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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill There is some stuff written on this but I can't recall where I read it. Let me check a few sources and see what I can find on it. I know attitude has some bearing on why some people seem to be able to fight the odds, but I don't remember what factors were included in this. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, I think that religious beliefs will always have to depend on faith instead of proof. I like to think that scientists choose their areas of research based on what will be of most benefit to mankind, but I know that is wishful thinking. But I DO think it's worth studying why some people seem to be able to fight for survival against certain diseases and trauma while others die quickly without much of a fight. Is there something that can be taught that would enable everyone to fight for their life in these situations? Bill On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:41:05 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill That is a good question--maybe that is why scientists in some respects shy away from studying these phenomena. Or it might strengthen religion if people could observe that a person does have a soul (life force) and that there are miracles because there are rare instances where this phenomenon does not follow the laws of nature. H, I guess I just don't know. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, I think that religious beliefs will always have to depend on faith instead of proof. I like to think that scientists choose their areas of research based on what will be of most benefit to mankind, but I know that is wishful thinking. But I DO think it's worth studying why some people seem to be able to fight for survival against certain diseases and trauma while others die quickly without much of a fight. Is there something that can be taught that would enable everyone to fight for their life in these situations? Bill On Tue, 17 Mar 1998 05:41:05 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill That is a good question--maybe that is why scientists in some respects shy away from studying these phenomena. Or it might strengthen religion if people could observe that a person does have a soul (life force) and that there are miracles because there are rare instances where this phenomenon does not follow the laws of nature. H, I guess I just don't know. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue You know most people feel that weather has something to do with crime, suicide, etc. rates on the thinking level, but seem to forget this when they do things. I use the LA riots as a good example of this. I have them figure out how time of day, the day of the week, the time of year, and the weather all were a factor in explaining the riots. It is not only negative things that seem to be affected by the weather, etc. Look at the stats on infant births. And, even the day of week has an influence. What is amazing to me though is that way back when--can't remember the exact historical period--they wrote about the time of days babies were more likely to be born. They also wrote about the effects of alcohol before we discovered (?) FAS/FAE. Have been reading a little about adult FAS/FAE and I shake my head sometimes at the researchers. One of their profound findings, according to the way they write, is that FAS/FAE has long-term effects and will affect the person as an adolescent/adult. *Duh* But at least now they are identifying the areas of the brain that are affected, even for those who do not show mental retardation (wish there was a better word). They are recognizing that many are not being assisted in school because they do not qualify for special education based on present criteria. Another positive outcome is that the person is not being misdiagnosed and treated chemically for a psychological disorder such as depression. I read a letter written by an adult person who finally was diagnosed correctly and she tells how she was misdiagnosed for years. I can send you the file privately if you are interested. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: It also gives you an insight into why kids turn to gangs. :) Did you know that the stats on suicide also run high in the hot, humid weather as well as during full moons? They really do. Don't know why but they do. I am anxious to hear what you think of that book. Sue Hi Sue That should be an interesting book. I know that sometimes they do look at specific crimes and note a seasonal trend. I have heard there is speculation that this is why the crime rates tend to be higher in the southern states, in addition to differences in culture, etc. I can hardly wait for the book now--you have peaked my interest. jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, When they do begin to measure these things and explain things that were unexplainable before I wonder what effect this will have on the religious communities around the world. Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:39:08 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I hadn't thought of all those observable things that people mention about death, etc. Seems like the things that scientists said they couldn't measure may change. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, And also the instances where people say they saw some type of wispy material leave a body at the time of death. This was to infer the soul leaving the body, but it could simply be a dissipation of energy as the body died. Also, that light people see who have died and come back may simply be the start of this process. And I think all major discoveries are made on the cutting edge of research. :) Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:27:04 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh Bill Cutting edge!! As one of my students said when we discussed psych. disorders--remember Jackie, there is a fine line between being normal and having a disorder. H, cutting edge or something else?? Poor Ed, he has to listen to this stuff all the time--imagine it is difficult for him to live with someone on the boundary g. I find that info you mentioned on auras very interesting--we sometimes laugh at those ideas, but if we are made up of electrons, etc and as you say we encounter another body wouldn't the attraction/repulsion create an aura colored differently around a person?? I think I will see if I can get ahold of that book--I have nothing else to read (hahaha). jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Wow, you are way out there on the cutting edge of theory here. :) I would think that anything you've suggested COULD be true, but it would take a lot of clinical studies and other research to prove or disprove it. One thing I wondered was whether the "aura" that many people have talked about is indeed there and caused by some magnetic field that each person has around them. The Celestine Prophecy dealt with this in an interesting way. I'm not sure about the physical cause of the gravitational force, but I think you've hit pretty close to it. The combined effects of the charged particles or ions within the molecules of each body acting on the other body. I know the force of the pull is determined by the inverse square of the distance between the bodies and the difference in mass. There are a lot of theories one can offer with respect to magnetic fields and their affects on humans. I assume there is a lot of research going on about this. Bil l On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:13:41 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Ok, if it is gravational pull then isn't that the attraction/repulsion of negative and positive ions?? (Jeez, I better take Physics 101 again). If so, then aren't we talking again about magnetic fields?? If so, maybe those ole' wives tales have a bearing in reality--changes in behavior according to the phases of the moon for some people some of the time. If that is true to a degree then let's really go out on limb and look at how interference in that attraction/repulsion could affect us and our natural environment. (I know you are humming the theme from "The Twilight Zone--grin). About minerals, I was speculating (hallucinating some might say) whether they balanced our negative/positive ions in someway and that is why they are essential in our diet. From there we can make the leap (maybe not logically) to an idea that after exposure to teratogens an increase in minerals in the diet may help to offset the imbalance. Boy, this is muddy as heck, I know, but it does seem logical in my own twisted thinking process. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue That should be an interesting book. I know that sometimes they do look at specific crimes and note a seasonal trend. I have heard there is speculation that this is why the crime rates tend to be higher in the southern states, in addition to differences in culture, etc. I can hardly wait for the book now--you have peaked my interest. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I don't have the book here anymore, I sent it on Friday. But if I remember correctly it was called the "Season of Killing" or something along those lines. It is written by an LA Times reporter in conjunction with two LAPD Homicide Detectives. It goes through same summer months that Nicole was killed, but has nothing to do with her murder at all. It's about how different temps, etc effect the crime rate and so on. I know you will like it. Physicians and other health care people take that full moon thing very seriously. Don't know why it happens, but believe me it does every time. Sue Oh Sue What a sweetie you are!! What is the name of the book?? I can hardly wait. I really appreciated when you sent the OJ books. I guess Joan liked the niece's one better too. I started looking at weather and other environmental factors that may contribute to crime when I was in graduate school, but got so busy that I didn't keep up with it. So this will be great. I wonder though if the majority of police and doctors really take the mood phases seriously enough though?? Of course the problem that occurs, like any other factor is that some of the criminals may use it as an excuse for their behavior. The trip would be a real first for me as far as being sent a long distance. I have been sent to workshops in MN once or twice, but never across the country. I think if this happens it is because of the changes being made in the community college system with the merge of higher educational institutions in the state. I am keeping my fingers crossed. But I will pay in the long run--he will probably make me present at a duty day or something to the rest of the faculty. jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: It also gives you an insight into why kids turn to gangs. :) Did you know that the stats on suicide also run high in the hot, humid weather as well as during full moons? They really do. Don't know why but they do. I am anxious to hear what you think of that book. Sue Hi Sue That should be an interesting book. I know that sometimes they do look at specific crimes and note a seasonal trend. I have heard there is speculation that this is why the crime rates tend to be higher in the southern states, in addition to differences in culture, etc. I can hardly wait for the book now--you have peaked my interest. jackief Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh Sue What a sweetie you are!! What is the name of the book?? I can hardly wait. I really appreciated when you sent the OJ books. I guess Joan liked the niece's one better too. I started looking at weather and other environmental factors that may contribute to crime when I was in graduate school, but got so busy that I didn't keep up with it. So this will be great. I wonder though if the majority of police and doctors really take the mood phases seriously enough though?? Of course the problem that occurs, like any other factor is that some of the criminals may use it as an excuse for their behavior. The trip would be a real first for me as far as being sent a long distance. I have been sent to workshops in MN once or twice, but never across the country. I think if this happens it is because of the changes being made in the community college system with the merge of higher educational institutions in the state. I am keeping my fingers crossed. But I will pay in the long run--he will probably make me present at a duty day or something to the rest of the faculty. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I am putting a book in the mail for you today. I have been meaning to send it to you for a long time. You have to read this, it is fascinating as to how the weather, etc effects crime. I know that the police depts are aware of the full moon thing. A lot of the cops that I have met have told me so. And I know that medical people are very much aware of it also. But no one seems to know why. At least if they do they have never told me. :) I wish someone would send me somewhere all expenses paid. And Seattle that is suppose to be beautiful. Sue Hi Sue I wonder if anyone has examined crime rates, domestic abuse, etc. using phases of the moon as a variable?? I know they have looked at seasons in regard to suicide, depression, and births. Will try to check that out when I prepare for next fall's classes this summer. Off-topic: I may luck out--am holding my breath. The Dean may send me to Seattle this summer for a two-day workshop. All expenses paid, except my shopping spree of course. I am really hoping it works out. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue - That's geate! :) LDMF. Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Dr. L. : This one I can do without any hard work at all. BG The Riverside police department has a site that I am on. They post the crime stats every month, not only by the amount but also by the crime, and the date. At then end of the month I can pull these up for you and we can see if it made any difference at least here in Riverside, and if so which crimes, etc. I would be interested to find this one out myself. :) How's that? Sue Hi Sue and Jackie - yesterday was Friday the Thirteenth, and a full moon, and a lunar eclipse (I read this). Triple threat time. Is there any way to check on absolute or relative crime rate? :) LDMF. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I can tell you for sure that a full moon will bring a full ER. And most of the people who come in are wacky. It never fails. I have also heard cops say that have the same problems during a full moon. Sue Hi Bill Ok, if it is gravational pull then isn't that the attraction/repulsion of negative and positive ions?? (Jeez, I better take Physics 101 again). If so, then aren't we talking again about magnetic fields?? If so, maybe those ole' wives tales have a bearing in reality--changes in behavior according to the phases of the moon for some people some of the time. If that is true to a degree then let's really go out on limb and look at how interference in that attraction/repulsion could affect us and our natural environment. (I know you are humming the theme from "The Twilight Zone--grin). About minerals, I was speculating (hallucinating some might say) whether they balanced our negative/positive ions in someway and that is why they are essential in our diet. From there we can make the leap (maybe not logically) to an idea that after exposure to teratogens an increase in minerals in the diet may help to offset the imbalance. Boy, this is muddy as heck, I know, but it does seem logical in my own twisted thinking process. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh Bill Cutting edge!! As one of my students said when we discussed psych. disorders--remember Jackie, there is a fine line between being normal and having a disorder. H, cutting edge or something else?? Poor Ed, he has to listen to this stuff all the time--imagine it is difficult for him to live with someone on the boundary g. I find that info you mentioned on auras very interesting--we sometimes laugh at those ideas, but if we are made up of electrons, etc and as you say we encounter another body wouldn't the attraction/repulsion create an aura colored differently around a person?? I think I will see if I can get ahold of that book--I have nothing else to read (hahaha). jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Wow, you are way out there on the cutting edge of theory here. :) I would think that anything you've suggested COULD be true, but it would take a lot of clinical studies and other research to prove or disprove it. One thing I wondered was whether the "aura" that many people have talked about is indeed there and caused by some magnetic field that each person has around them. The Celestine Prophecy dealt with this in an interesting way. I'm not sure about the physical cause of the gravitational force, but I think you've hit pretty close to it. The combined effects of the charged particles or ions within the molecules of each body acting on the other body. I know the force of the pull is determined by the inverse square of the distance between the bodies and the difference in mass. There are a lot of theories one can offer with respect to magnetic fields and their affects on humans. I assume there is a lot of research going on about this. Bil l On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:13:41 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Ok, if it is gravational pull then isn't that the attraction/repulsion of negative and positive ions?? (Jeez, I better take Physics 101 again). If so, then aren't we talking again about magnetic fields?? If so, maybe those ole' wives tales have a bearing in reality--changes in behavior according to the phases of the moon for some people some of the time. If that is true to a degree then let's really go out on limb and look at how interference in that attraction/repulsion could affect us and our natural environment. (I know you are humming the theme from "The Twilight Zone--grin). About minerals, I was speculating (hallucinating some might say) whether they balanced our negative/positive ions in someway and that is why they are essential in our diet. From there we can make the leap (maybe not logically) to an idea that after exposure to teratogens an increase in minerals in the diet may help to offset the imbalance. Boy, this is muddy as heck, I know, but it does seem logical in my own twisted thinking process. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc When you read Weber just remember his childhood and the fact that he supposedly never consummated his marriage--accounts for his writing style, perhaps G. You must have had a Parsonian theory teacher--I still have dreams about AGIL. jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-12 06:03:29 EST, you write: Thanks for clarifying. Somehow that sounds poetic in a way, much better than disease or even disorder. One of my teachers once said that the early writers in the social sciences wrote more colorfully and poetically and that is why she thought they were more enjoyable to read. She felt they used metaphors and painted pictures for the reader. Of course she studied in England and her dissertation tied Freud and Parson together, so that may account for some of her thoughts on this. jackief Anyone who finds Talcott Parsons colorful or poetic can't be all bad! I can even stretch a point for Emile Durkheim (maybe just because French is such a poetic language) though Max Weber stumps me. Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-13 06:51:27 EST, you write: When you read Weber just remember his childhood and the fact that he supposedly never consummated his marriage--accounts for his writing style, perhaps G. How could he? He never got to the end of a sentence! Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, And also the instances where people say they saw some type of wispy material leave a body at the time of death. This was to infer the soul leaving the body, but it could simply be a dissipation of energy as the body died. Also, that light people see who have died and come back may simply be the start of this process. And I think all major discoveries are made on the cutting edge of research. :) Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:27:04 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh Bill Cutting edge!! As one of my students said when we discussed psych. disorders--remember Jackie, there is a fine line between being normal and having a disorder. H, cutting edge or something else?? Poor Ed, he has to listen to this stuff all the time--imagine it is difficult for him to live with someone on the boundary g. I find that info you mentioned on auras very interesting--we sometimes laugh at those ideas, but if we are made up of electrons, etc and as you say we encounter another body wouldn't the attraction/repulsion create an aura colored differently around a person?? I think I will see if I can get ahold of that book--I have nothing else to read (hahaha). jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Wow, you are way out there on the cutting edge of theory here. :) I would think that anything you've suggested COULD be true, but it would take a lot of clinical studies and other research to prove or disprove it. One thing I wondered was whether the "aura" that many people have talked about is indeed there and caused by some magnetic field that each person has around them. The Celestine Prophecy dealt with this in an interesting way. I'm not sure about the physical cause of the gravitational force, but I think you've hit pretty close to it. The combined effects of the charged particles or ions within the molecules of each body acting on the other body. I know the force of the pull is determined by the inverse square of the distance between the bodies and the difference in mass. There are a lot of theories one can offer with respect to magnetic fields and their affects on humans. I assume there is a lot of research going on about this. Bil l On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:13:41 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Ok, if it is gravational pull then isn't that the attraction/repulsion of negative and positive ions?? (Jeez, I better take Physics 101 again). If so, then aren't we talking again about magnetic fields?? If so, maybe those ole' wives tales have a bearing in reality--changes in behavior according to the phases of the moon for some people some of the time. If that is true to a degree then let's really go out on limb and look at how interference in that attraction/repulsion could affect us and our natural environment. (I know you are humming the theme from "The Twilight Zone--grin). About minerals, I was speculating (hallucinating some might say) whether they balanced our negative/positive ions in someway and that is why they are essential in our diet. From there we can make the leap (maybe not logically) to an idea that after exposure to teratogens an increase in minerals in the diet may help to offset the imbalance. Boy, this is muddy as heck, I know, but it does seem logical in my own twisted thinking process. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: LOL I can only imagine what it would be like in a State Hospital. Geeze. Seriously I wonder why it is like that. I really do. People who don't work in that line of work don't believe it. At least some that I have talked to. But it really is true. Things go nuts on a full moon. Sue Hi Sue It used to be true at the state hospital also. We always had to prepare for that time by having extra staff, etc. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Sue I wonder if anyone has examined crime rates, domestic abuse, etc. using phases of the moon as a variable?? I know they have looked at seasons in regard to suicide, depression, and births. Will try to check that out when I prepare for next fall's classes this summer. Off-topic: I may luck out--am holding my breath. The Dean may send me to Seattle this summer for a two-day workshop. All expenses paid, except my shopping spree of course. I am really hoping it works out. jackief Sue Hartigan wrote: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: LOL I can only imagine what it would be like in a State Hospital. Geeze. Seriously I wonder why it is like that. I really do. People who don't work in that line of work don't believe it. At least some that I have talked to. But it really is true. Things go nuts on a full moon. Sue Hi Sue It used to be true at the state hospital also. We always had to prepare for that time by having extra staff, etc. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Jackie: I am putting a book in the mail for you today. I have been meaning to send it to you for a long time. You have to read this, it is fascinating as to how the weather, etc effects crime. I know that the police depts are aware of the full moon thing. A lot of the cops that I have met have told me so. And I know that medical people are very much aware of it also. But no one seems to know why. At least if they do they have never told me. :) I wish someone would send me somewhere all expenses paid. And Seattle that is suppose to be beautiful. Sue Hi Sue I wonder if anyone has examined crime rates, domestic abuse, etc. using phases of the moon as a variable?? I know they have looked at seasons in regard to suicide, depression, and births. Will try to check that out when I prepare for next fall's classes this summer. Off-topic: I may luck out--am holding my breath. The Dean may send me to Seattle this summer for a two-day workshop. All expenses paid, except my shopping spree of course. I am really hoping it works out. jackief -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I have a question that perhaps you or someone can answer. My husband said that there is a study that was done about the weight of a body changing at the time of death. I had never heard of it, but they study everything else. :) He said that some researchers somewhere had taken a group of people who were dying and placed them on a scale of some sort. When they died there was a loss of weight, minuscule but still a loss of weight. This was attributed to the soul leaving the body. Have you ever heard of such a study? The light thing is true. I don't have any explaination for it, but I went through that experience when I had polio. And it is true. It leaves you with a very different view of death. Sue Hi Jackie, And also the instances where people say they saw some type of wispy material leave a body at the time of death. This was to infer the soul leaving the body, but it could simply be a dissipation of energy as the body died. Also, that light people see who have died and come back may simply be the start of this process. And I think all major discoveries are made on the cutting edge of research. :) Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Sue, I would expect there to be a much more reasonable explanation of a slight weight loss upon death than that of the soul leaving the body. For one thing, the soul is spiritual and would not have any weight. :) I'm sure there are plenty of things that escape from the body when death occurs that would account for a weight loss. It's probably best not to go into detail. But I wonder how anyone could study this since the weight loss would have to be quite miniscule and the body would have to be weighed immediately before and after death to get any data. But I've never read any research on this subject. Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 11:17:22 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I have a question that perhaps you or someone can answer. My husband said that there is a study that was done about the weight of a body changing at the time of death. I had never heard of it, but they study everything else. :) He said that some researchers somewhere had taken a group of people who were dying and placed them on a scale of some sort. When they died there was a loss of weight, minuscule but still a loss of weight. This was attributed to the soul leaving the body. Have you ever heard of such a study? The light thing is true. I don't have any explaination for it, but I went through that experience when I had polio. And it is true. It leaves you with a very different view of death. Sue Hi Jackie, And also the instances where people say they saw some type of wispy material leave a body at the time of death. This was to infer the soul leaving the body, but it could simply be a dissipation of energy as the body died. Also, that light people see who have died and come back may simply be the start of this process. And I think all major discoveries are made on the cutting edge of research. :) Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Sue, I think he was pulling your leg. :) Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 13:24:05 -0800 Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill: I thought it was BS when he told me that. :) He is always telling me things like that, and like an idot I believe him. BG And you are right it isn't a good idea to get into the things that are expelled from a person who is dying or died. :( Sue Hi Sue, I would expect there to be a much more reasonable explanation of a slight weight loss upon death than that of the soul leaving the body. For one thing, the soul is spiritual and would not have any weight. :) I'm sure there are plenty of things that escape from the body when death occurs that would account for a weight loss. It's probably best not to go into detail. But I wonder how anyone could study this since the weight loss would have to be quite miniscule and the body would have to be weighed immediately before and after death to get any data. But I've never read any research on this subject. Bill -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill I hadn't thought of all those observable things that people mention about death, etc. Seems like the things that scientists said they couldn't measure may change. jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, And also the instances where people say they saw some type of wispy material leave a body at the time of death. This was to infer the soul leaving the body, but it could simply be a dissipation of energy as the body died. Also, that light people see who have died and come back may simply be the start of this process. And I think all major discoveries are made on the cutting edge of research. :) Bill On Fri, 13 Mar 1998 05:27:04 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Oh, oh Bill Cutting edge!! As one of my students said when we discussed psych. disorders--remember Jackie, there is a fine line between being normal and having a disorder. H, cutting edge or something else?? Poor Ed, he has to listen to this stuff all the time--imagine it is difficult for him to live with someone on the boundary g. I find that info you mentioned on auras very interesting--we sometimes laugh at those ideas, but if we are made up of electrons, etc and as you say we encounter another body wouldn't the attraction/repulsion create an aura colored differently around a person?? I think I will see if I can get ahold of that book--I have nothing else to read (hahaha). jackief William J. Foristal wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Jackie, Wow, you are way out there on the cutting edge of theory here. :) I would think that anything you've suggested COULD be true, but it would take a lot of clinical studies and other research to prove or disprove it. One thing I wondered was whether the "aura" that many people have talked about is indeed there and caused by some magnetic field that each person has around them. The Celestine Prophecy dealt with this in an interesting way. I'm not sure about the physical cause of the gravitational force, but I think you've hit pretty close to it. The combined effects of the charged particles or ions within the molecules of each body acting on the other body. I know the force of the pull is determined by the inverse square of the distance between the bodies and the difference in mass. There are a lot of theories one can offer with respect to magnetic fields and their affects on humans. I assume there is a lot of research going on about this. Bil l On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 04:13:41 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Bill Ok, if it is gravational pull then isn't that the attraction/repulsion of negative and positive ions?? (Jeez, I better take Physics 101 again). If so, then aren't we talking again about magnetic fields?? If so, maybe those ole' wives tales have a bearing in reality--changes in behavior according to the phases of the moon for some people some of the time. If that is true to a degree then let's really go out on limb and look at how interference in that attraction/repulsion could affect us and our natural environment. (I know you are humming the theme from "The Twilight Zone--grin). About minerals, I was speculating (hallucinating some might say) whether they balanced our negative/positive ions in someway and that is why they are essential in our diet. From there we can make the leap (maybe not logically) to an idea that after exposure to teratogens an increase in minerals in the diet may help to offset the imbalance. Boy, this is muddy as heck, I know, but it does seem logical in my own twisted thinking process. jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the
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Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Doc Thanks for clarifying. Somehow that sounds poetic in a way, much better than disease or even disorder. One of my teachers once said that the early writers in the social sciences wrote more colorfully and poetically and that is why she thought they were more enjoyable to read. She felt they used metaphors and painted pictures for the reader. Of course she studied in England and her dissertation tied Freud and Parson together, so that may account for some of her thoughts on this. jackief DocCec wrote: DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:53:52 EST, you write: Anything ending in "ology" means study of--that one throws me sometimes though--Doc what is pathology--the study of paths??? g You're not all that far off -- "pathos" is Greek for suffering, so Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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DocCec [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In a message dated 98-03-11 06:53:52 EST, you write: Anything ending in "ology" means study of--that one throws me sometimes though--Doc what is pathology--the study of paths??? g You're not all that far off -- "pathos" is Greek for suffering, so Doc Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Jackie, I'm sure Steve will elaborate on this, but the major cause of tides is the gravitational pull of the moon as it orbits around the earth. As for minerals, Calcium is essential for healthy bones and Iron is essential for the hemoglobin that carries oxygen through the blood and transfers it to our organs. Potassium, Selenium and many others also play important roles in our health. And since we don't make minerals we have to get them via diet or supplements. Bill On Tue, 10 Mar 1998 17:34:27 -0600 Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Steve Off on a tanget here (I never have been accused of linear thinking g). What is it that causes tides?? Another question I have: when we take minerals, what are the minerals restoring in our body (basic elements of minerals)?? Steve, if this research would be increased and it did point out some things that may pose risks, will there be the legal debate that occurred with cigarettes that is still continuing today? jackief _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Jackie - I am so pleased that you are willing to consider this. I agree with what you are posting. Definitely 'energy' is working here, maybe Doc or another lister knows. BTW you have the open and inquiring mind of a true researcher and I think you will be quite a contributor. Ride that null hyothesis! Don't mean to pontificate or sound like an expert, I'm sure from the posts that others feel the same. Go for it! And let us know! Meanwhile I'll keep an eye open (out from under my magnet hat!) Just kidding, don't have a hat.:) LDMF. Jackie Fellows wrote: Jackie Fellows [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Linda This makes sense to me, somehow. Wouldn't that in some respects be similar to acupuncture?? In using certain metals in the needles wouldn't that do something with the ions in our bodies? Boy, you can tell I am less than informed about the physical side of a person. And, if magnetism can balance the organism to reduce pain, then the opposite should hold true--in an environment where the electromagnetic field is altered, shouldn't it create conditions in which pain occurs?? jackief Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff wrote: "Dr.L.D.Misek-Falkoff" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Greetings Jackie, I wonder if the following ties in. It is the flip side, but I think it might be related because what 'helps' can be the flip side of what 'hurts'. Currently on a medical topic list we are discussing the use of magnets to reduce pain. Seems that when they are placed on the body it increases the flow of blood to an area, that is it aids circulation. Now, there are different precursor states: might be trauma, might be inherent, even genetic wiring that brings on the pain - anyway it might not be so far afield from general discusssions of magnetism and organisms. C U Soon, :) LDMF. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues -- In the sociology room the children learn that even dreams are colored by your perspective I toss and turn all night.Theresa Burns, "The Sociology Room" Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
