RE: [lace] instructions

[Lorelei Halley]

Absolutely, I agree with Alex.
Lorelei

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Alex Stillwell
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2017 4:38 AM
Subject: [lace] instructions

Many lace books are written with the patterns in a progressive order so that
patterns later in the book involve techniques already covered earlier in the
book so the last pattern may involve the majority of those explained
previously. If the pattern was sold as a one-off it would need the whole
book to support it. One-off patterns are just that, they are not teaching
books. I suggest you invest in a good instruction book and work through it
pattern by pattern, learning each technique thoroughly as you go. The lace
workers used to insist that a yard of each new pattern had to be worked in
order to learn the techniques and build up speed; I have found that, if
there are only 2-3 new techniques in a piece than 4-5 repeats are all that
are necessary. Once you understand the techniques you can make anything. 

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Re: [lace] instructions

[Malvary Cole]

When I first started learning (teaching myself from the old Golden Hands 
magazines), I heard about a lace workshop and went to see and to talk to the 
teacher.  She was whizzing round the room from student to student and for 
most of them the instruction was along the lines of "do cross twist cross to 
the next pin hole and then I'll be back" or whatever they were supposed to 
be doing.


When she had a moment and spoke to me I showed her what I had done - her 
response "Not very good is it.  Of course you can't do good lace if you 
don't use linen thread".  I admit it wasn't very good, I'd only been trying 
for about 2 weeks, but I did understand what I was doing.  When we formed a 
group a couple of months later, several of those ladies were stuck - didn't 
know what to do or how to do it; didn't know what the stitches were called; 
didn't understand the concept of finishing one motif before doing the next 
bit, etc. etc. etc.  The couple of ladies in the group who had perhaps made 
a little lace before the workshop had to help the others and it was several 
month before the bookmarks were even close to being completed in many cases.


Malvary in Ottawa where it is going from -6 this morning to +6 by this 
afternoon.  Nice bright sunny day.


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Re: [lace] instructions

[Sue Babbs]

I also think the way people learn to make lace is an issue.  I learned in 
England and was given a pricking and taught to look at the original lace / 
photo of lace and see what stitches were worked at each pinhole, and also 
taught how to start and finish in various ways. Written instructions and 
working diagrams were not provided.


Since moving to America, I have discovered that generally people here are 
not taught this way and expect complete working diagrams and detailed 
instructions for each piece, which facilitates working at home, but tends to 
make cause dependence on these instructions and does not readily enable one 
to carry the ideas from one piece of lace forward to another piece of lace.


This then means that it is much harder to share one's own patterns with 
other people readily, as it is much easier to produce a pricking than a 
working diagram


Sue

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Re: [lace] instructions

[catherinebar...@btinternet.com]

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Catherine Barley Needlelace
www.catherinebarley.com

> On 20 Mar 2017, at 09:37, Alex Stillwell  wrote:
> 
> Regarding instructions, many lace "patterns" don't seem to include them! Many 
> lace books are written with the patterns in a progressive order so that 
> patterns later in the book involve techniques already covered earlier in the 
> book so the last pattern may
> involve the majority of those explained previously. If the pattern was sold as
> a one-off it would need the whole book to support it.

I agree with Alex on this one as a great deal of thought goes into writing  a  
'how to/instruction book' and a good book will have patterns with instructions 
in a progressive order, each pattern building on previous  knowledge whilst 
introducing a new technique.

Catherine Barley
Henley-on-Thames, UK

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Re: [lace] Instructions

[Jean Barrett]

Good morning All,
To Dora and others who have been talking about beginners instructions 
for bobbin lace, some of the best and least expensive instruction books 
 fro the various lace techniques are those published by the Lace Guild 
in UK. You do not have to be a member of the Guild to buy them. Some, 
like Jean Leaders book on Bucks Point are compilations of a series from 
the magazine. Others were specially commissioned. Even for a fairly 
experienced lace maker they are very handy to check up on a particular 
point, if you haven't made that lace for a while. See the Lace Guild 
web site at
www.thelaceguild.org
Jean in Cleveland U.K.
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On Monday, June 30, 2003, at 03:04 AM, Dora Smith wrote:

Hey, I could really use some instructions on how to do bobbin lace.
Advanced patterns really won't do it.  I haven't been able to find any 
in a
single fabric or craft shop.

Dora

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From: Jane Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: [lace] Instructions

In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lorelei 
Halley
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
I don't think it is
reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic bobbin lace 
techniques
from a pattern published in the bulletin.

 Beginners should be
working through a book aimed at beginners, so that she or he can 
master
the
basic set of techniques that all lacemakers should learn.
I hope I am reading this wrong.  As a teacher, I introduce my students
to the magazines I have access to - with the hope that they will
subscribe/join the organisation - and likewise, when demonstrating
(usually for The Lace Guild) hope to gain new members.  How many 
times I
have heard a lacemaker say but I'm only a beginner.. as if the
magazines were *only* for the experienced, and that membership of
whatever guild or society is far beyond their reach.  This is, and
should be, far from the truth - though if the only patterns published
are for experienced lacemakers, because of the attitude that beginners
should be working through books it makes me wonder!  Books which often
too expensive for beginners' budgets will be available to them through
the libraries of the various guilds and organisations, and this is one
reason in favour of their joining - but if the magazine, which is what
they see as what they get in return for their subscription is way
above their standard, they are put off joining.

I do not subscribe to IOLI, but I do hope that as with Lace, (The Lace
Guild's magazine), the editor has a brief to include some patterns
suitable for beginners as well as the more advanced - simple patterns
are quite often more effective than the difficult, complicated ones -
and help to encourage new members at the stage in their lacemaking 
that
they need most support.  Maybe they are not learning new techniques 
from
the magazine, but using it to complement a book and give further
practice pieces - but there have been a number of people who have
successfully learnt new techniques in this way (Jean Leader's series 
on
Bucks Point, published in Lace before the book was compiled, is a very
solid example).  Not everyone has access to a teacher, or another live
lacemaker, and in these cases a magazine can be a lifeline.

One of the reasons why I like the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette is that 
it
is one of the few that doesn't make a beginner run a mile!

--
Jane Partridge
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Re: [lace] Instructions

[Dora Smith]

Hey, I could really use some instructions on how to do bobbin lace.
Advanced patterns really won't do it.  I haven't been able to find any in a
single fabric or craft shop.

Dora

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From: Jane Partridge [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2003 6:05 PM
Subject: [lace] Instructions


 In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lorelei Halley
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes
  I don't think it is
 reasonable for a beginner to expect to learn basic bobbin lace techniques
 from a pattern published in the bulletin.

   Beginners should be
 working through a book aimed at beginners, so that she or he can master
the
 basic set of techniques that all lacemakers should learn.

 I hope I am reading this wrong.  As a teacher, I introduce my students
 to the magazines I have access to - with the hope that they will
 subscribe/join the organisation - and likewise, when demonstrating
 (usually for The Lace Guild) hope to gain new members.  How many times I
 have heard a lacemaker say but I'm only a beginner.. as if the
 magazines were *only* for the experienced, and that membership of
 whatever guild or society is far beyond their reach.  This is, and
 should be, far from the truth - though if the only patterns published
 are for experienced lacemakers, because of the attitude that beginners
 should be working through books it makes me wonder!  Books which often
 too expensive for beginners' budgets will be available to them through
 the libraries of the various guilds and organisations, and this is one
 reason in favour of their joining - but if the magazine, which is what
 they see as what they get in return for their subscription is way
 above their standard, they are put off joining.

 I do not subscribe to IOLI, but I do hope that as with Lace, (The Lace
 Guild's magazine), the editor has a brief to include some patterns
 suitable for beginners as well as the more advanced - simple patterns
 are quite often more effective than the difficult, complicated ones -
 and help to encourage new members at the stage in their lacemaking that
 they need most support.  Maybe they are not learning new techniques from
 the magazine, but using it to complement a book and give further
 practice pieces - but there have been a number of people who have
 successfully learnt new techniques in this way (Jean Leader's series on
 Bucks Point, published in Lace before the book was compiled, is a very
 solid example).  Not everyone has access to a teacher, or another live
 lacemaker, and in these cases a magazine can be a lifeline.

 One of the reasons why I like the Canadian Lacemaker Gazette is that it
 is one of the few that doesn't make a beginner run a mile!

 --
 Jane Partridge
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