LI marijuana legalization thing in the UK?
Steve Wright [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: BTW, what's going on with the marijuana legalization thing in the UK? Doc Just lighting one up now doclol, no, theres no chance of it becoming legalized in my opinion. Our country is far to backward. All the britsh politicians do one thing and preach another (like all of them I suppose) there were only 3000 (according to sky news) protestors though, not enough to cause a rumble in the jungle. Steve (BBC) UK Cannabis campaign on the move Protesters defied police by lighting up About 11,000 people joined a march through the streets of central London in support of decriminalising cannabis. The rally, on Saturday, was described as the biggest of its kind in Britain for decades. Supporters from all over Europe took part. MP Paul Flynn says cannabis is not a threat to society (37'). Dozens of marchers were openly smoking cannabis as they congregated behind a huge "legalise it" banner, despite police warnings that they risked being arrested. However, police said only one juvenile was arrested for possession of cannabis and a 21-year-old man was arrested for breach of the peace. Part way through the march leading pro-cannabis campaigner and former drug smuggler, Howard Marks, arrived at the front and led the way, smoking a joint as he walked behind three policemen. He said the march was necessary "because the government doesn't seem to listen to anything else". Campaigners delighted The rally was organised by the Independent on Sunday newspaper and led by the Labour MP Paul Flynn, who is campaigning for the decriminalisation of the drug. The mood was jovial He said the march was already a success even before anybody had taken a single step. "At last we are having a serious debate about the perils of prohibition," he said. "The fact is that prohibition is fuelling the increased use of all drugs in this country, which is now the drugs capital of Europe." Cannabis legalisation campaigners argue that there is no firm proof that the drug damages the health of users. Therapeutic effects They also point to studies which suggest chemicals found in the plant can relieve pain in people suffering illnesses such as arthritis. Verity Leeson, 20, from Hatfield, Hertfordshire, who suffers from multiple sclerosis, was in her wheelchair at the front of the march smoking cannabis. "I think they should legalise it," she said. "I have been smoking cannabis for two years on my doctor's advice. It helps my condition, it's a good painkiller and it relaxes me." Opponents unconvinced The campaign has brought strong opposition from anti-drug groups who believe that cannabis is harmful to health and to society. Glenys Weaver, of Parents Against Drugs, disagrees with any relaxation of the drug laws. "Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I don't think the drug should be legalised," she said. "My son is a heroin addict, and it has devastated our family and so many other families, and it all started through the use of soft drugs like cannabis." Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Kathy, Thank you for this excellent report which I have saved, The characteristics certainly seem to fit many of the serial killers I have read about - the Ripper, Sutcliffe, Zodiak, Bundy, Bittiker, Boston Strangler, the Russian cannibal who garnered his victims in a railway station, various freeway killers, etc. Most of us are lucky that these monsters are so few population-wise that we simply do not encounter them as children or adults. Otherise, our faces too would now be on miilk cartons, for who coud outwit such evil? Vi _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Black Widow Executed
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So where's the outrage? Where was the press? Why no interviews on TV? This lady had the same criteria as Tucker did, oh except for one thing she wasn't as young or as pretty. Is that what a women needs to get those against the death penalty to notice her? I'm sure some will disagree with me strongly, but in this case the actions of the silent speak a lot louder than the words of those after the fact. Fifty-four-year-old Judy Buenoano, known as the "Black Widow," was executed in Florida's electric chair Monday morning for poisoning her husband in 1971. "The prisoner was pronounced dead at 7:13 a.m. EST (1213 GMT)," said Rhonda Horler, a prison spokeswoman who witnessed the execution. "She made no final statement." Buenoano, who was given the nickname by a Florida prosecutor who said she preyed off her mates and her young, was the first woman executed in Florida since 1848, and the third executed in the United States since the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty in 1976. -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry :) Well she won't be confessing since they executed her this morning. Yet I did see "The New Detectives" profile her bombing case and I was convinced by the evidence that she did it. I am just surprised how silent people were about this case. Both her and Tucker claimed to have found God, both of them taught religion in prison, yet no one was interested in taking up her cause. Now her son dying the same day he's released to her, well it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that one out LOL and I personally thought the DA who prosecuted her needed a bit more of a imagination, it seems they always call female killers "Black Widows", it gets rather boring hearing the same phrase when talking about female killers. The Supreme Court denied her appeal last week. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No, Kathy, she needs a name everyone can remember and pronounce. People don't love black widows. She needs to confess and stress her religious conversion and that she teaches Bible classes. She must not talk about evidence or innocence. Who wants to hear that dry stuff? Certainly not courts. They are supposedly still examining the evidence according to her lawyer. A lawyer needs PR skills. Forget the evidence. That is immaterial. It takes a great leap of faith to believe all the incredible coincidences. But who cares about that stuff? -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill, Somebody ought to get the word to the police about the hordes of mature men on Jerry Springer's show who are impregnating fourteen year old girls without being arrested, much less convicted. In one case an old man married his own daughter. How on earth can that be legal That just defies belief... I'm absolutely speechless. Steve Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Steve Wright" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Like every other method of self-destruction, the harder drugs are a matter of individual choice. Vi ___ Couldn't have said that better myself, Im no angel but Im not stupid... Steve Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If you go to http://play.yahoo.com/ there are all kinds of games to play. Play Java-based games on Yahoo! with people all across the Internet. All games are FREE and require NO extra plug-ins. Board Games: Backgammon (310) Checkers (312) Chess (621) Go (33) Reversi (50) Card Games: Bridge (180) Cribbage (177) Euchre (316) Gin (115) Hearts (325) Poker (327) Sheepshead (28) Spades (403) -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Some Random Comments On The Latest Allegations Against Clinton
"Ronald Helm" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: . I agree with Lott. This one is certainly not like Anita Hill. Bill: You really don't agree with Sen Lott, a Republican conservative, do you? I think his statement that this is not an Anita Hill, means that there are much more substantial allegations against Clinton, than the offense that Anita Hill took at Clarence Thomas' sexual innuendo jokes. Ron Women have their faults. Men have only two. Everything they say. Everything they do. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: William J. Foristal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, March 30, 1998 7:49 AM Subject: Re: LI Some Random Comments On The Latest Allegations Against Clinton [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: It's easy to accuse someone of something. That's why, in this great country, one must be proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. Accusations are a dime a dozen in Washington, DC. One would hope they could get better evidence than an xerox copy of an unsigned letter attributed to a woman who has denied all the allegations under oath. More straws being grasped at Bill On Sun, 29 Mar 1998 19:56:38 -0500 (EST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clinton has been accused of raping a campaign volunteer 20 years ago. Some random comments: Sen. Lott, Republican Majority Leader: This isn't like with Anita Hill. Sen. Daschle, Democratic Minority Leader: This isn't like with Anita Hill. Anita Hill: One must consider the politics. Gloria Steinem: Rape isn't sexual harassment if it happens only once. Bill Clinton: Aides cause sex. Bill: If he says he didn't do it, that's good enough for me. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Sometimes indifference means death for another
DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-30 20:13:49 EST, you write: I don't know if heros are just made that way or not. Surely I would have called the cops just as I would at least help the wounded next time. Hell everybody would. There was no next time for me just as there will not be for the cab driver and the spectators in the buildings anymore than for Kitty Genovese. Heroism is probably beyond most of us, at least in the heat of the moment. But I don't see that much heroism required for a 911 call. And in the days when Kitty Genovese was being killed, 911 didn't even have caller ID so they had no way of identifying who called. I don't know if they do everywhere now -- around here they do. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, Someone ought to give the word to the po Somone ought to give the word to the police about the hordes of mature men on the Jerry Springer show who are impregnating fourteen year old girls without being arrested or convicted. In one cse an old man had married his own daughter. I maintain it is a man's world and men can get away with much more than can women, including the reversal of sexual roles. Vi ___ You wrote: . . .Adult men who have sex with minor females (regardless of whether they impregnate them) are tried and if convicted sent to prison. . .. . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: Kitty Genovese
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Doc, And what's even more appalling is the fact that the law is on the side of those who watch without doing anything. They are not legally required to get involved, not even to dial 911. Vi You wrote: . . .Remember Kitty Genovese? Nothing much has changed, has it?. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-30 20:45:45 EST, you write: The government must have some reason to make marijuana illegal, or else their actions would be unjust to American citizens. And of course we all know THAT never happens, right? Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Re: law-issues-digest V1 #748
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Steve, The marriage was not legal, but the couple were not arrested. What happened was the father divorced his wife and stayed away from his children frpm then on. He and his daughter claimed they met each other accidentally, fell in love and married before they found out they were father andf daughter. At program's end they had decided to stay together as man and wife. Sick, sick, sick! Vi __ You wrote: ,How on earth can that be legal That just defies belief... I'm absolutely speechless. . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HI Doc and all :) Only believe about 10% if that much of what you hear on the talk shows. A lot of them are actors having a ball lying their rears off. It's been revealed time over time that the guests weren't "real" people. Not all of them are fakes but a lot of them are. At least from what I have seen, I know one of the news shows did an investigation into this and it was quite humorous. They showed this one man on Oprah, Springer, and Rivera, he had a different problem with each program! I was LMAO. They then interviewed a group of them and they basically said, they thought it was fun to do the talk show circuit, plus they got a free hotel and limo service, and they had a good time. Of course they said the host/hostess wasn't aware they were lying. I also stopped watching the shows, heck If I want to watch some nobody lie to me, I can just go read the newsgroups on the net (VBG). DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-30 17:47:06 EST, you write: Somebody ought to get the word to the police about the hordes of mature men on Jerry Springer's show who are impregnating fourteen year old girls without being arrested, much less convicted. In one case an old man married his own daughter. Hate to sound Densa, but I don't watch the show -- is this in the script or in real life? Doc -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi sensei, The idea that our government protects us from anything is laughable! No doubt Uncle Sam wants us to be on our toes and keep the companies and corporations for which we work happy. Smoking pot might make our intellect a bit hazy while on the job, and God knows the business of America is business, as Teddy Roosevelt put it, and must not be interfered with. Why not admit there is some medicinal benefit from the use of marijuana and give everyone a truer picture of theplant? The fact that it is helping people with physical problems ought to be part and parcel of its presentation in the literature. Vi __ You wrote: The whole concept of legalising Marijuana here in the states is absurd! The people who are "pro-cannabis" contend that Marijuana causes no physical harm to the human body, and that the drug may also serve as a"painkiller". This argument was obviously thought up while they were high! _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Sometimes indifference means death for another
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Heroism is probably beyond most of us, at least in the heat of the moment. But I don't see that much heroism required for a 911 call. And in the days when Kitty Genovese was being killed, 911 didn't even have caller ID so they had no way of identifying who called. I don't know if they do everywhere now -- around here they do. Doc But, Doc, on those terms naturally it takes no courage. So why didn't somebody call 911? Is there something vastly different with those people than all the rest of us? From what I heard the building where people watched the cabdriver being beaten and stuffed in the trunk was an area terrorized by crime. People living under such conditions learn to look the other way. That's no excuse, just an observation. There are also the incredible cases where people are attacked in broad daylight in a crowd of ordinary people. People wait for a leader to do something. And sometimes there is none. Of course, you and I are different. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI Sometimes indifference means death for another
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Terry, Well I see a major difference in your situation and the others we have been talking about, you were obviously in shock, just you saying it comes in bit's and pieces to you tells me that. Yet I do not see the people who were watching this as being in shock, rather they were in the "I don't want to get involved" mode, heck they didn't even tell the police where the body was when the police were searching for him. People don't do acts to become hero's they aren't even thinking of that, they are mainly trying to help another in distress. These people decided it was more entertaining to watch the show. It doesn't take a hero to help another, it just takes common decency and respect for human life. The press and media labels hero's, most of us look at a situation knowing we would have helped if we could. Would it have taken a hero to save this man? No, it would have only taken a 911 call. It's easy to try to come up with an excuse on why no one did anything, but the truth is they watched a man beat to death and there is no excuse for that. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Doc and Kathy, We all have the identical reaction. And yet why are all those people so different from all 250 million of the rest of us? This is not exactly a story of great pride. When I was on a bus bombed by the Viet Cong I watched one man - a Sgt. Sullivan - helping those who were the most severely off the bus. I remembered then and now everything in flashes. I was as helpless to lend a hand as I was not to panic at the instant of the explosion. The sergeant was an alcoholic who was later booted out of the service in disgrace through my own intelligence office because he tried on his own to show the operation of the black market with military supplies. He did that and it cost both him and the man he caught their careers in lieu of courts martial. I don't know if heros are just made that way or not. Surely I would have called the cops just as I would at least help the wounded next time. Hell everybody would. There was no next time for me just as there will not be for the cab driver and the spectators in the buildings anymore than for Kitty Genovese. It's easy to point fingers at times of incredible shows of cowardice and indifference. We would never be like that. Not one of hundreds of millions of us. Best, Terry -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve, I tend to think so. Common sense also comes into the reasoning, if someone is going to break into a house which will they choose? The one where they know the owner has a gun or where they know the owner doesn't? Of course they're going to go to the house free of guns. No use risking getting shot when they can go to another area and accomplish the same thing with less chance of being harmed. Steve Wright wrote: Thats really interesting coming from a country with little gun ownership (just sport and drug dealers), do you think that violent criminals just do there business elsewhere? Steve -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI Welcome Jamez
Kathy E [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jamez and welcome to the Law list :) I hope your enjoying it here :) If you need any help or assistance please don't hesitate to ask :) -- Kathy E "I can only please one person a day, today is NOT your day, and tomorrow isn't looking too good for you either" http://members.delphi.com/kathylaw/ Law Issues Mailing List http://pw1.netcom.com/~kathye/rodeo.html - Cowboy Histories http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/2990/law.htm Crime photo's Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Kathy, My point was not that the women involved in these gruesomw murders deserved anything better than they got, but that such acts further brutalize society to the point we are on the verge of killing even our children in lethal chambers. And there are far, far more men committing horrible crimes than there are women committing them. Crime among males is so common that I'm not sure we can afford not to execute some of the worst offenders for our own protection. Women can also fight with men shoulder to shoulder in combat, but again I call upon my own gender bias to say I hate to see them on the front lines in a war. For one thing men are much better fighters. Most women realloy are the gentler sex. These are just one woman's opinion. Vi You wrote: . . .I strongly disagree with you. You can't have one punishment for one gender and not the other. What you have basically said here is that the DP's okay for men and not women, Well I could never agree with that. No matter who you are or what gender you are if you do a criminal act you best be ready to face the ultimate punishment if it is handed down... . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jamez) writes: Thank you Kathy for your warm welcome! As a senior in high school, I am very interested in law, and I figured this particular newsgroup will get me in touch with some of the law issues going on in our society today. Since I am an amateur at responding to such issues, it will take some time to get used to the reading, and of course writing out my opinions clearly and concisely. So just try to bare with my incompetence! :) Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jamez) writes: Thank you Kathy for your warm welcome! As a senior in high school, I am very interested in law, and I figured this particular newsgroup will get me in touch with some of the law issues going on in our society today. Since I am an amateur at responding to such issues, it will take some time to get used to the reading, and of course writing out my opinions clearly and concisely. So just try to bare with my incompetence! :) Glad to have you here, Jamez, and try to forgive all the self-important blather by those of us that pretend we know something. You write plainly and forcefully. Maybe you can teach the rest of us by example. :-} Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: H i Doc, Amen! Your post should be sent to the head of the DEA. Vi __ You wrote: . . .The real study would be one to find out how many pot users go on to use hard drugs, not the other way around. Doc _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
