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For a full discussion of the post about the gas saving tips see the _www.snopes.com_ (http://www.snopes.com) urban legends site _http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp_ (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/household/gastips.asp) where the message, which apparently fused with the message about which oil companies not to deal with in March 2008, is discussed. It would seem that trying to buy gas early in the morning is probably not going to save you anything much for your effort. Especially worthy of note is the treatment of the suggestion that you not fill up if the tanks are being refilled. My husband used to work for an oil company and was highly skeptical of all the advice, so I ran it through Snopes and his opinions were very much in accord with those in Snopes. Devon. **Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch Cooking with Tyler Florence on AOL Food. (http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4?NCID=aolfod000302) To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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They had something on CNN last night. It said that this idea, atleast, does not work. Turning off the air conditionier and openning the windows also does not work - allegedly. Now, I know that when they evacuated Houston a couple of years ago cars running air conditioning had a much better chance of running out of gas. They had a few suggestions that allegedly do work. Some of them were strange.One was for everyone to get out and push the car. Not I'm kidding. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Janice Blair To: Dora Smith ; lace-chat Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips Not sure, but DH had heard that you should buy gas in the morning for the same reason. Me, I will be buying no matter the time when I see it at a cheaper price than it is in our area, which is $4.16 a gallon for regular. That is my excuse for driving to Rockford each week for my lace group as they have cheaper gas in the next county. Of course, my saving is probably eaten up by the gas I use to do the journey. :-) Janice Dora Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How well do these particular ideas work? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Janice Blair Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:57 AM Subject: [lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips From a friend and passing it on. My sister-in-law sent the following article with gas saving information. I think I had heard something before about the temperature of the gas, etc. Sylvie TIPS ON PUMPING GAS I don't know what you guys are paying for gasoline But here in California we are also paying higher, up to $4.25 per gallon. But my line of work is in petroleum for about 31 years now, so here are some tricks to get more of your money's worth for every gallon. Here at the Kinder Morgan Pipeline where I work in San Jose, CA we deliver about 4 million gallons in a 24-hour period thru the pipeline. One day is diesel the next day is jet fuel, and gasoline, regular and premium grades. We have 34-storage tanks here with a total capacity of 16,800,000 gallons. Only buy or fill up your car or truck in the early morning when the ground temperature is still cold. Remember that all service stations have their storage tanks buried below ground. The colder the ground the more dense the gasoline, when it gets warmer gasoline expands, so buying in the afternoon or in the eveningyour gallon is not exactly a gallon. In the petroleum business, the specific gravity and the temperature of the gasoline, diesel and jet fuel, ethanol and other petroleum products plays an important role. A 1-degree rise in temperature is a big deal for this business. But the service stations do not have temperature compensation at the pumps. When you're filling up do not squeeze the trigger of the nozzle to a fast mode. If you look you will see that the trigger has three (3) stages: low, middle, and high. You should be pumping on low speed, thereby minimizing the vapors that are created while you are pumping. All hoses at the pump have a vapor return. If you are pumping on the fast rate, some other liquid that goes to your tank becomes vapor Those vapors are being sucked up and back into the underground storage tank so you're getting less worth for your money. One of the most important tips is to fill up when your gas tank is HALF FULL or HALF EMPTY. The reason for this is, the more gas you have in your tank the less air occupying its empty space. Gasoline evaporates faster than you can imagine. Gasoline storage tanks have an internal floating roof. This roof serves as zero clearance between the gas and the atmosphere, so it minimizes the evaporation. Unlike service stations, here where I work, every truck that we load is temperature compensated so that every gallon is actually the exact amount. Another reminder, if there is a gasoline truck pumping into the storage tanks when you stop to buy gas, DO NOT fill up--most likely the gasoline is being stirred up as the gas is being delivered, and you might pick up some of the dirt that normally settles on the bottom. Hope this will help you get the most value for your money. DO SHARE THESE TIPS WITH OTHERS! WHERE TO BUY USA GAS, THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT TO KNOW. READ ON Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill
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Aren't walking and bicycling both more popular options in England than here? And isn't public transportation far better and far more publicly accepted as an actual transportation option? In the U.S., only the poor and students would be caught dead taking public transportation, except in New York City, where the middle class are sometimes caught dead taking public transportation but the rich never do. Here there are two badges of honor of any worthwhile human being - driving a car, and nto sharing housing, and people literally starve to maintain that standard of living. Also, the distances are much shorter in England than here. You can actually drive from Scotland to London in a few hours.I think half of England is within an hour's drive of London. Certainly two hours.In otherwords, you can drive halfway across England in the same time I can drive from one end of Austin to the other, and you could certainly drive across England in less time than I can drive from Austin to Houston. If gasoline ever reaches $8 a gallon here, I think there'll be a revolution. Either that or the population will finally learn how to ride bicycles. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sue Duckles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Dora Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lace-chat lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2008 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips Morning All Just thought about this... our petrol (gas) price currently stands at around 2.2US dollars per LITRE!! That's around 8 dollars per US gallon! And that's the cheapest petrol in the area at the moment! Our petrol varies between 1.12 and 1.30 UKP per litre for cheap unleaded petrol and diesel is between 1.25 and 1.45 UKPounds per litre! Sue in East Yorkshire On 1 Jun 2008, at 00:33, Janice Blair wrote: Not sure, but DH had heard that you should buy gas in the morning for the same reason. Me, I will be buying no matter the time when I see it at a cheaper price than it is in our area, which is $4.16 a gallon for regular. That is my excuse for driving to Rockford each week for my lace group as they have cheaper gas in the next county. Of course, my saving is probably eaten up by the gas I use to do the journey. :-) Janice Dora Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How well do these particular ideas work? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Janice Blair Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 10:57 AM To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips
Dora wrote: Also, the distances are much shorter in England than here. You can actually drive from Scotland to London in a few hours.I think half of England is within an hour's drive of London. Certainly two hours. Really? When I read what you said to DH he almost wet himself laughing. So why does it take me between 30 and 45 minutes to drive 7 miles from home to my lace group on Monday afternoons? It's reckoned that the average speed in towns is about the same as a horse and cart. To get to the annual lace fair at Havant from Poole, a journey of about 58 miles, takes about an hour, but that mostly motorway. Lands End (most westerly and almost southerly point of England) to John o Groats in Scotland (the most northerly part of the UK mainland) is estimated at 16 hours, but you'd be lucky to do it in anything like as quickly as that. We don't have the open space that the USA has. If gasoline ever reaches $8 a gallon here, I think there'll be a revolution. Why do you think we drive cars that can do 40 plus miles to the gallon? Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi All To follow what I just said... its a well known fact that when John Prescott was the Transport minister he publicly boarded a train to London to promote Public Transport... he got off at the next station (Hessle, 2 miles away) and drove there in his VERY large Jag!!! As for bikes... you can't buy one for less that 200 dollars... and the state of the roads would preclude one from riding on them for fear of being knocked down.. The vast majority of roads do not have footpaths (sidewalks) or cycle tracks and those that do are in serious need of repair! Maybe we need some changes somewhere... like Westminster? Sue On 1 Jun 2008, at 18:54, Dora Smith wrote: Aren't walking and bicycling both more popular options in England than here? And isn't public transportation far better and far more publicly accepted as an actual transportation option? In the U.S., only the poor and students would be caught dead taking public transportation, except in New York City, where the middle class are sometimes caught dead taking public transportation but the rich never do. Here there are two badges of honor of any worthwhile human being - driving a car, and nto sharing housing, and people literally starve to maintain that standard of living. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Okay, I couldn't resist getting replying to this! I now live on the west coast of Canada but before that I lived in Portsmouth on the south coast of England. When I used to work just outside Portsmouth, I cycled there but suffered several accidents of one sort or another and was happy not to have to do that any more once I could afford a car. My last job was mostly in New Malden in Surrey (near Wimbledon) which was a 65 mile drive. If I was on the road by 5:30 in the morning, I could do the trip in 45 minutes door-to-door as it was mostly motorway or dual carriageway (and no, I may not have stuck to the speed limit!) If I left much later, it could take up to 4 hours. Driving home on a Friday afternoon in the summer was a nightmare with all the traffic heading for the coast, even using 'rat runs' around Hindhead (the main slow area by the time I left). Until my job required me to work a lot of extra hours, there used to be a group of 4 of us who would commute - someone to talk to when you are stationary in a queue of tr affic! A lot of people use public transport in the big cities but outside it just isn't available a lot of the time. Growing up on the border of Bedfordshire/Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire, we had no bus service to our county town (Bedford - where I used to play hockey) or my school town (we had a special school bus) or most other places. There were a couple of buses to Cambridge if you were willing to walk to the main road to get to it. Now, my recently widowed mother, living in the same village, doesn't even have that level of service with public transport. There are no buses to the nearest railway station and the nearest taxi (and I would dread to think how much they would charge) is 5 miles away. I can't comment on all areas but the ones I am familiar with (and nearly all my family members live in rural areas scattered around the UK) have very poor or non-existent public transport available. My first summer job was in Cambridge and I went in each day by bus. Though it was o nly 15 miles usually, the trip would take over an hour as the bus wended its way around all the intermediate villages. Still, it was my only option at that time. People here in the Vancouver area talk about heavy traffic but I have never seen anything close to the traffic jams in England. Looking at a map and measuring distances is one thing, looking at what the roads are like and where the route takes you is another. Then you have to add how many people are trying to use the same route and the differences between England and North America become apparent. Here in North America I have had occasion to work (and commute) in Massachusetts, California, British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec and I have yet to witness anything like the traffic conditions in the UK (I worked in Edinburgh for a while as well). The 'grid system' in bigger towns and cities here also help getting through them as there tend to be alternative routes if there is an accident or something. One other comment - a US gallon is smaller than an imperial gallon. That doesn't mean that prices over here aren't a lot lower (and even more so in the US) but it is another factor to consider. Ever since I came here in 1997, it has worked out fairly accurately that I pay roughly the same price number-wise for petrol/gas as family members back in the UK, just with a different currency sign in front! As I said, I couldn't resist :-) Helen. On Sunday, June 01, 2008, at 10:54AM, Dora Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't walking and bicycling both more popular options in England than here? And isn't public transportation far better and far more publicly accepted as an actual transportation option? In the U.S., only the poor and students would be caught dead taking public transportation, except in New York City, where the middle class are sometimes caught dead taking public transportation but the rich never do. Here there are two badges of honor of any worthwhile human being - driving a car, and nto sharing housing, and people literally starve to maintain that standard of living. Also, the distances are much shorter in England than here. You can actually drive from Scotland to London in a few hours.I think half of England is within an hour's drive of London. Certainly two hours.In otherwords, you can drive halfway across England in the same time I can drive from one end of Austin to the other, and you could certainly drive across England in less time than I can drive from Austin to Houston. If gasoline ever reaches $8 a gallon here, I think there'll be a revolution. Either that or the population will finally learn how to ride bicycles. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Helen wrote: People here in the Vancouver area talk about heavy traffic but I have never seen anything close to the traffic jams in England. This reminded me of an occasion many years ago (50+) when my aunt, uncle and cousins visited us in England from Canada. My cousin was about 10 and EVERYTHING was 'bigger in Canada'. This got to be a joke after a while, and when we were talking about anything we just waited for Sue to say it's nice, BUT IT IS BIGGER in Canada. One day, they had been to visit some friends and had come back through the Dartford Tunnel at rushhour. They were very late arriving back at the house and when they came in, Sue looked around and said very earnestly - You know lots of things are much bigger in Canada than here, but I know one thing that is bigger here and that is TRAFFIC JAMS. Malvary who now lives in Ottawa and not far from the cousin mentioned above. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Well, OK, getting out Google Earth, which was hard because they made me update it, and naturally the new version doesn't work as well as the old version. England and Scotland together are 370 miles long and 200 miles wide, and it would fit in teh state of Texas twice. London is closer to Yorkshire than Austin is to Dallas. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Jean Nathan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Chat lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:51 PM Subject: [lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips Dora wrote: Also, the distances are much shorter in England than here. You can actually drive from Scotland to London in a few hours.I think half of England is within an hour's drive of London. Certainly two hours. Really? When I read what you said to DH he almost wet himself laughing. So why does it take me between 30 and 45 minutes to drive 7 miles from home to my lace group on Monday afternoons? It's reckoned that the average speed in towns is about the same as a horse and cart. To get to the annual lace fair at Havant from Poole, a journey of about 58 miles, takes about an hour, but that mostly motorway. Lands End (most westerly and almost southerly point of England) to John o Groats in Scotland (the most northerly part of the UK mainland) is estimated at 16 hours, but you'd be lucky to do it in anything like as quickly as that. We don't have the open space that the USA has. If gasoline ever reaches $8 a gallon here, I think there'll be a revolution. Why do you think we drive cars that can do 40 plus miles to the gallon? Jean in Poole, Dorset, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But I bet you were in good shape! I find I need to ride atleast 15 miles a day to stay even halfway slim. I've had a serious accident - they're ubiquitous in Texas, and you should see some of the disignated bicycle lanes around here! Download Google Earth, and then check out 1431. LOL. I kid you not. Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dora Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: lace-chat lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips Okay, I couldn't resist getting replying to this! I now live on the west coast of Canada but before that I lived in Portsmouth on the south coast of England. When I used to work just outside Portsmouth, I cycled there but suffered several accidents of one sort or another and was happy not to have to do that any more once I could afford a car. My last job was mostly in New Malden in Surrey (near Wimbledon) which was a 65 mile drive. If I was on the road by 5:30 in the morning, I could do the trip in 45 minutes door-to-door as it was mostly motorway or dual carriageway (and no, I may not have stuck to the speed limit!) If I left much later, it could take up to 4 hours. Driving home on a Friday afternoon in the summer was a nightmare with all the traffic heading for the coast, even using 'rat runs' around Hindhead (the main slow area by the time I left). Until my job required me to work a lot of extra hours, there used to be a group of 4 of us who would commute - someone to talk to when you are stationary in a queue of tr affic! A lot of people use public transport in the big cities but outside it just isn't available a lot of the time. Growing up on the border of Bedfordshire/Cambridgeshire/Hertfordshire, we had no bus service to our county town (Bedford - where I used to play hockey) or my school town (we had a special school bus) or most other places. There were a couple of buses to Cambridge if you were willing to walk to the main road to get to it. Now, my recently widowed mother, living in the same village, doesn't even have that level of service with public transport. There are no buses to the nearest railway station and the nearest taxi (and I would dread to think how much they would charge) is 5 miles away. I can't comment on all areas but the ones I am familiar with (and nearly all my family members live in rural areas scattered around the UK) have very poor or non-existent public transport available. My first summer job was in Cambridge and I went in each day by bus. Though it was o nly 15 miles usually, the trip would take over an hour as the bus wended its way around all the intermediate villages. Still, it was my only option at that time. People here in the Vancouver area talk about heavy traffic but I have never seen anything close to the traffic jams in England. Looking at a map and measuring distances is one thing, looking at what the roads are like and where the route takes you is another. Then you have to add how many people are trying to use the same route and the differences between England and North America become apparent. Here in North America I have had occasion to work (and commute) in Massachusetts, California, British Columbia, Alberta, Ontario and Quebec and I have yet to witness anything like the traffic conditions in the UK (I worked in Edinburgh for a while as well). The 'grid system' in bigger towns and cities here also help getting through them as there tend to be alternative routes if there is an accident or something. One other comment - a US gallon is smaller than an imperial gallon. That doesn't mean that prices over here aren't a lot lower (and even more so in the US) but it is another factor to consider. Ever since I came here in 1997, it has worked out fairly accurately that I pay roughly the same price number-wise for petrol/gas as family members back in the UK, just with a different currency sign in front! As I said, I couldn't resist :-) Helen. On Sunday, June 01, 2008, at 10:54AM, Dora Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Aren't walking and bicycling both more popular options in England than here? And isn't public transportation far better and far more publicly accepted as an actual transportation option? In the U.S., only the poor and students would be caught dead taking public transportation, except in New York City, where the middle class are sometimes caught dead taking public transportation but the rich never do. Here there are two badges of honor of any worthwhile human being - driving a car, and nto sharing housing, and people literally starve to maintain that standard of living. Also, the distances are much shorter in England than here. You can actually drive from Scotland to London in a few hours.I think half of England is within an hour's drive of London. Certainly two hours.In otherwords, you can
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Oh, Lord. Some things are universal? Yours, Dora Smith Austin, TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Sue Duckles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Dora Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Janice Blair [EMAIL PROTECTED]; lace-chat lace-chat@arachne.com Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 2:18 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] Fwd: gas saving tips Hi All To follow what I just said... its a well known fact that when John Prescott was the Transport minister he publicly boarded a train to London to promote Public Transport... he got off at the next station (Hessle, 2 miles away) and drove there in his VERY large Jag!!! As for bikes... you can't buy one for less that 200 dollars... and the state of the roads would preclude one from riding on them for fear of being knocked down.. The vast majority of roads do not have footpaths (sidewalks) or cycle tracks and those that do are in serious need of repair! Maybe we need some changes somewhere... like Westminster? Sue On 1 Jun 2008, at 18:54, Dora Smith wrote: Aren't walking and bicycling both more popular options in England than here? And isn't public transportation far better and far more publicly accepted as an actual transportation option? In the U.S., only the poor and students would be caught dead taking public transportation, except in New York City, where the middle class are sometimes caught dead taking public transportation but the rich never do. Here there are two badges of honor of any worthwhile human being - driving a car, and nto sharing housing, and people literally starve to maintain that standard of living. To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On 1 Jun 2008, at 18:54, Dora Smith wrote:? ? gt; Aren't walking and bicycling both more popular options in England gt; than here? And isn't public transportation far better and far more gt; publicly accepted as an actual transportation option? In the gt; U.S., only the poor and students would be caught dead taking public gt; transportation, except in New York City, where the middle class are gt; sometimes caught dead taking public transportation but the rich gt; never do. Here there are two badges of honor of any worthwhile gt; human being - driving a car, and nto sharing housing, and people gt; literally starve to maintain that standard of living.? gt;? ? LOL - but there are differences among places in the US, regarding public transportation. In Salt Lake City, after a lot of angry outcry by taxpayers over hte cost of a high-speed rail from the suburbs into the city, it has since been expanded because it is highly popular with the public. Everyone said no one would use it, but pretty much everyone does! The morning and evening commutes are full of people going to and from work, and I've never seen the trams empty, day or ngiht. The newer railway up to the university is also used a lot, and the system is being furthre expanded. Mind you, this heavy useage began before gas prices increased. We've had bus service all along, and a lot of people do use that too - not just the poor and students, but the tram (called Trax) is really very popular here and used by many across the valley. Regards, Ricki in Utah To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
