[lace-chat] S.P.Thanks
Dear Secret Pal, It was so exciting to get home after work today and discover a package!! The mice have yet to be sampled, but I am sure my grandson, who is staying with us at the moment, will assist me in taste testing them! The toys are just so cute, and I am looking forward to assembling them. Love the needlecase and thread... I am sure the thread would be just the right thing for the wings in the pattern you sent I have never seen a pattern like that before... the only needle lace patterns I have seen have been in books, so to have a sheet one like that is fascinating to me. I really laughed over the coaster, as some years ago now I gave a round tuit to my husband!! The bobbin is a delight, and I loved the wee card you wrote your note in... I have two cats, or should I say, two cats own me, and the picture on the card was lovely. Thnk you soo much, I am already looking forward to next month, and I have been so busy the time goes really quickly... I am sure this round will finish too soon. Happy lacing Maxine, from a hot and humid New Zealand, where we are having warm but damp days... but I must admit to not missing having to water the gardens. Life may not be the party we hoped for, but while we are here we might as well dance. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Whither US?
On Fri, Feb 04, 2005 at 11:30:13PM -0500, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: On Feb 3, 2005, at 1:01, Weronika Patena wrote: This is the first thing I've ever heard that I could seriously apply the adjective mind-boggling to... Really scary, too. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4225013.stm Yes, but only up to a point... It *is* scary, because those kids mouth off what they'd heard at home, which gives you an insight into what US (supposedly s much for liberty... All the while hating liberals g) *really is* - as bigoted as any other country. But you also need to adjust it for age group These are highschool teens. They've not been taught freedom of speech at home... Quite the opposite, they've been taught to keep their mouths closed and follow the party line. How many parents on this list, however liberal/progressive, have, never-ever, used the phrase: don't you dare speak to me like this! to a sulky child? The -accepted by necessity and excused by necessity - parental disregard for individuality is easily transfered to *other* authority, be it a priest or a president. ??? Since when do teenagers actually think this sort of parental behavior *is a good thing* and want more of it from the government in their adult lives?? You'd think it'd just make them even more against any authoritarian tendencies... And, of course, those kids may never get the chance to grow up into thinking individuals; the current administration does not encourage individual thinking any more than the Polish/USSR communist governments did... Fortunately, even under the communist government we ended up with a decent fraction of thinking people... Perhaps even more decent than usual, since it was so obvious that there was something wrong with the way the administration was doing things. Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Blonde joke
A blonde was terribly overweight, so her doctor put her on a diet. I want you to eat regularly for 2 days, then skip a day, and repeat this procedure for 2 weeks. The next time I see you, you'll have lost at least 5 pounds. When the blonde returned, she shocked the doctor - she had lost nearly 20 pounds. Why, that's amazing! the doctor said, Did you follow my instructions? The blonde nodded. I'll tell you though, I thought I was going to drop dead that 3rd day. From hunger, you mean? No!... from skipping. Noelene in Cooma [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.ozemail.com.au/~nlafferty/ To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Sailing record
Ellen MacArthur has just broken the round the world solo sailing record by, according to the BBC newsman, one day and eight hours. There's a crowd at Falmouth Harbour who, the BBC thinks, will remain there until she reaches Falmouth. The finishing line is in French waters. I admire her and can't even begin to imagine contemplating doing such a thing. Patricia in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Sailing record
On Monday, February 7, 2005, at 06:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: world solo sailing record by, according to the BBC newsman, one day and eight hours. I can't imagine doing this so quickly. Are you sure that she did it in under 2 days? Margot Walker in Halifax on the east coast of Canada To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Another perspective
As so often happens, less is more; this is one of the best howls I've heard in a long time, for all it's short... :) From: T.W. Transported to a surreal landscape, a young girl kills the first woman she meets and then teams up with three complete strangers to kill again. --A TV listing in a newspaper in California's Marin County, describing The Wizard of Oz -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Whither US?
On Feb 7, 2005, at 12:44, Weronika Patena wrote (in response to my message): ??? Since when do teenagers actually think this sort of parental behavior *is a good thing* and want more of it from the government in their adult lives?? You'd think it'd just make them even more against any authoritarian tendencies... You'd *think*... :) But, my experience has been otherwise. First, I'm talking about teenagers between 11-12 at one end and 16-18 at the other (in Polish, -teen starts after 10) - still within the run of the mill system, not the University (or Polytechnic, or any above-the-highschool-level schools, which are special in many ways). What I have observed - myself, my friends, my son, my friends' children - is this: the parents and the kids can fight - tooth and nail - on every issue under the sun. But ask them a question of *judgement* that is outside their direct interest/knowledge - something I tend to term philosophy/politics (are men or women better drivers? Are Whites, Asians, Latinos, or Blacks the smartest segment of the population? Abortion? Gay marriage? Gun control? Freedom of speech? Etc, etc)... Any and all of those issues they have never really given any thought to, because the immediate reality (is Amy gonna invite me to her b-day party, and will Bobby be there? If so, what sould I wear other than makeup?) is more important... Short term is where it's at when you're a very young human being, just beginning to think :) So, faced with big issues, they're likely to spout back whatever they'd heard - either the latest or the most often repeated. And home is where they hear it :) If home, school, church and government (TV) all agree, that's splendid, since it requires no thinking at all, just regurgitation, adjusted for hopefully, this is what you want to hear. If the're a discrepancy, they chose the view they've heard from the least objectionable parent... I was thrown into adulthood prematurely, but even I was unable to - totally - escape this paradigm; until I was 16, I was still fine-tuning my Mother's point of view (discarded my father's at 12, the government's at 6 - at my Mother's instigation - and never thought the church knew what it was talking about, having gown up as an atheist) So, I'm worried, but not unduly :) I think many of those kids - likely, as big a proportion as in the communist Poland - will end up thinking for themselves, albeit a tad later than we did :) At which point, some of them *may* refute what they'd learnt at their authority's knee. Bush's restrictive system may, actually, have the same backlash result in the long run that the communist goverment's did; it's so obviously *wrong*, people will start objecting on principle, even if they don't *quite* know what they're objecting to... :) I sure as sure was unsure what I was demonstrating against on March 8, 1968, until the reeling-drunk special forces invaded the University territory, and beat the s... out of us all... The *only time* it'd happened before in the U's 500yr history was when the Nazis did it, during WWII, which energised our opposition no end... g Of course, we did know our history (and its bizarre turns), while Americans don't seem to care about past lessons... :( PS Weronika... Nie mam jeszcze zarezerwowanego biletu wiec nie mam dokladnych dat, ale moj weekend w Kaliforni jest planowany na 16-17 kwietnia. Postaraj sie odwiedzic meza w tym czasie, zebysmy sie mogly - nareszcie - spotkac. Najlepiej we dwojke, na koronkarskie pogawedki, ale jesli nie, to w czworke (Ty z mezem i ja z synem) tez mozna... T -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Whither US?
On Mon, Feb 07, 2005 at 11:49:42PM -0500, Tamara P. Duvall wrote: What I have observed - myself, my friends, my son, my friends' children - is this: the parents and the kids can fight - tooth and nail - on every issue under the sun. But ask them a question of *judgement* that is outside their direct interest/knowledge - something I tend to term philosophy/politics (are men or women better drivers? Are Whites, Asians, Latinos, or Blacks the smartest segment of the population? Abortion? Gay marriage? Gun control? Freedom of speech? Etc, etc)... Any and all of those issues they have never really given any thought to, because the immediate reality (is Amy gonna invite me to her b-day party, and will Bobby be there? If so, what sould I wear other than makeup?) is more important... Short term is where it's at when you're a very young human being, just beginning to think :) So, faced with big issues, they're likely to spout back whatever they'd heard - either the latest or the most often repeated. And home is where they hear it :) If home, school, church and government (TV) all agree, that's splendid, since it requires no thinking at all, just regurgitation, adjusted for hopefully, this is what you want to hear. If the're a discrepancy, they chose the view they've heard from the least objectionable parent... I still find that unintuitive - my default response to most questions, if I didn't think about it, was to spout the *exact opposite* of whatever was most often repeated at home or in school... I still haven't managed to get rid of this attitude - I find myself having problems with completely harmless things (like a white wedding dress) just because that's how it's traditionally done. Reverse regurgitation doesn't require much thinking either... But I can believe that most teenagers choose the opposite route, if they don't have any basic world-view conflicts with their parents... I was thrown into adulthood prematurely, but even I was unable to - totally - escape this paradigm; until I was 16, I was still fine-tuning my Mother's point of view (discarded my father's at 12, the government's at 6 - at my Mother's instigation - and never thought the church knew what it was talking about, having gown up as an atheist) I was raised Catholic, but decided it makes no sense in early high school, which would indicate some thinking... Still had to go to religion classes until I turned 18, since my parents refused to sign the papers to let me not to. And my problems with the religion were mostly of the abortion, gay marriage, etc. sort, not of the church is boring and I don't see a point sort. Bush's restrictive system may, actually, have the same backlash result in the long run that the communist goverment's did; it's so obviously *wrong*, people will start objecting on principle, even if they don't *quite* know what they're objecting to... That seems very possible right now... Of course, we did know our history (and its bizarre turns), while Americans don't seem to care about past lessons... :( Their history doesn't seem to be nearly as painful, so it's probably harder to remember. Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Sailing record
Sorry if I misled people last night. My defence is that I ought to have been back in bed as I'm suffering from a full blown attack of sinusitis (thumping head, earache, sore eyes), the worst for years and the infection has descended so I'm coughing well, too. Jenny quickly clarified the situation. On the news this morning I heard she's only been able to sleep for about 20 minutes at a time for 70 days. I don't know how she does it. Patricia, sneezing and coughing, in Wales [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
