[lace-chat] Plague/AIDS and other diseases
Tamara wrote: Even fairly recently the actual cause of death wasn't known. As recently as the late 1800s, my great grandmother died of 'apoplexy', which I understand is what we would now call a 'stroke' and even that's a layman's term which is subdivided by the medical profession. and I've nursed DH through several very severe cases of 'flu, and have never had 'flu myself, but my GP insists I have the anti-'flu jab every year because of a suppressed immune system. I don't often get a cold either. I've always wondered if it's because I survived pneumonia as a three month-old baby and that' given me some immunity. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: plague/was ewwww
Yes, I saw this program as well. I really should not have mentioned "urban legend" in regard to the plague survivor/AIDs resistant connection, because it is based on solid scientific evidence, or at least so it appeared in this program. The village of Eyam realized that they had been infected by plague as a result of some infected clothing that had arrived from London, or some such thing. Rather atruistically, they cut themselves off from the rest of the area, having a neighboring village leave food at some place outside the village for them. After plague had gone through the entire village and killed the majority of the population, those who survived were, per se, the survivors. Some had been ill and recovered. Some had not gotten the plague at all, even though they nursed family members who had it. They then married and had children, all of which appeared in the church records. A scientist tracked down some people in the village who were the descendents of the survivors and examined them. It appeared that many of them had a gene or two genes with mutations (defects- mind you, not superiorities) that somehow made it hard for the plague virus to latch on to the cells. Somehow they were able to tell that people who had two defective genes didn't get the plague or AIDs at all. People with one defective gene would get the plague or AIDS but would not be killed by it. Apparently, in them, the disease could latch on, but progressed slowly enough that the person's immunilogical defenses could defeat it. Excuse my non-scientific explanation of this. I am sure I haven't really stated the study very well, or the disease mechanism. But I found it fascinating, partially because we too have a genetic problem in the family that I am hoping we will someday see a solution to. The study was intended to discover why some people don't get AIDS or live with it for many years and why this is not true for others. The purpose of the scientist was to discover why this was so in the hope that the benefit might be extended to everyone. It was not intended to denigrate any groups. Devon To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] EWWWWWW
We were taught "atishoo, atishoo, we all fall down" as sneezing was a symptom followed
by collapse.
The bodies weren't burnt - they were buried in the plague pits in lime.
What a happy topic!!
Liz
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> Yes, I learnt "Atichoo" too!
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> Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia)
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> Jean Nathan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Dominique wrote:
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> more, people who died from the plague would be burned so as
> to reduce the possible spread of the disease ("ashes, ashes,
> we all fall down"). " >
>
> I was brought up with this line being "Atichoo! Atichoo! We all fall down.",
> which, without thinking why, I'd always assumed was sneezing before dying. I
> can't imagine why people would sneeze with the plague though.
>
> I don't know if countries other than England had the plague, but here at
> least bodies weren't burnt; they were thrown into large holes, known as
> plague pits. Plague pits are being uncovered today by
> archaeologists.
>
> Jean in Poole
Regards
Liz Beecher
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Re: [lace-chat] Re: EWWWWWW
I was always taught that it came to England FROM Europe rather than the other way round and this would make sense as we are an island so would be unlikely to have it just occur naturally. Anyone got any better knowledge of the 1400s as this is not my period - I'm better on the reoccurance in the 1660s when it certainly arrived here via the ships. Liz In a message dated 2/29/2004 8:43:37 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > But yes, the Plague spread far beyond England; I believe it decimated > Germany, for example. Of course, I have always had trouble keeping the > Plague and the 100 Yrs War apart -- both had been "detrimental to the > health" of Europe in general, and neither seemed to have > made much > difference to Poland... > > - > Tamara P Duvall > Lexington, Virginia, USA > Formerly of Warsaw, Poland > http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ Regards Liz Beecher I'm http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee";>blogging now - see what it's all about To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Plague History
Hello all, If I remember my history correctly, the plague arrived in England in 1348 (my studies are mostly of medieval England) through the arrival of a ship with ill crew members. The plague itself came from China and spread across the continent to the merchants of Europe who then spread it unwittingly. The plague was spread mostly by the bite of fleas from the rats that overran port cities. Naturally any sane flea would abandon a dead body for a live one. People spread the fleas (and the forms of the plague that were spread by human contact) when they fled infected areas. The numbers of dead are disputed by historians but range from 25 to 50 % of the population. All of the above information only refers to the Black Death of 1348 in England. The Bubonic Plague still exists but is now curable with antibiotics. Squirrels here (west coast of Canada) still carry the fleas, apparently, but I've never heard of a case being transferred to people. I've always wanted a t-shirt (even though I don't wear them) that reads "I survived the Black Death", but I'd have to chase down a few squirrels to justify it. Heather Abbotsford, BC Bright and sunny At 10:39 AM 01/03/2004 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was always taught that it came to England FROM Europe rather than the other way round and this would make sense as we are an island so would be unlikely to have it just occur naturally. Anyone got any better knowledge of the 1400s as this is not my period - I'm better on the reoccurance in the 1660s when it certainly arrived here via the ships. Liz To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: plague/was ewwww
On Mar 1, 2004, at 4:47 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A scientist tracked down some people in the village who were the descendents of the survivors and examined them. It appeared that many of them had a gene or two genes with mutations (defects- mind you, not superiorities) that somehow made it hard for the plague virus to latch on to the cells. A mutation is simply a change in the genetic "code". It's not good or bad in itself, it's just a difference. What makes a specific mutation good or bad is the environment. If plague is present, the mutation you're referring to is a positive alteration in the genetic code. If plague isn't present, it's a neutral change, unless it causes some problem in which case it would be a bad change. Somehow they were able to tell that people who had two defective genes didn't get the plague or AIDs at all. People with one defective gene would get the plague or AIDS but would not be killed by it. Apparently, in them, the disease could latch on, but progressed slowly enough that the person's immunilogical defenses could defeat it. In the case of the Plague gene, once copy is good, two copies is apparently better. If Plague is present, there would be a positive selective pressure for the gene, so it would tend to increase in frequency. Not all mutations of that sort are quite so universally beneficial. The gene that causes Sickle Cell Anemia is a similar sort of mutation, with one significant difference. Once copy of the SC gene gives on resistance to malaria but not Sickle Cell disease, two copies gives Sickle Cell Disease, and no copies leaves one susceptible to malaria. In the case of Sickle Cell, the ideal situation is to have one copy of the gene, since two copies and no copies lead to illness and possibly death. The gene will reach a point of frequency in the population that allows for the greatest numbers of individuals to have only one copy. Katrina To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] the plague
William Manchester, in his book 'A World Lit Only by Fire', discussed the spread of disease by explorers. About the Black Plague, he dates it's introduction to Europe as 1347, "when a Genoese fleet returning from the Orient staggered into Messina harbor, all members of its crews dead or dying from a combination of bubonic, pneumonic, and septicemic plague strains." Cherry Knobloch Camp Hill, Pa USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Secret Pal Thank You
Hello Secret Pal, The package arrived the middle of last week and the timing couldn't have been better. It was a real treat in a very busy time. My son is involved in a ballet that is performing this week and on the weekend. I have been sewing costumes constantly and driving him the 1-1/2 hours back and forth to rehearsals for the last couple of weeks. I had planned to send a thank you this last weekend but I ended up hardly being at home. I loved the snips. We had them at the theatre that I used to work for and I've meant to purchase a pair since then but never got around to it. The little honiton snowman bobbin is really cute and the needle kit has come at a good time as a couple of my other ones are slowly disappearing through the ballet. And I'm I real fan of maple syrup so I loved the candies. Thanks for brightening up my week, Cindy Rusak - in rainy Wisconsin To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] plagues etc.
For those interested in this subject, might I suggest reading "Plagues and Peoples" by William H. McNeill. It's a fascinating book on how various infectious diseases have evolved and their effect on the economies and politics of the time. The book gives a whole new slant on history in general. It even suggests that the Christian religion would not have taken off if it were not for some major plagues at the time.. making people rather desperate. The conclusion of the book has a rather ominous forecaste. The authour states that because Nature likes a balanced book, it is inevitable that there will be another huge plague. His reasoning for this comes from comparing human population with viruses, he called it "microparasitism" and "macroparasitism". No virus is going to be a success if it kills it's host. All our so-called "childhood" diseases were once major plagues but those viruses could only survive if they evolved into something less harmful. Anyway, it is an interesting book.Sharon on sunny but cool Vancouver Island To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Plague History
Isn't Botox derived from the Bubonic Plague? Lynn Scott, Wollongong, Australia To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Plague/AIDS and other diseases
On 1 Mar 2004, at 08:57, Jean Nathan wrote: Even fairly recently the actual cause of death wasn't known. As recently as the late 1800s, my great grandmother died of 'apoplexy', which I understand is what we would now call a 'stroke' and even that's a layman's term which is subdivided by the medical profession. She was in good company - that's what Charles Dickens died of too (in 1870?). It's Medway Register Office's most prized death entry! Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: "Ring around the rosies"/ dates
On 1 Mar 2004, at 01:35, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: I'm OK with 10.13 -- I know there are only 12 months, so the second date *has* to be the day. But, 9.8? It's my wedding date and the only way I can "decipher" the date engraved on my wedding ring is by remembering I was married in September, not in August. I grew up with a *logical* progression in dating -- from the smallest unit to the biggest (day, month, year). In fact, to make certain-sure that no mistake was possible, we used Roman numerals for the month (thus, my wedding occured on 8.IX.'73). The US convention of putting the month first, then the day, then the year, seems to have no rhyme or reason and trips me up every time. As Tamara says it's logical to work from smallest to biggest (or biggest to smallest). Times are always hh/mm/ss so why aren't dates /mm/dd? On a practical note - on the internet which is read by people used to doing things back to front, I always write the number and the name of the month - today is 01 March or 1st March. It may not be the format they are familiar with but it's clear what is meant. Does anyone remember what happened on 9/11/2001?That's 9th November 2001, a Monday so I guess I would have taught my Rochester class - unless it was half term. On the other hand 11/9/01 was quite dreadful. The only "excuse" for dating "the other way' round" seems to be derived from the phrase "September 8th" (and I have no idea what *its* origin might be), although the "8th of September" is equally viable (see the "remember, remember, the 5th of November..." A large proportion of old (English) parish registers record dates in the "September 8th" format Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: plague/was ewwww
On 1 Mar 2004, at 02:38, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: Genetically predisposed to withstand the onslaught of disease? Sounds a bit fanciful to me. For one thing, record-keeping in 14th c Europe was sporadic at best, when not dealing with the "creme de la creme" of society; you had a record of baptism and marriage and death, but, most of the time, not the cause of death. Oh to have records of baptism, marriage and death back to the 14th century! In England you're lucky if the records go back to 1538, the date from when they were supposed to be recorded. Many only date back a couple of hundred years. Brenda http://www.argonet.co.uk/users/paternoster/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Hunting
Begin forwarded message: From: T.H. Two moose hunters from Texas are flown into a remote lake in Alaska. They have a good hunt, and both manage to get a large moose. When the plane returns to pick them up, the pilot looks at the animals and says, "This little plane won’t lift all of us, the equipment, and both of those animals - you’ll have to leave one. We’d never make it over the trees on the take off." "That’s baloney", says one of the hunters. "Yeah," the other agrees, "you’re just chicken: we came out here last year and got two moose and that pilot had some guts: He wasn’t afraid to take off!" "Yeah", said the first hunter, "and his plane wasn’t any bigger than yours!" The pilot got angry, and said, "Hell, if he did it, then I can do it, I can fly as well as anybody!" They loaded up, taxied at full throttle, and the plane almost made it but clipped the trees at the end of the lake, then flipped, then broke up, scattering the baggage, animal carcasses, and passengers all through the brush. Still alive, but hurt and dazed, the pilot sat up, shook his head to clear it, and said, "Where are we?" One of the hunters rolled out from being thrown into a bush, looked around, and said "I’d say... about a hundred yards farther than last year..." - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: When God made Canada...
I seem to remember having seen this one before, but not in a longish while, so I hope it'll bring a chuckle at least to the newbies on the list. From: R.H. Once upon a time in the Kingdom of Heaven, God went missing for six days. Eventually, Michael the archangel found him, resting on the seventh day. He inquired of God, "Where have you been?" God sighed a deep sigh of satisfaction and proudly pointed downwards through the clouds, "Look Michael, look what I've made." Archangel Michael looked puzzled and said, "What is it?" "It's a planet," replied God, "and I've put LIFE on it. I'm going to call it Earth and it's going to be a place of great balance." "Balance?" inquired Michael, still confused. God explained, pointing to different parts of Earth, "For example, Northern Europe will be a place of great opportunity and wealth while Southern Europe is going to be poor; the Middle East over there will be a hot spot. Over there I've placed a continent of white people and over there is a continent of black people," God continued, pointing to different countries. "This one will be extremely hot and arid while this one will be very cold and covered in ice." The Archangel, impressed by Gods work, then pointed to a large landmass in the top corner and asked, "What's that one?" "Ah," said God. "That's Canada, the most glorious place on Earth. There are beautiful mountains, lakes, rivers, streams and an exquisite coastline. The people from Canada are going to be modest, intelligent and humorous and they're going to be found traveling the world. They'll be extremely sociable, hard working and high achieving, and they will be known throughout the world as diplomats and carriers of peace. I'm also going to give them super-human, undefeatable ice hockey players who will be admired and feared by all who come across them." Michael gasped in wonder and admiration but then proclaimed; "What about balance, God? You said there will be BALANCE!" God replied wisely. "Wait until you see the loud-mouth b..s I'm putting next to them" - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Deathbed confession
From: B.B. Jake was dying. His wife, Becky, was maintaining a vigil by his side. She held his fragile hand in the weak light, tears running down her face. Her praying woke him from his slumber. He looked up, pale lips moving slightly. "Becky my darling," he whispered. "Hush my love," she said. "Rest, don't talk." He was insistent. "Becky," he said in his tired voice, "I have something that I must confess." "There's nothing to confess," replied the weeping Becky, "everything's all right, go to sleep now." "No, no. I must die in peace, Becky. I... I slept with your sister, your best friend, her best friend and your mother." "I know sweet one" whispered Becky, "let the poison work." - Tamara P Duvall Lexington, Virginia, USA Formerly of Warsaw, Poland http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] botox
Botox is derived from the toxin secreted by the bacteria Clostridium botulinium. This toxin causes paralysis of the nerves and causes food poisoning, wound botulism and infant botulism. It is found worldwide. Botulism is treated with an antitoxin. Yersinia pestis is the cause of bubonic plague, transmitted by rodent flea bites or from handling an infected animal. In the U.S., 12-15 people get it each year, it's treated with antibiotics. Another form of plague, pneumonic plague is caused by the same bacteria but it's spread by inhaling the germ that is suspended in moisture droplets in the air (as in sneezing). Bubonic cannot be spread person to person, pneumonic can. Pneumonic is also of very big concern on the bio terrorism from due to this high degree of contagiousness. But the bacteria dies if exposed to sun or if it dries out. Cherry Knobloch Camp Hill, Pa USA To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] RE: plague/botox
Botullism I think. It temporarily paralyses the skin, and so takes away the wrinkles I understand. Cheers, Helen, Aussie living in Denver To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Botox
My son gets botox for spastic contractures of hemiparetic cerebral palsy, once every three months. Guess what, the effect lessens and **disappears** after a while! His shots had no effect last time and we are repeating with care to see if his body has habituated to the toxin. I'm not sure if this has to do with amounts given but his speech therapist told me that when botox has been used for speech pathologies, its effect diminishes so I know it is a phenomenon in the face too. Won't a whole class of vain people be surprised. Sue Ellen To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] St Catherine lace
Just read an article in my local paper on gardening, and it had a picture of a flower bush, wider tahn tall, with very pretty small blue flowers. they said it is called St Catherine's lace, and comes from one of the Southern States of the US, I can't remember which one. Any of you lacemakers has that in your garden? It rather sounds like a MUST for us, doesn't it? I'll enquire at my local nursery next time I go there. Helene, La Frogozzie from Melbourne, where the sun is still shining (mostly) and very hot, but the cool evenings and mornings make you feel like autumn is just round the corner! Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] the lacemaker at the Met
All you need to do is click on the "Search the collection" icon at the top of the page, then scroll down the page you get and enter The lacemaker under title of work, and you will get both works without having to worry about a very long address in 2 parts! Helene, the froggy from Melbourne, who has been taught to search in the most economical way... >Tamara and other dear web spinners, >When I clicked on the link, the Madonna & Child came up, but then I happened to notice that the end of the computer links were different, but the beginnings were the same... so the hyperlink (the part you click on) got you to the Modonna & Child, but to see the lace paintings you either need to do some careful cutting and pasting, or copying the rest of the link. For me, the cut in the hyperlink happened after "&mark" I needed to add the "=1&item=32%2E100%2E5" to see the first painting Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
