Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum Lace Video from the Hensels

[Deborah]

They have not added this to their website. I did find these videos available
at The Lace Museum.


Deborah

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From: Jo Ann Eurell 
Sent: Nov 13, 2022 4:40 PM
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Subject: [lace] Chrysanthemum Lace Video from the Hensels

John and Kathy Hensel have just announced a new video in collaboration with
Sylvia Fellows. "Basic Techniques in Chrysanthemum Lace" has 3 � hrs. of
instruction and also instructions sheets with prickings. Sylvia's companion
book entitled "Chrysanthemum Whimsies" is also available. See their website
at
www.henselproductions.com.

Jo Ann Eurell
Land O Lakes, FL

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[Bev Walker]

Hello Susan

The 'Chrysanthemum lace' from Essential Vermeer is a classical lace from
earlier centuries, not the 'Chrysanthemum lace' referred to in the
Belleville book, and other current publications offering nice patterns for
mats and seasonal ornaments, e.g. hearts, Easter eggs, Christmas bangles.
Some free advice, you can be selective for your exhibit, aim for an
interesting overview about the laces your are confident in describing.

On Thu, May 25, 2017 at 6:42 PM, Susan  wrote:

> Thank you Jean!  Bobbi is definitely the Queen of Tonder lace!  As to
> Chrysanthemum, a connection with Bruges fits the "Flanders province"
> description on Essential Vermeer.
>
>

-- 
Bev in Shirley BC, near Sooke on beautiful Vancouver Island, west coast of
Canada

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[Susan]

Thank you Jean!  Bobbi is definitely the Queen of Tonder lace!  As to 
Chrysanthemum, a connection with Bruges fits the "Flanders province" 
description on Essential Vermeer.  Interesting too that description "b" under 
Bruges in Glynne is reminiscent of Chrysanthemum attributes:  tape-like lace, 
formalized flower heads & convoluted scrolls.  "At times plaited brides are 
doubled & ornamented with picots...".  However, I have never made Chrysanthemum 
lace so have no clue whether it is continuous or non-continuous--a significant 
feature that differentiates Bruges from Lille according to Glynne.  That could 
be a conflict that supports Nancy's citation of Lille.  It's amazing what one 
can learn by organizing a simple lace exhibit at the library!   Sincerely, 
Susan Hottle USA.  

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> On May 25, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jean Leader  wrote:
> 
> Susan,
> 
> Tonder bobbin lace (with a slash across the o) is definitely from Denmark - 
> ask Bobbi Donnelly who is teaching Tonder 
> 
> Chrysanthemum lace I’d never come across until I saw the book by Cathy 
> Belleville but I believe it’s related to Bruges lace which would possibly 
> make it Belgian rather than Dutch.
> 
> Jean
> ---
> Jean Leader
> www.jeanleader.net
> 

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[Susan]

Thank you Clare!  It was nice of you to consult your copy of the Belleville 
book.  According to the Vermeer site, it was "made in Flanders province for 
export to Holland.  Dutch lace is also called Cauliflower or Chrysanthemum lace 
because of the pattern."  Now you know why I was trying to track down another 
citation!  It would be interesting to know what other countries claim to be the 
origin of Chrysanthemum lace.  It certainly is sinuous.  Sincerely, Susan 
Hottle USA

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> On May 25, 2017, at 6:52 PM, Clare Settle  wrote:
> 
> The intro to Chrysanthemum Lace by Cathleen Belleville says that 'the history 
> of this lace is a mystery.  It is a relatively modern lace, having been 
> developed in the early to mid 1900s but its country of origin is widely 
> disputed.  Almost every European country claims to have invented it...'
> 
> Clare

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[Clare Settle]

The intro to Chrysanthemum Lace by Cathleen Belleville says that 'the history 
of this lace is a mystery.  It is a relatively modern lace, having been 
developed in the early to mid 1900s but its country of origin is widely 
disputed.  Almost every European country claims to have invented it...'

Clare

> On May 25, 2017, at 6:13 PM, N.A. Neff  wrote:
> 
> Hi Susan,
> 
> Tønder lace is indeed Danish as Jean says, a point ground lace derived from
> Lille lace from France.  This is what I read recently, I believe in the
> first part of Inge Skovgaard's The Technique of Tønder Lace. Bobbi
> Donnelly, as Jean says, is the expert on Tønder, would know if I have the
> right reference, and would be able to tell you if she agrees or not with
> the derivation from Lille.  I can give you Bobbi's email privately if you
> want--I don't think she would mind.
> 
> Nancy
> 
> Nancy A. Neff
> Connecticut, USA
> 
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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[N.A. Neff]

Hi Susan,

Tønder lace is indeed Danish as Jean says, a point ground lace derived from
Lille lace from France.  This is what I read recently, I believe in the
first part of Inge Skovgaard's The Technique of Tønder Lace. Bobbi
Donnelly, as Jean says, is the expert on Tønder, would know if I have the
right reference, and would be able to tell you if she agrees or not with
the derivation from Lille.  I can give you Bobbi's email privately if you
want--I don't think she would mind.

Nancy

Nancy A. Neff
Connecticut, USA

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[Susan]

Thanks Jean!  I saw the Belleville book online but would need to request it 
from IOLI library to see if it has historical info.  I just stumbled upon the 
Vermeer site & the Chrysanthemum reference.  I only knew about Withof & 
'sGravenmoer so this was a surprise that there might be an additional 
Holland-origin lace.  My Grandmother's family was from The Hague.  Too much 
lace to learn in one lifetime!  Sincerely, Susan Hottle USA

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> On May 25, 2017, at 4:26 PM, Jean Leader  wrote:
> 
> 
> Chrysanthemum lace I’d never come across until I saw the book by Cathy 
> Belleville but I believe it’s related to Bruges lace which would possibly 
> make it Belgian rather than Dutch.
> 
> Jean
> ---
> Jean Leader
> www.jeanleader.net
> 

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum & Tonder lace

[Jean Leader]

Susan,

Tonder bobbin lace (with a slash across the o) is definitely from Denmark - ask 
Bobbi Donnelly who is teaching Tonder at the IOLI Convention in July 
(https://internationalorganizationoflace.org/Conventions/2017Convention/Classes/amclasses.html)
 There could be whitework from Tonder but bobbin lace is what the small town is 
known for nowadays.

Chrysanthemum lace I’d never come across until I saw the book by Cathy 
Belleville but I believe it’s related to Bruges lace which would possibly make 
it Belgian rather than Dutch.

Jean
---
Jean Leader
www.jeanleader.net

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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum

[Mary L. Tod]

At 6:54 PM +0100 5/12/04, Jane Bawn wrote:
Tamara wrote

As far as I'm concerned, only two laces belong in that group:
Milanese and Chrysanthemum. And, of the 2, Chrysanthemum is iffy, on
the fence, as it were, since it uses only one decorated braid (and
that not always) and makes its (simple) fillings on the go...
I have heard and read about lots of different types of lace and since I have
been on this list I have discovered many more, but Chrysanthemum? This is
totally new to me and it's no good me googling as I will only end up
spending hours on gardening sites:-)
I am curous to learn more about this lace Tamara, why is it call
Chrysanthemum, or is that the obvious duh! question?  Are there any websites
available that show pictures that you could point me towards?
Jane, if you Google chrysanthemum and lace together, you will 
receive primarily links to web pages with Cathy Belleville's book. 
Her Webpage is here

http://www.bitbetter.com/lace/lace.htm

HTH,
--
Mary, in Baltimore, MD
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Re: [lace] Chrysanthemum

[Barb ETx]

This is great fun to do!
BarbE



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