starved
to death or emigrated because of the potato famine.  It’s a fairly recent
tradition in just one area of the ‘Celtic’ region, though it may, or may not,
have been introduced to Ireland bu nuns from Spain.

Brenda
>
> One response to the moral quandary of lace demonstration at a Celtic
festival
> would be to make Irish crochet, if one had that additional skill set.
>

Brenda in Allhallows
paternos...@appleshack.com
www.brendapaternoster.co.uk

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[Agnes Boddington]

I think I get all the messages, so hopefully it also gets back to you and to
the list.
Agnes Boddington - Elloughton UK

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Sent: 14 March 2016 21:05
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] email problems/Celtic demo

Perhaps the first person who has an account that can read this email and
also
share it to the list will do so. I would be most grateful.
Unfortunately this email problem has been quite the deterrent to me posting
because some people get my post and then respond and others get upset that
they didn't...I am on several facebook page lists as Jane mentions. In fact,
I
am the editor of the International Organization of Lace's facebook page.
(IOLI
members, please send me news of your group with pictures!)
One thought is that the medium is the message, and the facebook pages with
their lavish picture possibilities become very visual, as in "look what I am
making", whereas, Arachne where it is considerably harder to share pictures
has been the discussion site of the philosophers of the lace world, tackling
the important intellectual issues that confront us.


For instance, I was dying to respond to the posts about the Celtic
demonstration. I, too, favor making a Celtic design. In addition, I think
that
if someone were to ask too many questions, one could divert into a
discussion
of linen production in the Celtic areas that would suffice until the person
lost interest and walked away. And yet, later, I know that someone will be
at
a cocktail party and hear another guest expounding on how important bobbin
lace making is in the Celtic culture because they have absorbed that lesson
from the Celtic festival. Hibernian societies will be puzzled when they are
contacted with questions about bobbin lace making and it will be our fault.


So, Clay's point that people demonstrating lace at Civil War battle
re-enactments does not serve the interests of education is well taken. It is
a
matter of pride with me that I can think of some kind of relationship to
almost any theme of a public gathering that would justify a demonstration
since we are so eager to demonstrate. But, I suppose a more realistic
scenario
would be to show Civil War women at home making lace to while away the hours
until their husbands returned, or didn't. I think it is quite likely that
there were people doing this at home, as a pass time, although, not at the
battlefield as Clay points out. But, the activities of women are often in
the
home and as a result, do not make such good outdoor festival subject matter.
Also, how are the women supposed to enjoy battlefield recreations? People in
Gettysburg have them yearly, and I am sure many couples would like to go
together. But roles for women are very limited. There were some women who
joined the army under the pretext of being men back in the day before
routine
physical examination was part of the intake process. Apart from that,
Laundress and Prostitute come to mind. But, they were probably rather far
from
the actual battle themselves, and their activities would probably only reach
full swing after the battle were over.


One question is whether such battlefield recreations, or Celtic fairs, are
primarily educational, or just a good excuse to get the kids out of the
house.
I am inclined to think that the organizers of such events are quite eager to
have some form of display/entertainment that doesn't involve selling
something. Many people do not don sun screen and costume to assemble in a
field unless there is a specific economic incentive. We lacers are a happy
exception to that rule.


Another interesting question is how educationally accurate any of these
events
are, since members of the public do not flock to scholarly slide shows, but
prefer a little more entertainment with their scholarship. In fact, even
museums are under pressure to provide a lot of entertainment with their
exhibits. Not long ago I went to a Genghis Kahn exhibit that was so weapons
oriented that at least half the attendees were teen age boys, a group not
usually well represented among museum goers.


One response to the moral quandary of lace demonstration at a Celtic
festival
would be to make Irish crochet, if one had that additional skill set.


Devon

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[Sue Babbs]

Forwarding the message, as requested

Sue

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-Original Message- 
From: lace

Sent: Monday, March 14, 2016 4:05 PM
To: lace@arachne.com
Subject: [lace] email problems/Celtic demo

Perhaps the first person who has an account that can read this email and 
also

share it to the list will do so. I would be most grateful.
Unfortunately this email problem has been quite the deterrent to me posting
because some people get my post and then respond and others get upset that
they didn't...I am on several facebook page lists as Jane mentions. In fact, 
I
am the editor of the International Organization of Lace's facebook page. 
(IOLI

members, please send me news of your group with pictures!)
One thought is that the medium is the message, and the facebook pages with
their lavish picture possibilities become very visual, as in "look what I am
making", whereas, Arachne where it is considerably harder to share pictures
has been the discussion site of the philosophers of the lace world, tackling
the important intellectual issues that confront us.


For instance, I was dying to respond to the posts about the Celtic
demonstration. I, too, favor making a Celtic design. In addition, I think 
that
if someone were to ask too many questions, one could divert into a 
discussion

of linen production in the Celtic areas that would suffice until the person
lost interest and walked away. And yet, later, I know that someone will be 
at

a cocktail party and hear another guest expounding on how important bobbin
lace making is in the Celtic culture because they have absorbed that lesson
from the Celtic festival. Hibernian societies will be puzzled when they are
contacted with questions about bobbin lace making and it will be our fault.


So, Clay's point that people demonstrating lace at Civil War battle
re-enactments does not serve the interests of education is well taken. It is 
a

matter of pride with me that I can think of some kind of relationship to
almost any theme of a public gathering that would justify a demonstration
since we are so eager to demonstrate. But, I suppose a more realistic 
scenario

would be to show Civil War women at home making lace to while away the hours
until their husbands returned, or didn't. I think it is quite likely that
there were people doing this at home, as a pass time, although, not at the
battlefield as Clay points out. But, the activities of women are often in 
the

home and as a result, do not make such good outdoor festival subject matter.
Also, how are the women supposed to enjoy battlefield recreations? People in
Gettysburg have them yearly, and I am sure many couples would like to go
together. But roles for women are very limited. There were some women who
joined the army under the pretext of being men back in the day before 
routine

physical examination was part of the intake process. Apart from that,
Laundress and Prostitute come to mind. But, they were probably rather far 
from

the actual battle themselves, and their activities would probably only reach
full swing after the battle were over.


One question is whether such battlefield recreations, or Celtic fairs, are
primarily educational, or just a good excuse to get the kids out of the 
house.

I am inclined to think that the organizers of such events are quite eager to
have some form of display/entertainment that doesn't involve selling
something. Many people do not don sun screen and costume to assemble in a
field unless there is a specific economic incentive. We lacers are a happy
exception to that rule.


Another interesting question is how educationally accurate any of these 
events

are, since members of the public do not flock to scholarly slide shows, but
prefer a little more entertainment with their scholarship. In fact, even
museums are under pressure to provide a lot of entertainment with their
exhibits. Not long ago I went to a Genghis Kahn exhibit that was so weapons
oriented that at least half the attendees were teen age boys, a group not
usually well represented among museum goers.


One response to the moral quandary of lace demonstration at a Celtic 
festival

would be to make Irish crochet, if one had that additional skill set.


Devon

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[lace] email problems/Celtic demo

[lace]

Perhaps the first person who has an account that can read this email and also
share it to the list will do so. I would be most grateful.
Unfortunately this email problem has been quite the deterrent to me posting
because some people get my post and then respond and others get upset that
they didn't...I am on several facebook page lists as Jane mentions. In fact, I
am the editor of the International Organization of Lace's facebook page. (IOLI
members, please send me news of your group with pictures!)
One thought is that the medium is the message, and the facebook pages with
their lavish picture possibilities become very visual, as in "look what I am
making", whereas, Arachne where it is considerably harder to share pictures
has been the discussion site of the philosophers of the lace world, tackling
the important intellectual issues that confront us.


For instance, I was dying to respond to the posts about the Celtic
demonstration. I, too, favor making a Celtic design. In addition, I think that
if someone were to ask too many questions, one could divert into a discussion
of linen production in the Celtic areas that would suffice until the person
lost interest and walked away. And yet, later, I know that someone will be at
a cocktail party and hear another guest expounding on how important bobbin
lace making is in the Celtic culture because they have absorbed that lesson
from the Celtic festival. Hibernian societies will be puzzled when they are
contacted with questions about bobbin lace making and it will be our fault.


So, Clay's point that people demonstrating lace at Civil War battle
re-enactments does not serve the interests of education is well taken. It is a
matter of pride with me that I can think of some kind of relationship to
almost any theme of a public gathering that would justify a demonstration
since we are so eager to demonstrate. But, I suppose a more realistic scenario
would be to show Civil War women at home making lace to while away the hours
until their husbands returned, or didn't. I think it is quite likely that
there were people doing this at home, as a pass time, although, not at the
battlefield as Clay points out. But, the activities of women are often in the
home and as a result, do not make such good outdoor festival subject matter.
Also, how are the women supposed to enjoy battlefield recreations? People in
Gettysburg have them yearly, and I am sure many couples would like to go
together. But roles for women are very limited. There were some women who
joined the army under the pretext of being men back in the day before routine
physical examination was part of the intake process. Apart from that,
Laundress and Prostitute come to mind. But, they were probably rather far from
the actual battle themselves, and their activities would probably only reach
full swing after the battle were over.


One question is whether such battlefield recreations, or Celtic fairs, are
primarily educational, or just a good excuse to get the kids out of the house.
I am inclined to think that the organizers of such events are quite eager to
have some form of display/entertainment that doesn't involve selling
something. Many people do not don sun screen and costume to assemble in a
field unless there is a specific economic incentive. We lacers are a happy
exception to that rule.


Another interesting question is how educationally accurate any of these events
are, since members of the public do not flock to scholarly slide shows, but
prefer a little more entertainment with their scholarship. In fact, even
museums are under pressure to provide a lot of entertainment with their
exhibits. Not long ago I went to a Genghis Kahn exhibit that was so weapons
oriented that at least half the attendees were teen age boys, a group not
usually well represented among museum goers.


One response to the moral quandary of lace demonstration at a Celtic festival
would be to make Irish crochet, if one had that additional skill set.


Devon

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[lace] email problems

[Francis Busschaert]

hallo to all
i see here  panic reactions of people seeking to contact us
well several i have not had any email from
we do have firewalls whom do filter out several types of emails
and unfortunatly for those using hotmails, yahoo and other kinds of 
rubish  email systems

that are the ones whom are mostly filtered out
sorry for that but also not sorry  i am tiered of the lottery emails 
, the viagra emails , the enlargements of this or other parts of the 
body, the Kenian Zimbabwe  milions etc etc etc etc

if that is the cost of having emails lost so be it

also we must apologise to otherts whom sended emails and whom had no reply
we had a upgrade of the system whom did so good job that there was 
virtualy noting left on our computer

and because i am completly digitalblond..we c'est la vie
lukily i m a ginious on other levels.

besides this please do not forget that we were gone to Barcelona  and to 
Tonder all in 2 weeks time


so for al those wanting to have answers to their questions
please reemail all and we will begin whit a tabula rasa

many many kind regards


francis

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