[lace] measure problems
Hallo to all i have an other question it is also knitting related on that knitting event in Holland were i found those lovely knitting needles i was also there as an seller of our threads and quite often we were confronted whit a question i did not directly had an aswer for they asked if it was laceweight, and other teminolegy concerning the thickness of the threads i have to say i m very good in conversions in Nm Nec linnen wool deniers etc but thatone is again an other kind of mesurements i did not know i have googled for it but did not find until now a good conversion towards Nm or other known numbers i can relate to so i hope, as most of you are not only bobbin or needle lacers, but generaly whit a very broad horison in textiles and can be considered as the real genuan textile-maniacs / filo-maniac like myself (they say its a mental desease that keeps you from the streets) and so that you can solf the problem so is there any out in the virtual world knowing exactly how its working from those laceweight towards real Nm or Nec or den measures? or and that is what i have found until now onn the net they give a kind of fork/interval of numbers were that kind of thread could be pinpointed in many thax in advance francis kortrijk belgium the sun is shining the crocus flowers are getting open the first signs of summer - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] measure problems
Hello Francis, they asked if it was laceweight, and other teminolegy concerning the thickness of the threads A few years ago, I bought from you in Germany, at a DKV congress, 50% qiuviut 50% silk and I knitted a lace shawl with needles 3.5 mm. I would think this thread is laceweight but I know nothing about the Nm, Nec or den measures. Last year, in a museum in Quebec city, I was wearing that litlle shawl and a lady stopped me to say how beautiful and could not believe I had made it myself. Nice! Hope this helps, Nicole in Kirkland, Qc on a cold but very sunny day - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] measure problems
Hello Francis and everyone there doesn't seem to be a standard measure for the knitting yarns in Nm etc., the measuring is comparative, that is to say, what size fabric you can knit. I found a general discussion here: http://knittingcrochet.suite101.com/article.cfm/yarnweight and a comparison by stitch gauge here (laceweight is 8 stitches per inch or more of a stockinette stitch sample) www.purlsoho.com/purl/products/*yarn*list Does this help? On Sat, Feb 28, 2009 at 3:58 AM, Francis Busschaert francis.busscha...@telenet.be wrote: so is there any out in the virtual world knowing exactly how its working from those laceweight towards real Nm or Nec or den measures? or and that is what i have found until now onn the net they give a kind of fork/interval of numbers were that kind of thread could be pinpointed in -- Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
RE: [lace] measure problems
Hi Francis, If you would like a good description of the various terms used by knitters for different kinds of thread, try the Halcyon website: www.halcyonyarn.com Look under Yarn by weight and you will see it described by yards/lb, yards/unit, wpi, and laceweight, etc. Sorry, there aren't too many metric terms there. Wish there were! This is where I go when I am struggling with yarn translations. Sally Four Corners, New Mexico Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2009 12:58:41 +0100 From: francis.busscha...@telenet.be To: lace@arachne.com Subject: [lace] measure problems Hallo to all i have an other question it is also knitting related on that knitting event in Holland were i found those lovely knitting needles i was also there as an seller of our threads and quite often we were confronted whit a question i did not directly had an aswer for they asked if it was laceweight, and other teminolegy concerning the thickness of the threads i have to say i m very good in conversions in Nm Nec linnen wool deniers etc but thatone is again an other kind of mesurements i did not know i have googled for it but did not find until now a good conversion towards Nm or other known numbers i can relate to so i hope, as most of you are not only bobbin or needle lacers, but generaly whit a very broad horison in textiles and can be considered as the real genuan textile-maniacs / filo-maniac like myself (they say its a mental desease that keeps you from the streets) and so that you can solf the problem so is there any out in the virtual world knowing exactly how its working from those laceweight towards real Nm or Nec or den measures? or and that is what i have found until now onn the net they give a kind of fork/interval of numbers were that kind of thread could be pinpointed in many thax in advance francis kortrijk belgium the sun is shining the crocus flowers are getting open the first signs of summer - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] measure problems
There are several different thicknesses of thread for making Shetland lace (a knitted lace) Different manufacturers call them by different names. Historically they all spun the yarn from Shetand wool, as it dresses well after making, and keeps its shape. I'm currently using one ply wool with 3mm needles. my next project will be much finer and made from a cashmere/silk mixture. I find Shetland lace makes a nice change from Bedfordshire Edith North Nottinghamshire UK - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
Re: [lace] measure problems
Hello Francis I too have Googled and found a few useful pages. The best one is: http://www.colourmart.com/eng/knowledge_base/knitting_properties other useful info at: http://www.kilkeelknitwear.com/new_page_19.htm (bottom of page) http://reviews.ebay.com/Machine-Knitting-Acrylic-Yarns-Weights-and- gauges_W0QQugidZ100935914 http://www.knitgrrl.com/?p=508 The problem is, most knitting yarns are made with crinkly fibres. This makes the finished yarn a bit elastic so that you can easily get the second needle into the loop on the first needle without having the stitches so loose that they fall off the first needle. It also means that there is a lot of air inside the yarn making it look thicker than it would otherwise be. If you try to make a wrapping to measure the wraps/cm (or wraps per inch/2.5cm for the thicker yarns) to compare with other known thread/yarn do you wrap loosely to keep the yarn in its relaxed state or pull hard to eliminate much of the air and get a result which matches something with a similar amount of fibres per metre but which is in reality much thinner? Another reason why you don't find many knitting yarns with a Nm or other number may be because synthetic fibres are less dense than natural ones. Nm is the number of 1000m hanks produced from 1Kg of fibre. If that fibre is significantly less dense, 1Kg will contain a lot more fibres and therefore make a longer length of thread. In 'from Source to Sink' Pat Earnshaw lists the various fibre specific gravities as: Linen 1.54 Cotton 1.54 Silk 1.30 Wool 1.32 Rayon 1.52 Synthetic 1.14 I decided not to include wool/acrylic knitting yarns in Threads for Lace partly because of the stretchiness problem, partly because so many knitting yarns are here-today-gone-tomorrow fashion yarns and partly because relatively few lacemakers use very thick yarns, though the numbers of us who do is increasing. Usually the lacemakers who do use knitting yarns are experienced enough to be prepared for some unexpected results! I have measured some of the plainer yarns in my knitting stash and am pleasantly surprised at how consistent the measurements are: 2 ply lace weight (Shetland) - 9 w/cm 3 ply baby yarn - (suits old size 12, 2mm needles for stocking stitch) - 8 w/cm 4 ply (fingering) (suits old size 10, 3.25mm needles for stocking stitch) - 7 w/cm Double knitting (suits old size 8, 4mm needles for stocking stitch) - 6 w/cm Aran weight (suits old size 6, 5mm needles for stocking stitch) - 5 w/cm I haven't tried winding the boucle, slubby, eyelash or other fancy yarns as the results could be all over the place! If you do find a woollen yarn with a Nm number it's likely that it is made for weaving. Weavers have similar problems to lacemakers in that setting up a loom with lots of warps takes time, and the thickness of the thread does have to be matched to the spacing of the warps in the heddle. Much the same as winding dozens of bobbins takes time and the thickness of the thread needs to match the scale of the pricking, so weavers too want to get it right first time. Also weavers generally choose fairly smooth yarns, just as most bobbin lacers choose smooth thread. Brenda On 28 Feb 2009, at 11:58, Francis Busschaert wrote: Hallo to all i have an other question it is also knitting related on that knitting event in Holland were i found those lovely knitting needles i was also there as an seller of our threads and quite often we were confronted whit a question i did not directly had an aswer for they asked if it was laceweight, and other teminolegy concerning the thickness of the threads i have to say i m very good in conversions in Nm Nec linnen wool deniers etc but thatone is again an other kind of mesurements i did not know i have googled for it but did not find until now a good conversion towards Nm or other known numbers i can relate to so i hope, as most of you are not only bobbin or needle lacers, but generaly whit a very broad horison in textiles and can be considered as the real genuan textile-maniacs / filo-maniac like myself (they say its a mental desease that keeps you from the streets) and so that you can solf the problem so is there any out in the virtual world knowing exactly how its working from those laceweight towards real Nm or Nec or den measures? or and that is what i have found until now onn the net they give a kind of fork/interval of numbers were that kind of thread could be pinpointed in many thax in advance francis kortrijk belgium the sun is shining the crocus flowers are getting open the first signs of summer - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com Brenda in Allhallows, Kent http://paternoster.orpheusweb.co.uk/index.html - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com
Re: [lace] measure problems (and qiviut/silk yarn :-))
-Original Message- From: Brenda Paternoster paternos...@appleshack.com ? .I decided not to include wool/acrylic knitting yarns in Threads for Lace partly because of the stretchiness problem ? To further illustrate this point, I just finshed knitting a narrow scarf from a Prism-brand yarn which was a combo of one strand of mohair and one strand of a satiny rattail type rayon.? The rayon rattail did not stretch at all, but as I knitted, even though I tried not to over-tension it, the mohair strand continually stretched and I ended up with a full five yards of the mohair strand left over at the end.? The two strands were equal in length when the skein was put together by the manufacturer, before the stretching which occurred during the knitting. ? Second pointNicole Gauthier in Kirkland, Quebec wrote:? A few years ago, I bought from you in Germany, at a DKV congress, 50% qiviut 50% silk and I knitted a lace shawl... ? 50% qiviut/50% silk laceweight yarn?Could there be anything better than that?? Is it still available, Francis??? I'd love some of that!! ? Vicki in Maryland, USA where we are finally expecting some snow this weekend!? (Yes, I'm happy about it! lt;ggt;) - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachnemodera...@yahoo.com
