[lace-chat] Mandatory Draft
I received a message about this U.S. bill from my 16 year old son, who is obviously concerned about it. (I have put in the message he received below) I tend to check such things before forwarding them to anyone else, but it seems from the Urban legend website, that this is true, but that the bill is unlikely to pass for reasons stated on: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp If you aren't in favour of a mandatory draft, it is worth writing to protest against it Sue Babbs You probably won't hear much about this before the electionread it and weep Mandatory draft for boys and girls (ages 18-26) starting June 15, 2005, is something that everyone should know about. This literally effects everyone since we all have or know children that will have to go if this bill passes. There is pending legislation in the house and senate (companion bills: S89 and HR 163) which will time the program's initiation so the draft can begin as early as spring, 2005, just after the 2004 presidential election. The administration is quietly trying to get these bills passed now, while the public's attention is on the elections, so our action on this is needed immediately. Details and links follow. This plan, among other things, eliminates higher education as a shelter and includes women in the draft. Also, crossing into Canada has already been made very difficult. Actions Please send this on to all the parents and teachers you know, and all the aunts and uncles, grandparents, godparents. . . And let your children know - - it's their future, and they can be a powerful voice for change! This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at this website http://thomas.loc.gov/ Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long. If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft and they will be signing an agreement with the Canada which will no longer permit anyone attempting to dodge the draft to stay within it's borders. This bill also includes the extension of military service for all those that are currently active. If you go to the select service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this will effect our undergraduates, our children and our grandchildren. Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you feel about this legislation. www.house.gov www.senate.gov Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story. The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004. The pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft. www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December, 2001, Canada and the U.S. signed a "smart border declaration," which could be used to keep would-be draft dodgers in. Signed by Canada's minister of foreign affairs, John Manley, and U.S. Homeland Security director, Tom Ridge, the declaration involves a 30 point plan which implements, among other things, a "pre-clearance agreement" of people entering and departing each country. Reforms aimed at making the draft more equitable along gender and class lines also eliminates higher education as a shelter. Underclassmen would only be able to postpone service until the end of their current semester. Seniors would have until the end of the academic year.
[lace-chat] Mandatory draft
Sue, I expect there will be exemptions - if you're rich enough. I'd like to see a mandatory draft for government leaders to be sent to the front line instead of sitting in their cosy offices ordering lambs to go to the slaughter. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] FW: Wool Sack?
In a message dated 21/09/2004 19:46:50 GMT Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > I am wondering if anyone knows the answer to the following, my DH > has been trying to find out where is the "Wool Sack"? In the House > of Commons or the House of Lords, who sits on it? We have looked > up every reference book we have and can't find any references to > the "Wool Sack". > > We learnt about this when we were both at school, too many years ago, > now we can't remember. > > Jean in Newbury Jean, Did a search on Google for Wool Sack House of Commons and got this great link: http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/Pcommons.htm Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Mandatory Draft
On Sep 23, 2004, at 8:23, Sue Babbs wrote: I received a message about this U.S. bill from my 16 year old son, who is obviously concerned about it. (I have put in the message he received below) I tend to check such things before forwarding them to anyone else, but it seems from the Urban legend website, that this is true, but that the bill is unlikely to pass for reasons stated on: http://www.snopes.com/politics/military/draft.asp The website has last been updated in *May* of this year... As it says, things change quickly in war circumstances. And, although there may not be a mandatory draft *as yet*, some quiet "drafting of sorts" *has* been going on... This morning, I talked to a lady whose grandson, having finished his "contract" (in Iraq) was *not allowed not to re-enlist*; after his stint, he was sent home for a breather and more training, and is scheduled to go back, willy-nilly. The lady had voted for Bush in '00, but I met her at the local Democratic headquarters - hopping mad, and ready to plaster the neighbourhood with Kerry signs... And a friend forwarded me a note from someone about a young lady in National Guard who, unlike "some people" one could mention, *has* finished her commitment - also in Iraq. Got home, got married, got pregnant. Got *recalled*. The ship-out order has been postponed - she won't have to report back to active duty until after the birth of the child - but go she will, immediately after, unless we've pulled out of Iraq by then. So, we may not have a *draft* per se as yet, but we do have a lot of "trick cycling" already, because the army and the National Guard are way overstretched. In the meantime, what should have been done in Afghanistan *long ago* has not been done (and is likely to remain undone), because we're bleeding ourselves dry in Iraq, following the bee-in-the-bonnet idea of one man... And, *what a man*... :) The first, ever, US president with a *criminal record*... It's old hat and people change, you say? But, but, but... This is the man who runs on the ticket of being the rhinoceros who never changes the course, and who accuses his opponent of... change. http://www.roanoke.com/editorials/commentary%5C11098.html You probably won't hear much about this before the election I *bet* you won't; wouldn't be popular as a vote-gathering agenda. This legislation is called HR 163 and can be found in detail at this website http://thomas.loc.gov/ Just enter in "HR 163" and click search and will bring up the bill for you to read. It is less than two pages long. If this bill passes, it will include all men and ALL WOMEN from ages 18 - 26 in a draft for military action. In addition, college will no longer be an option for avoiding the draft [...] This bill also includes the extension of military service for all those that are currently active. Vide my two encounters today... If you go to the select service web site and read their 2004 FYI Goals you will see that the reasoning for this is to increase the size of the military in case of terrorism. This is a critical piece of legislation, this will affect our undergraduates, our children and our grandchildren. Please take the time to write your congressman and let them know how you feel about this legislation. www.house.gov www.senate.gov Please also write to your representatives and ask them why they aren't telling their constituents about these bills and write to newspapers and other media outlets to ask them why they're not covering this important story. The draft $28 million has been added to the 2004 selective service system budget to prepare for a military draft that could start as early as June 15, 2005. Selective service must report to Bush on March 31, 2005 that the system, which has lain dormant for decades, is ready for activation. Please see www.sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html to view the Selective Service System annual performance plan, fiscal year 2004. The Pentagon has quietly begun a public campaign to fill all 10,350 draft board positions and 11,070 appeals board slots nationwide. Though this is an unpopular election year topic, military experts and influential members of congress are suggesting that if Rumsfeld's prediction of a "long, hard slog" in Iraq and Afghanistan (and permanent state of war on terrorism) proves accurate, the U.S. may have no choice but to draft. www.hslda.org/legislation/national/2003/s89/default.asp entitled the Universal National service Act of 2003, "to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons (age 18-26) in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These active bills currently sit in the committee on armed services. Dodging the draft will be more difficult than for those from the Vietnam era. College and Canada will not be options. In December, 2001,
RE: [lace-chat] Mandatory draft
Of course, there will be exemptions. One can always get in the Air National Guard and then fail to follow through on the commitment. Anne in Austin TX Mother of an Army captain >-- Original Message -- >From: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "Chat" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [lace-chat] Mandatory draft >Date: Thu, 23 Sep 2004 18:42:31 +0100 >Reply-To: "Jean Nathan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Sue, I expect there will be exemptions - if you're rich enough. > >I'd like to see a mandatory draft for government leaders to be sent to the >front line instead of sitting in their cosy offices ordering lambs to go >to >the slaughter. > >Jean in Poole > >To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: >unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to >[EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: The Bronze Rat
I, myself, have never heard/seen this one before, though I'd bet it'd made rounds in the past, with the "cast" changed. Naturally, I like *this* version... :) From: C.B. A tourist walked into a curio shop in San Francisco. Looking around at the exotica, he noticed a very life-like, life-sized bronze statue of a rat. It had no price tag but was so striking he decided he must have it. He took it to the owner: "How much for the bronze rat?" "Twelve dollars for the rat. One hundred dollars for the story," said the owner. The tourist gave the man twelve dollars. "I'll just take the rat, you can keep the story." As he walked down the street carrying his bronze rat, he noticed that a few real rats had crawled out of the alleys and sewers and began following him down the street. This was disconcerting, so he began walking faster. Within a couple of blocks, the herd of rats behind him had grown to hundreds, and they began squealing. He began to trot toward the bay, looking around to see that the rats now numbered in the MILLIONS, and were squealing and coming toward him fast. Scared, he ran to the edge of the water and threw the bronze rat as far out into the bay as he could. Amazingly, the millions of rats all jumped into the bay after it, and all were drowned. The man walked back to the curio shop. "Ah ha," said the owner, "You have come back for the story?" "No," said the man. "I came back to see if you have a Bronze Republican." --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Late night political comments
I like it, when everyone gets hit; it's democratic :) From: R.P. President Bush spoke to the United Nations. The bad news, the nations are united against us!" --Jay Leno "President Bush addressed the United Nations General Assembly, defending the invasion of Iraq and promising that America will spend more on foreign aid. Bush opened the speech by saying, 'Every country gets a free car! Zimbabwe gets a car! Argentina gets a free car! Poland gets a free car!"' --Drew Carey "The President opened by declaring a victory in the 'War on Rather.'" --Drew Carey "Bush pointed to positive signs in Iraq, like how the economy is taking off, thanks to a booming car bomb business." --Drew Carey President Bush spoke to the United Nations. A little later John Kerry spoke at a live press conference that was seen around the world. And then Ralph Nader spoke to some people who were having lunch next to him at the International House of Pancakes." --Jay Leno At his big press conference, John Kerry introduced his four-point plan for Iraq. That was one point for each of his positions." --Jay Leno "Bush and Kerry have agreed to three debates. The first debate will cover the 1960s and the second debate the early '70s and in the third debate if there's time, some topical issues." --Jay Leno The vice presidential candidates will debate for 90 minutes, those are the guidelines. ... They'll debate for 90 minutes or until someone's heart gives out." --David Letterman "Even though President Bush is leading in the polls, they say John Kerry's greatest strength is that, when he's under pressure, he can turn things around. No kidding. Sometimes he does it in the same sentence." --Jay Leno What happened to John Edwards? You know, I thought you weren't supposed to go into your secret location until after you're vice president!" --Jay Leno --- Tamara P Duvall http://lorien.emufarm.org/~tpd Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) Healthy US through The No-CARB Diet: no C-heney, no A-shcroft, no R-umsfeld, no B-ush. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
