Re: [lace-chat] Re: [lace] Modern Art
Hi All, Many moons ago, when my two children were about ten years old (that makes it about twenty years ago - how old does that make me feel!) I *helped* when the junior school took the ten/eleven year olds to the Gallery - can't remember whether it was the Tate or the National Gallery! They were all doing 'modern art' at the time, and I was *not* terribly looking forward to a whole load of Picasso, I must admit. However, before we all went to view the pictures, we saw a film explaining the Picassos - what they were meant to represent, and how the artist went about it etc. - and after that, seeing the pictures with even that tiny bit of knowledge behind me made them more accessible somehow.I still wouldn't go so far as to say I liked them, or would have one on my walls, but I didn't dislike them as intensively. So - maybe if we were a little more 'educated' .But I exclude Damien Hurst's pickled cow'sheep/whatever, and Tracey Emin's bed from any of the above - as well as a pile of rubber tyres, which was also the subject of some exhibition or other some years ago! I remain a devotee of Turner and Constable, and other such pictures that look like places and/or people! - and the one thing that remains *very* vividly in my memory of the day at the Museum with the children -apart from most of them eating their packed lunches ten seconds after we got on the coach at 8.30 AM - is that delightful bronze of the dancer. It was a joy to see, and with my little gang of neo-sophisticates, we kept returning to see her! Carol - in Suffolk UK. Subject: [lace-chat] Re: [lace] Modern Art To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] Art in Poole
Hi All, Some of the things which are discussed in the name of 'Art' do tend to leave a lot of us benmused, don't they! I am having trouble imagining the plastic 'wind-chime' piano .. But - in the eastern region here, there has been a great deal of tutting and consternation about the sculpture by Maggie Hambling, which is placed on the pebble beach at Aldeburgh.It is, if I remember correctly, in memory of Benjamin Britten and/or Peter Pears, and lookes like huge shells, on the beach.From pictures I had seen, I was distinctly unimpressed but one Saturday morning, with very little else to do, I decided that we would trek the hour up the A12 road to see it. The day was bitterly cold, with the wind coming, I am sure, straight from the Russion steppes, and it was also threatening squally rain. However, as we had found it, we both trooped down to have a closer look.It is made in corrugated steel, and of course, is a lot larger than one can gauge from photographs, and although my Philistine husband said it looked like a galvanised shed blown over, and it would have looked a lot better had the weather been twenty degrees warmer, even he was quite impressed when we wandered all round it!I have to say I really loved it - the only criticism being that the words cut into the steel can be read from behind it, looking out to sea, not when you are looking towards it from the sea. But I don't know how that could have been overcome - I like to look out to sea, and see the words, but I'd also like to be able to see them from the other side . But a great experience, and I am really glad we have now seen it!And the fish and chips in the town, eaten in the car out of paper, went down a treat, and did a lot to cheer up my Better Half! Carol - in a very blustery but not-too-chilly Suffolk UK. Subject: [lace-chat] Art in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Possibly the most inhumane piece of art?
A piece of sculputure outside Nottingham's Playhouse theatre created consternation. It's a giant (6 metres across) concave mirror. Don't know if fears have proved correct - that the concentration of the sun's rays by the mirror would incinerate passing pigeons! Perhaps someone in Nottingham can comment. The amounts of money involved in these works of art is staggering. The mirror and money on: http://www.artscouncil.org.uk/aboutus/project_detail.php?sid=18id=167page= 13 Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [lace-chat] Re: British Royals
YIKES...church and state being joined here in the US??? REALLY SCARY!!! Bush is the scariest guy I know. Cearbhael -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tamara P. Duvall Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:00 PM To: chat Arachne Subject: [lace-chat] Re: British Royals On Feb 11, 2005, at 17:03, Margot Walker wrote: I like the separation of the political head of the country and the ceremonial head. The American presidential system combines the two, with the effect, IMHO, 'bowing and scraping' (ceremonial role) to someone who is really just a politician. Hear, hear :) Monarchy may be an obsolete institution but, when it's a *parliamentary* monarchy (like UK's), the royals are so hobbled, as to be purely ornamental (though I must say that the Danish princes are more ornamental than the British ones; those two are *yum* looking g) And, if you think it's money wasted to keep them in castles, etc, think of the stamps... Here, we celebrate every dead president willy-nilly at least once (Ronald Reagan has just surfaced; talk about wasted money), thus taking away the opportunity for other potential subjects (esp textiles g)... In UK, they plunk the - unobtrusive - Queen's profile in the corner, then go ahead and print wonderful stuff in the main body of the stamp... I'm just grateful that, unlike in UK, our head isn't permitted to be the head of the church as well as everything else (still... he's managed to shift us towards the idea of *The* church, which I don't like at all)... :) -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Art in Poole
Just been reading the local newspaper on line (too mean to buy it covers a very wide area and only a couple of articles are relevant), which reminded me of the hoo-har over art in Poole. We have the Arts Centre (art galleries, theatre, meting rooms, rehearsal space, etc) which was reburbished both inside and out and renamed The Lighthouse. I refuse to call it that - it hasn't got a light and can't be seen from the sea. We don't have rocks in the harbour for ships/boats to founder on - just mud to get stuck in outside the dredged channel leading to the quayside - so nothing needs lighting in the sea anyway. The roundabouts (traffic islands) throughout the town have been adorned with obsolete buoys, rowing boats, ships' anchors and other maritime objects, which is quite appropriate for a port. I'd happily class them as 'art' because they've been thought about. But then we have a couple of 'modern' proposals, which have got the public up in arms. One was for poles on a roundabout on an approach to the town which would make noise in the wind. Rejected because of public outcry at distracting drivers on an already dangerous junction. The second (which hasn't totally gone away yet) is for a white plastic piano suspended somewhere on Poole quay which will make tinkling sounds in the wind. Oh joy - very artistic and in keeping with a working port! Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
re: [lace-chat] British Royals and marriages
Personally, I think their time has come to quit altogether. There will always be an oppressive class sytem in Britain while the royals still exist. Umm, while I know there are haves and have-nots in every society, I really don't think that description applies to Britain any more. And I'm surprised that the rest of the world sees us like that. Not all the rest of the world - it is fascinating for me to read the various opinions - from those who live in England, to those on this list who once lived in England and are now in Canada, Australia or the US; also those who have no affiliation by citizenship - and folks like myself for whom the British Monarchy, while distant, has been in the undercurrent of my country. *parliamentary* monarchy (like UK's), the royals are so hobbled, as to be purely ornamental although they dedicate a lot of their time, and considerable profile (no matter how forced) to charity (and as someone else mentioned, are a boon to the tourism industry!). I like to think they play their charitable roles because they want to, as much as because they have to. It is a bonus if they are nice to look at, and have a charming personality, too ;) Di was one of the most watchable and tragic, even while alive - imagine having to live under a microscope - to be instructed in queenly ways, and trying to follow them, knowing your husband was off doing what he jolly well pleased. I don't buy it that she was manipulative - she was caught between a rock and a hard place, and she suffered. I would have admired the current pair if they had been discreet (and can't we do something about that hair). -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] secret pal thanks
Dear Secret Pal, Many thanks for the goodies that arrived this morning. Thank you for another lovely card which has already been much admired! My parcel has arrived in good time so don't worry about it being late !! Thank you for the bookmark sleeves, these are very welcome as I never seem to have one when I need one. Thank you also for the beautiful butterfly bookmark, this has been put straight to work in my current book. Thank you also for the picture frame and the keyring. My daughter has just moved in to her own house so I will put the keyring on her spare keys. I love the thread and will have to find a pattern that I can use this on. Many thanks also for the sweets which I have once again shared with DH. I hope that you have a lovely holiday and look forward to hearing from you on your return! Anne Nicholas Hanworth Middx. England To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] SP Thanks
To my Secret Pal, Thanks so much for my parcel. I promise not to open the envelope until my Birthday! I saw the dark chocolate and thought that I would give it to my Mum who is with me at the moment as she loves dark chocolate and I don't, but I thought I would give it a try. After all it was from my secret pal, and guess what... I actually really like it! We don't get that brand in Oz but I wish we did as I'd be eating more of it! Clancy and Lucy thank you for their treats. Lucy just gobbles them down so I have to ration them. The coin purse is just the right size to use with my bum bag and the cross stitch and cross word book is in my handbag ready for when I look after a friends daughter this week. When she has her nap the cross stitch and crosswords will keep me busy. Thanks for all my treats and enjoy your holidays. Janette To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] art
If you like big realistic art, how about Nina Akamu's interpretation of Leonardo da Vinci's horse? http://www.leonardoshorse.org I've seen the one at the Frederik Meijer gardens, and what can one say? It's enormous! Lynn Carpenter in SW Michigan, USA alwen at i2k dot com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: art
On Feb 12, 2005, at 20:33, Lynn Carpenter wrote: If you like big realistic art, how about Nina Akamu's interpretation of Leonardo da Vinci's horse? http://www.leonardoshorse.org I've seen the one at the Frederik Meijer gardens, and what can one say? It's enormous! Well, the one on the website is supposed to be only 8 feet; that's no more than most monuments of equestrian figures I've seen elsewhere. If you're looking at it from a street level it ought to be a bit bigger than life-size to be noticed. And then, you don't cast in bronze ordinary people (or ordinary horses) - they're out-size by definition... There's a statue of a king on a horse (Jan III Sobieski, in Vienna) in a little-used street (Agrykola) off one of the main drags in Warsaw, which had been a favourite of mine since I can remember. The horse is in a rearing position (it has a name, but I don't remember *that*, either), about to descend on a Turk writhing beneath its front hoove. The monument is set partways on a slope, up from the street, so, if you're standing close, all you really see is every vein (and other things g) on the horse's underbelly - more or less the Turk's perspective :)... *Of course* the statue is *large* (bigger than life-size)... It's trying to convey a) the fear of the Turk (look up a Percheron's belly from the ground, and you'll see what I'm talking about g) and, b) Poland's pride at the victory (we beat off the infidel, made quarter-moon-shaped pastry to commemorate the event, and learnt to drink coffee g) For a tour of Warsaw monuments: http://free.polbox.pl/p/psbor/pomnik.htm Sobieski is close to the bottom of the page - 13th or 14th from the top -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Re: Modern Art
On Feb 12, 2005, at 8:21, Carol Adkinson wrote: [...] before we all went to view the pictures, we saw a film explaining the Picassos - what they were meant to represent, and how the artist went about it etc. - and after that, seeing the pictures with even that tiny bit of knowledge behind me made them more accessible somehow.I still wouldn't go so far as to say I liked them, or would have one on my walls, but I didn't dislike them as intensively. So - maybe if we were a little more 'educated' . I agree about the education bit... Whenever I cut class as a child, I'd run and hide in a museum (I started with the Zoo, but it was farther away, and there were more catchers there, asking why you weren't in school, and dragging you to off to some official station; it wasn't safe g) so, by the time I was 14, I was pretty-well educated, even though spottily - I knew what I liked :) From childhood, I was totally in love with Greek and Roman sculpture and neoclassical immitations (but hated the paintings - like on urns and such?) at the one end of history, and with Chagall's paintings at the other end (via all things Baroque and Roccoco and Art Nouveau. And via Michelangelo's *drawings*, and Turner's paintings of *mist*, and and Rosetti knowing *precisely* the highly idealised yearnings of the early teen...) Oh, so many wonderful things to look at, if you have 5-6 hrs free at least once every second week g Asian art was a revelation too. But most of the Modern Art didn't sing to me (though Klee did, for some reason) and neither did the Medieval Art; I tended to fly through those rooms as if in fear of contagion :) Until I got to the U, and art appreciation was a required, 3hrs once a week course during my freshman year... We had to show up at the National Museum at 9AM, got a curator assigned, and off we went following a particular thread. Nothing new happened in the antiquity rooms... Most of the curators were as disgusted with the whole exercise as we were, so we all worked towards the common goal (let's get this over with). But, for the Medieval Art, we got a starry-eyed young *girl* - couldn't have been more than 4-5 yrs older than we were - who was determined to share the excitement :) Once she started pointing out why some figures were large and some small, why perspective didn't really *matter* (not that the artists of that era had no idea of how to present things in perspective - she showed examples to the contrary, in perfect perspective. Just off in a corner, being unimportant g)... Things began too live and breathe... Like Carol and her Picassos, I'll never *really like* Medieval Art - too much gore and pain for starters - but I don't *dislike* it the way I used to. Understanding breeds tolerance; ignorance breeds fear and hatred. Not only in art, either... -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of Warsaw, Poland) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] :) Fwd: Ordering Pizzas?
I probably should post this on lace; people who most need to see it do not deign to mix with the lace-chat hoi-polloi :) I've always known that the idea of privacy is self-delusional; even before the Internet explosion, when the government (*any* government, my darlings... Makes no difference who) wanted to track you, it did. It was a bit like locking the door to your house; a *dedicated* burglar could aways gain access, though a casual passer by might be deterred... But now, every Joe Schmoe can build a dossier on you too, to rival anything the government-sponsored (on your tax dime g) fellas do. And Joe Schmoe likes it, and does it with zeal - perhaps CIA and FBI and NSA and all the remaining secret agencies could save us all some money (not to mention notoriety) by buying the info off small businesses, instead of torturing it out :) From: R.H. http://www.adcritic.com/interactive/view.php?id=5927 On parallel (but relevant) trails... 1) Read (if you can) Bob Herbert's column in yesterday's (Feb 11) NY Times, titled Torture, American Style. It tells the story of a *Canadian citizen* (of Syrian origin) who was kidnapped from the Kennedy Airport (a layover on his way home from holidays), on Sept '02, and shipped (by US Special Forces, on a US special plane) to Jordan (and, later on, to Syria) for interrogation - officially, US frowns on torture (vide the current Abu Ghrabi and Guantanamo flaps); Jordan and Syria have no such reservations... The man was never charged with anything, but another man at his place of work was on the US watch list, which - so it seems - was enough to net this guy. He was released, 13 months later (October '03), because his interrogators concluded he was innocent - under torture, he'd confess to any- and every - thing but, otherwise, he seemed to be clueless any terrorist activity. What puzzles me is that it's an organisation called Center for Constitutional Rights which is suing US on behalf of the man; I'd have thought it would be *Canada*. US refuses to recognise the validity of the International Court in Hague, because we will not permit anyone but ourselves to jail/judge our citizens... To me, it seemed to be the case of on the thief, the hat is burning - ie being overly cautious, covering our butt before the match was lit, just in case... But, OK, nobody is gonna meddle with us, not even a legitimate court, if it ain't a US court... So, where do we get off kidnapping another country's citizen, and sending him to be tortured? Is that the kind of behaviour, perhaps, that we don't want the court in The Hague to get a whiff of? 2) Not facts, all fiction, but well-worth reading all the same... Henning Mankell, Before the Frost (Copyright 2002, as Innan frosten; English translation 2005) It's one of a series of mysteries which I have enjoyed for years. I never specifically look for the guy's titles (can't remember the name g), but pick them up whenever I came accross one... Slow action, somewhat oddball characters, but excellent writing (and translations), which can freeze your marrowbones on occasion (the scene is Ystad, in Sweden). This particular story is a story of a Christian fanatic, who sets up his statement on Sept 8 (my wedding anniversary; I *hate* that choice of date g) '01; he is foiled and the book, *essentially* (there's a coda), ends on Sept 11, with: something's happening in US... Book being written in '02, the author, obviously, did not dream of the '03 invasion of Iraq... Nevertheless, his take on the Christian terrorist is eerie in the extreme... The villain is a true believer in what he does; he believes that he's God's instrument following God's will, now that he's left all his ties and weaknesses behind. Hopes to be the 5th prophet, and is writing the 5th chapter of Gospel... Is willing to sacrifice everyone's life (including that of his own family members) on the altar of the higher goal. *As long as* he himself survives; it's essential that he survives, so that he can carry on his mission, even if the current set of disciples is exterminated (a necessary sacrifice, to his way of thinking). I read the book with a sense of recognition, fascinated and repelled at the same time: A man with a mission, directed (in his own mind) by God... A man who found himself and God after having been a failure in human relationshps... A man willing to sacrifice *others*, but making sure *he* survives to carry on his mission... A man who thinks that true Christianity can only be reached via the blood-shedding cleansing, carried out by the dedicated martyrs (like the Muslims he hates), destroying whatever *he* thinks is sinful... Etc, etc, etc... In Mankell's book, the guy's called Erik Westin... But, current political parallels apart, the book's is an excellent *mystery*, as always with Mankell. -- Tamara P Duvallhttp://t-n-lace.net/ Lexington, Virginia, USA (Formerly of
Re: [lace-chat] Re: Modern Art
About 20 years ago, my boyfriend of the time thought he would impress me with his knowledge of culture and take me to the tate gallery - this was our modern art gallery at the time. As we strolled around the gallery looking at 'art' that was moving more and more from anything I recognised we walked out of one gallery and turned sharply left into one of the linking corridors, I tripped over and completely measured my length. There I was sprawled down the corridor. A guard came up to me and helped me up (the boyfriend was just standing there moaning that I was making a scene - no he didn't last that long). The guard said to me, 'that's just dangerous' pointing to the pile of bricks I had tripped over. It was only when I was telling this to someone a few weeks later that they pointed out the tate had just paid hundreds of thousands of pounds for this new 'exhibit' that I'd so carefully observed Regards Liz in London I'm back blogging my latest lace piece - have a look by clicking on the link or going to http://journals.aol.com/thelacebee/thelacebee To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] British Royals and marriages
On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 14:57:55 -0800 (PST), Bev wrote: Di was one of the most watchable and tragic, even while alive - imagine having to live under a microscope - to be instructed in queenly ways, and trying to follow them, knowing your husband was off doing what he jolly well pleased. Actually, one of Di's complaints (and Fergie's) was that they received no instructions whatsoever on how to behave like a royal, so often made gaffes. I think Di was a quicker learner than Fergie, but was also more natural at meeting people of all kinds. I don't buy it that she was manipulative - she was caught between a rock and a hard place, and she suffered. I would have admired the current pair if they had been discreet (and can't we do something about that hair). I agree with that entirely - and the hair is apparently because that's how she had it when they met, and Charles won't let her change it (so the tabloids say!) At least she COULD change her hair, but there's not much she could do about her face. ttfn Jacqui Jacqui Southworth, Fleetwood, Lancs, England [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] NEW ***Spangled Birth Month Bobbins*** Larkholme Lace - Bobbin Lace Supplies, painted bobbins and tools,books www.larkholmelace.co.uk To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
