Re: [lace] 1850 lace pillow on eBay

2004-12-06 Thread Linda Walton
Thank you, Pat - that all makes sense now, and is about what I expected.

I'm afraid I've become very cynical about sellers on eBay since a teenager
of my acquaintance decided that his vocation in life is to be an eBay
merchant, buying cheap and selling expensive.  (This means he can sleep in
his room all day, play internet games all night, and need only take the
occasional walk to the post office in order to make his fortune - he
thinks!)

Linda Walton,
(idling at the computer,
in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
where she ought to be getting ready to chair a meeting).

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Re: [lace] 1850 lace pillow on eBay

2004-12-06 Thread roseground
I am happy to clarify my "involvement" with this pillow.

The seller (who I have never met but is a house clearer in Wales) e-mailed
me about 3 weeks ago, with the story about finding the pillow (they then
called it a "cushion")  in the house in the circumstances she is now
describing on e-bay. She asked for my views on how it could be disposed of;
they seemed keen to find a good home for it. At that stage I had only their
description of it. I replied as follows :

"We know of many people who are always in the market for good quality
bobbins. You should be aware though that there is a very large number of
run-of-the-mill bobbins that are reasonably easy to locate for the
enthusiast to choose from. What thay are looking for are the unusual and the
interesting.

"We need therefore to know a little more about your curious find. As the
Welshpool area (assuming you found it locally) was not one of the more
prolific lacemaking areas, it is not easy for us to identify the type and
potential interest. Do the bobbins have "spangles" - that is do they have
wired beads at their ends ? Are they made of wood or bone ?  Are they
decorated, do they have sayings/names/whatever engraved on them ?

"And the pillow (this, incidently is the correct term) - is it flat or
bolster shape. Is there a stand or other related equipment. Is there a piece
of lace in progress ? Is it on a "pricking" or pattern ? If so what is it
made of ?

"We are intrigued that there is only 20 bobbins. This is a small number for
most pieces and tends to indicate that the user was a beginner.

"A photograph would help but we may well be able to advise based on the
answers to these questions.

"Where can it be seen ? Based on this, we might well be able to put you in
touch with potentially interested lacemakers"

Following this, they sent me the photograph which you now see on e-bay.
Based on this we replied:

"The bobbins do not appear exceptional and are typical of large quantities
that are offered by specialist dealers for around 2.00GBP each. The pillow
would have some value additional to that. Overall, I would expect an
interested lacemaker might pay 30-40GBP but a dealer would, of course, pay
far less than this.

"When comparing prices you need to be aware that relatively plain, old
wooden
bobbins are relatively easily available. In greater demand are bone bobbins,
particularly those with sayings and/or names. These regularly sell for about
10GBP plus each (and can be much more for rare specimens).

"I can think of no lacemakers local to yourselves who would be interested in
making an offer - although I am sure they must be there somewhere !

"My advice would be to offer the lot on e-bay. This has a flourishing lace
bobbin section which attracts bidders from around the lacemaking world.

"Thank you for recognising this object as interest and a thing of some
interest to the right person. If there is anything else we can do to help
this happen, please get in touch."

You will note from this that at no time did I give an opinion as to the age
of the bobbins and/or pillow.

Subsequent to this, without further contact or advice from me, the seller
decided to list it on e-bay for 100GBP ! I was not impressed by this as they
had essentially ignored my advice. During the week of the auction they
reduced the offer price, received no bids and then relisted it at 10GBP!

I then mailed the lister and pointed out that over-pricing (against my
recommendation) had spoilt the sale. In addition, I reminded them that not
using the correct terminology. despite my advice on the subject, was not
helping. They replied in conciliatory fashion, corrected the terminology and
added the reference to myself without my permission (apparently in the
belief that they were doing me a favour). I repeat that I have not seen the
pillow, etc and not met the seller. I have no interest, directly or
indirectly, in the potential proceeds from the pillow and bobbins.

Having said all that, it does appear that the lot is worth consideration
starting from the now asking price. Buyers should however come to their own
opinion as to value.

Pat Hallam
Nottingham, UK
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Re: [lace] 1850 lace pillow on eBay

2004-12-06 Thread Linda Walton
Interesting . . . yes.

Last week I looked at some one hundred (or so) years old lacemaking
equipment in the Pitt Rivers Museum in Oxford, and it seemed different.  The
bobbins and beads in the eBay picture look much more modern, somehow.
Indeed, I believe I have a few just like that, and they are certainly not
more than 15 or 20 years old at most.

I agree, I have a feeling there's a lot of 'selling by suggestion', as
Tamara pointed out.  Thanking Pat Hallam for her advice, but not telling us
what it actually was, leaves the seller open to the accusation that it could
have been "the only way you'd ever get the price you want for that is to
invent a romantic provenance".

Yours cynically,
Linda Walton,
(in High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.,
where my spare bedroom is 'unused' - as a bedroom,
but contains come quite new items, intended as Christmas presents).


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> Interesting!
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Re: [lace] 1850 lace pillow on eBay

2004-12-06 Thread Eve Morton
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Barbara Joyce wrote:
> With a starting bid of GBP 45.00 and an indication that there was a
> reserve
> price on this item, which would not be met at that starting bid.
>
I saw this pillow when it was first listed and at that time the 
starting bid was GBP100, the price came down as there were no bidders. 
I think that sellers on ebay can change the description and presumably 
can also alter the asking price as long as there have been no bids.

Eve
London, UK.

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Re: [lace] 1850 lace pillow on eBay

2004-12-05 Thread Barbara Joyce
I know nothing about antiques, so I'm not making any subjective statements
on this item.

However, FWIW, this is a relisting. The original listing was at:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19319&item=8150188940

With a starting bid of GBP 45.00 and an indication that there was a reserve
price on this item, which would not be met at that starting bid.

On the relisting, the starting bid is GBP 10.00, but there is still a
reserve price. There is no indication whether the reserve price is still as
high as it originally was.

Barbara Joyce
Snoqualmie, WA
USA

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