Re: dinamically reading load cell

2004-04-08 Thread Conseils
How did you progress ?



Re: dinamically reading load cell

2004-04-08 Thread tubial
1)=09Yes, you are right. It isn=92t undersampled  really, but
reviewing  the block diagram in my improvised Write Loggin VI , I have
found that the =93raw=94 signal was averaged too (300 samples) and I
recorded it as is. This is an answer for your item 3} too.
2)=09Sync pulses have different amplitudes because  I=92m reading
digital Sync pulses with the PCI-6013  A/D converter and I have some
=93hum=94  between DGND and AGND. Because I=92m only interested in Time
info, I don=92t care in amplitude modulations at this time

Analyzing  LOAD CELL LOGGIN graph, some averaged readings at Sync
pulse windows, show =93minor=94 errors around  real  73 grams trays, say +
/ - 10 gm, and many shows =93gross=94 errors around  -30/40 gm. At  first
case I suppose a mix of rumble and trays hits, masking reads . Looking
at second case, I saw some trays =93hanged=94 on the tracking rod and
=93robbing=94 hence  30-40 gm.

Now a technician, is fixing this kind of  mechanical issues ( I hope),
and engine isn=92t operative now.  I think that in a couple  of weeks,
I will takes a =93real=94 raw signal and will send it to you.
Before  now, I tested the load cell weighting plastics tray only, but
from now on, following votre conseil  I will carry groups of 10 trays
with known weights.

When I  take a static reading I get errors about +- 0,3gm from 0 to
500gm.

I  appreciate very much your help.

Thanks a lot.



Re: dinamically reading load cell

2004-04-08 Thread Conseils
I could only work from the data you supplied, so I looked at the
graph. What you post, more often than not, determines who and how good
the answer is.

I still think that the damping of your measurement system will be
critical to effective and accurate measurement as well.

Check out the following
http://www.tedea-huntleigh.com/
They supply accros the world. I think you should get the actual weigh
system from them or similar.

If the assistance if usefull, then you could help others by rating the
answers.

Good luck.



Re: dinamically reading load cell

2004-03-25 Thread Conseils
My initial reaction to looking at the data is

  1) It is undersampled
  2) Why are the synce pulses different amplitudes
  3) The raw data contains little or no information

It appears, although not clear from your comment, that there was an
existing system which weighed the trays. If this is the case what I
would do is connect in parallel and record the data.

I would send say 100 sets of trays through with known weights in. Say
10 with minimal and 10 with maximal and so on. Then keep a note of
what you sent and when.

Now you have a representative data set to create a logged file at say
44100Hz sampling rate and use that as a reference or perhaps use the
WAV recorder to create a simple raw record. Most importantly it has no
processing at this stage.

You can then use this to refine your processing technique. Later in
the projects life it acts as a system validation check. Some of the
ones I have created are the most important parts of the projects I
have worked on. From damage limitation (that's what the customer was
actually doing when I was called in). To, 'I can prove you have
changed something'. To 'Ops missed that!'

In summary
==
I would suggest at this point you don't appear to have valid data.
Wether that's a result of hardware or undersampling is impossible to
say with the amount of information here.

Put some 'calibration' weights on and make sure the static levels are
what you expect from 0 to typical. Then move to dynamic at increasing
speeds.

You will no doubt need a calibration section in the design anyway!



Re: dinamically reading load cell

2004-03-24 Thread Conseils
Looks like this might get lost, so I hope to help get it going

I would imagine that the most difficult part would be getting the
mechanical engineering / handling correct.

  1) Is this your own mechanics ?
  2) How are you managing damping of the system?
 i.e. When the tray 'hits' the load cell.
  3) Are you sure it's not resonant / resonating ?
 Have you tested for resonance ?
 See damping.
  4) Can you correlate actuals with data at lower speeds ?
 Post signal data as an example.

Suggestions
===
I would suggest that you post a picture (It's worth a thousand words)
or two and some sample data, then you might get a fuller answer.