Re: [lace] pattern and thread size
Thank you Brenda and Jane, I just printed it off bigger, following your suggestions. As it was a pretty small piece, the larger print still looks like it will work and comes up a bit like a large church window which was what I was looking for and I think will still fit inside one of those cards with a circular appeture. I do have Edition 5, but my old maths skills have sadly deserted me, so thank you both for coming to my assistance, g. Brenda, When you talk about the grid size between footedge and grid, I understand perfectly on a straight piece, how do I go about checking that on a bucks circular pattern? Looking at this I can see along the diagonal (which I am guessing is the grid, and straight across the piece which has a slightly wider gape. Obviously with the different angle of bucks verses the torchon examples in the book, its not so obvious to my poor little tired brain, g. Many thanks, Sue t Dorset UK Hi Sue If you have one of the later editions of Threads for Lace have a look at the thread wraps per space - page 8 in Ed5. The finer the thread the more leeway you have in the number of wraps/cm you have, but. for a Bucks (point ground) pattern using a 58 w/cm thread (slightly finer than Brok 100/2) the ideal space between footedge pinholes is 1.8mm. For a 40 w/cm thread (slightly finer than Egyptian 60/2) it's 2.5mm which is quite a bit bigger. 100% / 1.8 x 2.5 = 138.88 so you need to increase your pattern by 139% which is a lot. A4 - A3 increase is 141% which is only marginally bigger. Brenda - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] pattern and thread size
Hi Sue The various working angles of different Bucks patterns doesn't make a huge difference to the size of thread needed. A rule of thumb is that if you make a winding of 10 wraps it should fit snugly between two adjacent pinholes along the footedge (or two vertical pinholes within ground) for point grounds and a winding of 12 wraps should fit between two footedge pinholes for torchon if the thread is the right thickness. Is your pattern drawn over a straight grid? - so that you have to add and subtract pairs to get the circular shape. The diamond shape of four adjacent ground pinholes will be the same shape and size throughout the design. Or is it drawn over a logarithmic/computer generated grid which means that one group of four pinholes is a different shape/size to another group of four pinholes? If your pattern is of the latter type (any sort of lace) you just have to compromise and use a thread size to fit the average density of the pricking and/or go for the thickest that you can squash into the tightest/densest parts without it puckering up. I was told ages ago that the word used by the old Bucks lacemakers for this puckering/wrinkling was twippering. Brenda On 11 Aug 2011, at 10:19, Sue wrote: When you talk about the grid size between footedge and grid, I understand perfectly on a straight piece, how do I go about checking that on a bucks circular pattern? Looking at this I can see along the diagonal (which I am guessing is the grid, and straight across the piece which has a slightly wider gape. Obviously with the different angle of bucks verses the torchon examples in the book, its not so obvious to my poor little tired brain, Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
[lace] pattern and thread size
Hello Spiders, I have a pattern I like and want to make, its bucks but the original calls for Brok 100/2 which I dont have or anything else that fine. I dont mind using Egyptian 60/2 so can anyone tell me how much bigger the pattern might need to be, to take the difference. 39 wpc rather than 56 wpc. Many thanks Sue T Dorset UK www.hurwitzend.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
Re: [lace] pattern and thread size
Hi Sue If you have one of the later editions of Threads for Lace have a look at the thread wraps per space - page 8 in Ed5. The finer the thread the more leeway you have in the number of wraps/cm you have, but. for a Bucks (point ground) pattern using a 58 w/cm thread (slightly finer than Brok 100/2) the ideal space between footedge pinholes is 1.8mm. For a 40 w/cm thread (slightly finer than Egyptian 60/2) it's 2.5mm which is quite a bit bigger. 100% / 1.8 x 2.5 = 138.88 so you need to increase your pattern by 139% which is a lot. A4 - A3 increase is 141% which is only marginally bigger. Brenda On 10 Aug 2011, at 20:13, Sue wrote: I have a pattern I like and want to make, its bucks but the original calls for Brok 100/2 which I dont have or anything else that fine. I dont mind using Egyptian 60/2 so can anyone tell me how much bigger the pattern might need to be, to take the difference. 39 wpc rather than 56 wpc. Brenda in Allhallows www.brendapaternoster.co.uk - To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://community.webshots.com/user/arachne2003
