Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
At 04:39 AM 5/02/2013, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? No you are definitely NOT alone in that desire. I've read a number of fiction based on fact novels about them and most don't put the blame on Richard III at all. I prefer Sharon Penman's Duke of Buckingham theory. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
Jane, Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Do you recall who she did blame? Penman was very convincing with her Duke of Buckingham theory. But I have read another - possibly by Philippa Gregory which blamed someone else. I for one really like Richard III - well at least he seems to have actually been in love with his wife and his marriage was NOT an arrange one. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
Hi David and All, Josephine Tey seems to blame Henry VII. The book also mentions books by Buck in the seventeenth century, Horace Walpole in the 18th and Markham in the 19th century that claim Richard III didn't kill the Little Princes! Guess that's why I thought it was real! Very interesting! Jane in Vermont, USA Jane, Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Do you recall who she did blame? Penman was very convincing with her Duke of Buckingham theory. But I have read another - possibly by Philippa Gregory which blamed someone else. I for one really like Richard III - well at least he seems to have actually been in love with his wife and his marriage was NOT an arrange one. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
York Minster has written to the Queen to request that Richard III be reburied in York Minster because he was crowned there. his son is buried there and several other reasons, but permission was given to exhume the skeleton at Leicester on the proviso that it was reburied in Leicester and by August 2013. Could an ignorant colonial ask, Why not Westminster? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified
One of the major considerations is that all the proposed burial places are Anglican, and Richard was a pre-reformation Catholic. Â Therein lies a dilemma Jill Sent from Samsung Mobile on O2 To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
I was fascinated by the BBC write up of this find: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-21063882 Sue sueba...@comcast.net To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
Hi David: I think they talk about Shakespeare as having created the humpback, the withered arm, plus he did a hatchet-job on Richard III's character. I wonder if in Shakespeare's day they would have seen the scoliosis (which developed on during Richard's adolescence) as an outward sign of the evil within - absolutely tailor-made for emotional drama! Interesting that the descendent of Richard's family that they found, Michael Ibsen, was the last in the line. This type of DNA goes from a mother to all of her children, male and female, but only descends further through the female - men don't pass it on. Michael Ibsen has a sister but she has no children. So - one generation more and they wouldn't have had any descendant to compare DNA with. Adele North Vancouver, BC (west coast of Canada) Dear Friends, I find this new archaeological discovery just fascinating. The use of DNA technology seems to be going ahead in leaps and bounds. Hope this tiny URL works for you:- http://tinyurl.com/anryorr My only concern is that from my extensive reading on Richard III, authors have lead me to understand that the myth of his scoliosis was created by Shakespeare, but perhaps that was merely the withered arm. David in Ballarat, AUS To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
I seem to remember reading, or hearing, that almost contemporary historians (to Richard III) began a hatchet job on him very soon after he died and Shakespeare followed that line of thought/propaganda. Patricia in Wales To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
Hi All, I see no one mentioned Daughter of Time by Josephine Tey. It's a mystery story about Richard III and it says he did not kill the little princes. I'll have to get it out, it's been a while since I read it. Really good and for some reason I thought it was true. Thanks David, really interestingg!! Jane in Vermont, USA where the snow cover has mostly melted. We've had snow but (so far) not like usual. We're glad about that - DH's 4-wheeler and plow were stolen last June@ jvik...@sover.net To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
Re: [lace-chat] Richard III's remains identified!!
No, I'd be very interested, too. On 2/4/13 12:39 PM, dmt11h...@aol.com wrote: OK, so am I the only person who wants to see an analysis of the DNA of the bodies found in the Tower a few years ago, thought to be the Little Princes? Devon To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/ -- Martha Krieg Michigan USA God expects spiritual fruits, not religious nuts. To unsubscribe send email to majord...@arachne.com containing the line: unsubscribe lace-chat y...@address.here. For help, write to arachne.modera...@gmail.com. Photo site: http://www.flickr.com/photos/lacemaker/sets/
