Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
Weronika, In the case of my 5-year-old, it was out of parental frustration. Last winter she couldn't put on the gloves by herself. It would take several minutes for me to get each of her fingers into a separate finger hole. She'd leave them on for a few minutes and then pull them off until she got cold again. Then I'd get to start the finger stuffing procedure all over again. The little gloves were so cute, but the mittens were just so much easier for me to deal with. Lisa Thompson in Dallas, Texas Weronika wrote: Can anyone explain why children always have to wear mittens and not real gloves?? To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
Weronika wrote: Can anyone explain why children always have to wear mittens and not real gloves?? Maybe it starts when a child is a baby - can you imagine a mother dressing a wriggly baby in tiny gloves with separate tiny fingers? Mittens do simplify the process. And the mother keeps on giving the child mittens until it's big enough to put its own gloves on or complain about the mittens? Just a guess ... Oh, OK, I've just read further in the digest, and see that other ladies have said the same thing. G I do remember having the string joining my mittens, and it was a very long string. There was a knot tied in the middle, making a big loop next to my back, to make the string just the right length. I don't think I ever minded the string, or having mittens. My mother used to make me fur-backed mittens, and gloves later on, using rabbit-fur, and I loved them. And why are fingerless gloves also called mittens? I'm thinking of the lacy, ladies', variety, with only just enough finger to be separate, and also the woolly kind worn by old men (including DH G) with just the fingertips missing, for fiddly work in the cold. Margery. [EMAIL PROTECTED] in North Herts, UK To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 09:18:28PM -, Margery Allcock wrote: Weronika wrote: Can anyone explain why children always have to wear mittens and not real gloves?? Maybe it starts when a child is a baby - can you imagine a mother dressing a wriggly baby in tiny gloves with separate tiny fingers? Mittens do simplify the process. And the mother keeps on giving the child mittens until it's big enough to put its own gloves on or complain about the mittens? Just a guess ... That all makes sense. I was wearing mittens long after I complained about them, but that might've been because you couldn't buy child-sized gloves in Poland when I was a kid... Well, or just because my mom believed kids should wear mittens g. They do keep you warmer, except when you're a 9-year-old who really cares about making good snowballs and so you take them off all the time to play in the snow, like I did... g Weronika -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
In my lexicon, those are mitts, not mittens! But different from oven-mitts -- Ah! but those are oven-gloves (even though they don't have fingers)!! Sue To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Sue Babbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes But different from oven-mitts -- Ah! but those are oven-gloves (even though they don't have fingers)!! I've always thought of oven mitts being singular, and oven gloves being the ones which are basically a strip of fabric with a padded pocket at each end - my oven mitt is basically a huge padded mitten. -- Jane Partridge To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
I never minded feeling like a child (I was the I never want to grow up type, and in fact still am to some extent), but I hated mittens too. Do really bad things to your manual ability. The string was mildly annoying, but not nearly as bad as the mittens themselves (plus, I did lose things a lot, so I realized it made sense). Can anyone explain why children always have to wear mittens and not real gloves?? Weronika On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:31:11AM +1100, Ruth Budge wrote: Dear Bev, Your question brought back memories! Let me say upfront that I understand the need for strings to connect mittens, especially for a young child, but as a young child, I *hated* having a string To keep my little hands warm in an English winter, I had a pair of fur mittens (my mother had fur gloves...and how I wished I had gloves too!), and I would walk along the street pretending my mittens were, in fact, grown-up gloves just like Mum's.But the biggest stumbling block to my imagination was that dratted string (in fact, a long piece of elastic, which allowed me to stretch my arms without too much trouble). It rubbed the back of my neck, it tangled round my arms in the coat sleeves, but, worst of all in my opinion, it spoilt the look of my mittens (because I could see where the elastic had been sewn onto the mitten) and made me feel like a child! Nothing worse for a 4 or 5 year old - to feel like a child!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:32 AM Subject: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat Hi everyone, especially those within reach of a child's jacket I need to know how long to make the 'string' to connect a pair of mittens I've knitted for a 2 yr-old. The pattern directions helpfully tell me to make the cord 'the desired length' - ok...I don't know the kid's wingspan, and I would like to present the mittens + string 'complete' - if someone with a winter garment for a 2 to 4 yr. old could please measure the distance from cuff to cuff along the shoulder line, I would be grateful. It would be better to make it a bit too long, than too short. Too, too long would be cumbersome. TIA for any help! -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins and New Christmas Bobbin www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
Because it's actually very hard (and I speak as a mother of three here!) to ease a small child's fingers into gloves! Young children don't seem to have the manual dexterity to fit each finger in each hole, or even the mental capability to envisage which finger goes into which holeso you end up with a child who's managed to put the thumb in the thumb-hole OK, but who has then managed to insert the second finger into the third hole, and the third and fourth fingers into the fourth hole, and who have a finger left over, with nowhere to go - or some similar mess!!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Weronika Patena [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ruth Budge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat I never minded feeling like a child (I was the I never want to grow up type, and in fact still am to some extent), but I hated mittens too. Do really bad things to your manual ability. The string was mildly annoying, but not nearly as bad as the mittens themselves (plus, I did lose things a lot, so I realized it made sense). Can anyone explain why children always have to wear mittens and not real gloves?? Weronika On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:31:11AM +1100, Ruth Budge wrote: Dear Bev, Your question brought back memories! Let me say upfront that I understand the need for strings to connect mittens, especially for a young child, but as a young child, I *hated* having a string To keep my little hands warm in an English winter, I had a pair of fur mittens (my mother had fur gloves...and how I wished I had gloves too!), and I would walk along the street pretending my mittens were, in fact, grown-up gloves just like Mum's.But the biggest stumbling block to my imagination was that dratted string (in fact, a long piece of elastic, which allowed me to stretch my arms without too much trouble). It rubbed the back of my neck, it tangled round my arms in the coat sleeves, but, worst of all in my opinion, it spoilt the look of my mittens (because I could see where the elastic had been sewn onto the mitten) and made me feel like a child! Nothing worse for a 4 or 5 year old - to feel like a child!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:32 AM Subject: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat Hi everyone, especially those within reach of a child's jacket I need to know how long to make the 'string' to connect a pair of mittens I've knitted for a 2 yr-old. The pattern directions helpfully tell me to make the cord 'the desired length' - ok...I don't know the kid's wingspan, and I would like to present the mittens + string 'complete' - if someone with a winter garment for a 2 to 4 yr. old could please measure the distance from cuff to cuff along the shoulder line, I would be grateful. It would be better to make it a bit too long, than too short. Too, too long would be cumbersome. TIA for any help! -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins and New Christmas Bobbin www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
That makes sense... But what age are we talking about here? I was still wearing mittens in 1st-3rd grades, and I find it hard to imagine that children who can write and do math can't put on gloves... Weronika On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 01:30:59PM +1100, Ruth Budge wrote: Because it's actually very hard (and I speak as a mother of three here!) to ease a small child's fingers into gloves! Young children don't seem to have the manual dexterity to fit each finger in each hole, or even the mental capability to envisage which finger goes into which holeso you end up with a child who's managed to put the thumb in the thumb-hole OK, but who has then managed to insert the second finger into the third hole, and the third and fourth fingers into the fourth hole, and who have a finger left over, with nowhere to go - or some similar mess!!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Weronika Patena [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ruth Budge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat I never minded feeling like a child (I was the I never want to grow up type, and in fact still am to some extent), but I hated mittens too. Do really bad things to your manual ability. The string was mildly annoying, but not nearly as bad as the mittens themselves (plus, I did lose things a lot, so I realized it made sense). Can anyone explain why children always have to wear mittens and not real gloves?? Weronika On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:31:11AM +1100, Ruth Budge wrote: Dear Bev, Your question brought back memories! Let me say upfront that I understand the need for strings to connect mittens, especially for a young child, but as a young child, I *hated* having a string To keep my little hands warm in an English winter, I had a pair of fur mittens (my mother had fur gloves...and how I wished I had gloves too!), and I would walk along the street pretending my mittens were, in fact, grown-up gloves just like Mum's.But the biggest stumbling block to my imagination was that dratted string (in fact, a long piece of elastic, which allowed me to stretch my arms without too much trouble). It rubbed the back of my neck, it tangled round my arms in the coat sleeves, but, worst of all in my opinion, it spoilt the look of my mittens (because I could see where the elastic had been sewn onto the mitten) and made me feel like a child! Nothing worse for a 4 or 5 year old - to feel like a child!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:32 AM Subject: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat Hi everyone, especially those within reach of a child's jacket I need to know how long to make the 'string' to connect a pair of mittens I've knitted for a 2 yr-old. The pattern directions helpfully tell me to make the cord 'the desired length' - ok...I don't know the kid's wingspan, and I would like to present the mittens + string 'complete' - if someone with a winter garment for a 2 to 4 yr. old could please measure the distance from cuff to cuff along the shoulder line, I would be grateful. It would be better to make it a bit too long, than too short. Too, too long would be cumbersome. TIA for any help! -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins and New Christmas Bobbin www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
Yes, I'd agree with you - don't know why you should still be wearing mittens that late in life! - Original Message - From: Weronika Patena [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ruth Budge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:38 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat That makes sense... But what age are we talking about here? I was still wearing mittens in 1st-3rd grades, and I find it hard to imagine that children who can write and do math can't put on gloves... Weronika On Sat, Dec 18, 2004 at 01:30:59PM +1100, Ruth Budge wrote: Because it's actually very hard (and I speak as a mother of three here!) to ease a small child's fingers into gloves! Young children don't seem to have the manual dexterity to fit each finger in each hole, or even the mental capability to envisage which finger goes into which holeso you end up with a child who's managed to put the thumb in the thumb-hole OK, but who has then managed to insert the second finger into the third hole, and the third and fourth fingers into the fourth hole, and who have a finger left over, with nowhere to go - or some similar mess!!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Weronika Patena [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ruth Budge [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2004 1:19 PM Subject: Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat I never minded feeling like a child (I was the I never want to grow up type, and in fact still am to some extent), but I hated mittens too. Do really bad things to your manual ability. The string was mildly annoying, but not nearly as bad as the mittens themselves (plus, I did lose things a lot, so I realized it made sense). Can anyone explain why children always have to wear mittens and not real gloves?? Weronika On Thu, Dec 16, 2004 at 08:31:11AM +1100, Ruth Budge wrote: Dear Bev, Your question brought back memories! Let me say upfront that I understand the need for strings to connect mittens, especially for a young child, but as a young child, I *hated* having a string To keep my little hands warm in an English winter, I had a pair of fur mittens (my mother had fur gloves...and how I wished I had gloves too!), and I would walk along the street pretending my mittens were, in fact, grown-up gloves just like Mum's.But the biggest stumbling block to my imagination was that dratted string (in fact, a long piece of elastic, which allowed me to stretch my arms without too much trouble). It rubbed the back of my neck, it tangled round my arms in the coat sleeves, but, worst of all in my opinion, it spoilt the look of my mittens (because I could see where the elastic had been sewn onto the mitten) and made me feel like a child! Nothing worse for a 4 or 5 year old - to feel like a child!! Ruth Budge (Sydney, Australia) - Original Message - From: Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:32 AM Subject: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat Hi everyone, especially those within reach of a child's jacket I need to know how long to make the 'string' to connect a pair of mittens I've knitted for a 2 yr-old. The pattern directions helpfully tell me to make the cord 'the desired length' - ok...I don't know the kid's wingspan, and I would like to present the mittens + string 'complete' - if someone with a winter garment for a 2 to 4 yr. old could please measure the distance from cuff to cuff along the shoulder line, I would be grateful. It would be better to make it a bit too long, than too short. Too, too long would be cumbersome. TIA for any help! -- bye for now Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins and New Christmas Bobbin www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Weronika Patena Caltech, Pasadena, CA, USA http://vole.stanford.edu/weronika To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat
I've a vague idea that I've heard there are now safety issues with such strings, although I can't tell you what they are. Linda Walton, (High Wycombe, Buckinghamshire, U.K.). - Original Message - From: Bev Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, December 15, 2004 5:32 PM Subject: [lace-chat] measuring a child's coat Hi everyone, especially those within reach of a child's jacket I need to know how long to make the 'string' to connect a pair of mittens I've knitted for a 2 yr-old. (snip) Bev in Sooke, BC (on Vancouver Island, west coast of Canada) Cdn. floral bobbins and New Christmas Bobbin www.woodhavenbobbins.com To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[lace-chat] Measuring a child's coat
Linda wrote: I've a vague idea that I've heard there are now safety issues with such strings, although I can't tell you what they are. There are safety issues with everything nowadays. There's usually a Christmas tree with lights at our civic centre and one on a major roundabout. The one on the roundabout's there this year, but surrounded by a mesh fence to keep people away in case someone gets electrocuted by touching the wires or bulbs or whatever. It isn't possible to erect a barrier where the other one would be, so there isn't one. The number of people who have been electrocuted in previous years is nil. They'll put both trees up next year if they can arrange low voltage lighting in time. Obviously takes more than a year to arrange that sort of thing - no, I don't believe that either. Jean in Poole To unsubscribe send email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat [EMAIL PROTECTED] For help, write to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
