Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill. So be it! Peace be with you. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .King was helplessand they beat the hell out of him. I'd hate to think of a police force that could not control a man like King who was unarmed. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: HI Vi, I disagree with their decision to drop the charges against Rodney King. However, when the police choose to break the law and inflict damage and harm against a citizen, they must pay the price in terms of criminal and civil trials that may result from their actions. Same is true for the Louima case. And the state must pay the price for its failure to train/control the actions of its employees. Unfortunately, it's usually the lawyers who get rich from these cases and not the people who were victimized. Just because King is a petty crook and a low life does not mean he does not have the same rights and protections that you and I have. Even a convicted felon, who does lose many basic rights, does not lose the right to avoid being beaten up by police officers. Bill On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 16:35:40 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, Seems to me they paid for NOT breaking the law. Just as Rodney King was the law-breaker, it is the cops that got tried and went to jail. Ole Rodney ended up smelling like a rose, a millionaire free to continue his dissolute lifestyle. This is all too typical of alf our topsy-turvy times Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Joan, He was not paid money for breaking the law. He was paid money as compensation for pain and suffering that was due to the police breaking the law. That is an important distinction. And, as I understand it, the guy who made the most money is his lawyer. I don't think King is any better off from his experience with the LAPD. Money is certainly not the answer to his problems, but our laws do hold people responsible for monetary remuneration to compensate for pain and suffering due to an unlawful act. Even for acts that are lawful but deemed culpatory. Again, we have to try to separate our bias against King because of who and what he is and really look at the actions of everyone in this incident to draw a reasonable conclusion about it, IMO. Bill On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:37:59 -0400 "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Bill, Seems as if Mr. King did quite nicely financially despite breaking the law. And who said crime didn't pay! G Joan -- From: William J. Foristal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:07 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Vi, The video wasn't edited. They just didn't show the entire video. I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. Bill On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, The point is there was a lot that went on between King and the cops before the video was made, and most probably afterward. I heard no one say the video had been edited before it was aired on the TV news. Bottom line: the video didn't tell the whole story, but people like George Bush saw it, freaked out and declared there had been injustice in the Simi Valley verdict of "not guilty" in the cops' trial. And don't imagine that he who attends these trials comes away with the certainty that they know exactly what went down. They only know what the lawyers on either side want them to know and are competent enough to reveal. But I'll bet King and the cops know exactly what went down! :) Vi __ You wrote: . . .I just wish that they had shown that video from the beginning to thepublic. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I must have seen the other one a million times though. It may have helped to understand why the jury came to the verdict that they came to.. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Bill, I realize King was not paid for breaking the law but rather for the treatment and injuries which took place in his capture. I understand the distinction. :) Joan -- From: William J. Foristal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Wednesday, April 29, 1998 11:42 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Joan, He was not paid money for breaking the law. He was paid money as compensation for pain and suffering that was due to the police breaking the law. That is an important distinction. And, as I understand it, the guy who made the most money is his lawyer. I don't think King is any better off from his experience with the LAPD. Money is certainly not the answer to his problems, but our laws do hold people responsible for monetary remuneration to compensate for pain and suffering due to an unlawful act. Even for acts that are lawful but deemed culpatory. Again, we have to try to separate our bias against King because of who and what he is and really look at the actions of everyone in this incident to draw a reasonable conclusion about it, IMO. Bill On Mon, 27 Apr 1998 23:37:59 -0400 "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Bill, Seems as if Mr. King did quite nicely financially despite breaking the law. And who said crime didn't pay! G Joan -- From: William J. Foristal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:07 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Vi, The video wasn't edited. They just didn't show the entire video. I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. Bill On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, The point is there was a lot that went on between King and the cops before the video was made, and most probably afterward. I heard no one say the video had been edited before it was aired on the TV news. Bottom line: the video didn't tell the whole story, but people like George Bush saw it, freaked out and declared there had been injustice in the Simi Valley verdict of "not guilty" in the cops' trial. And don't imagine that he who attends these trials comes away with the certainty that they know exactly what went down. They only know what the lawyers on either side want them to know and are competent enough to reveal. But I'll bet King and the cops know exactly what went down! :) Vi __ You wrote: . . .I just wish that they had shown that video from the beginning to thepublic. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I must have seen the other one a million times though. It may have helped to understand why the jury came to the verdict that they came to.. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Terry, How awful to go through life that way. Have any of those who harmed Denny, or their families, ever made any attempt to help him or show concern and sympathy? I don't recall who defended Williams. Joan Hi Joan, The lawyer who defended Williams is a black man with a foreign accent who has been on television many times. I don't know his name. We are helping Denny. He won a large award from the government. In actuality there is nothing that can be done for Denny himself but his family was made financially secure. It is unlikely that Williams or family or friends have done a damn thing for Denny. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, It was damned decent of Cosby to offer his help to Denny. Such people restore one's faith in humanity . I also admire him for the way he bore up after his son was murdered. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: The one thing that did come out of it good for Denny was that Cosby took over and made sure that his kids all got college money, and helped in other ways _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Vi, I found it unfair to the taxpayers that King and his lawyers made so much money from the incident. I remember reading at the time the lawyers were criticized for charging an inordinate amount of money. What was the case where a white truck driver was trying to get out of the riot area and a group of young black men stopped him and one beat him almost to death with a brick. He left the man to die and that would have happened except a humane black man got him to the hospital in time. I believe the trucker almost died and his head is still misshapen. What punishment did a predominantly black jury impose upon the perpetrator? How many millions did the trucker receive? I can't remember all the details or even the man's name. How sad that the name of the trucker is forgotten while the name of a criminal like King is known and he became almost a hero. Joan -- From: Viola Provenzano [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:35 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, Seems to me they paid for NOT breaking the law. Just as Rodney King was the law-breaker, it is the cops that got tried and went to jail. Ole Rodney ended up smelling like a rose, a millionaire free to continue his dissolute lifestyle. This is all too typical of alf our topsy-turvy times Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Joan: The name of the truck driver is Reginald Denny. And he got nothing (I don't think) except for what Bill Cosby has made sure that he gets. :( Sue Hello Vi, I found it unfair to the taxpayers that King and his lawyers made so much money from the incident. I remember reading at the time the lawyers were criticized for charging an inordinate amount of money. What was the case where a white truck driver was trying to get out of the riot area and a group of young black men stopped him and one beat him almost to death with a brick. He left the man to die and that would have happened except a humane black man got him to the hospital in time. I believe the trucker almost died and his head is still misshapen. What punishment did a predominantly black jury impose upon the perpetrator? How many millions did the trucker receive? I can't remember all the details or even the man's name. How sad that the name of the trucker is forgotten while the name of a criminal like King is known and he became almost a hero. Joan -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Joan, Reginald Denny is not universally forgotten. It is not likely that a misshapen head is the worst that Denny suffered. His meekness is most likely interrupted by periods of rage as for most such cases of brain damage. His injuries are permanent. The trial of Damian Williams was another travesty as was the original trial of the cops. Some forget that Briseno should never have been tried at all yet was tried twice. It's just "the cops" that are discussed. "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Vi, I found it unfair to the taxpayers that King and his lawyers made so much money from the incident. I remember reading at the time the lawyers were criticized for charging an inordinate amount of money. What was the case where a white truck driver was trying to get out of the riot area and a group of young black men stopped him and one beat him almost to death with a brick. He left the man to die and that would have happened except a humane black man got him to the hospital in time. I believe the trucker almost died and his head is still misshapen. What punishment did a predominantly black jury impose upon the perpetrator? How many millions did the trucker receive? I can't remember all the details or even the man's name. How sad that the name of the trucker is forgotten while the name of a criminal like King is known and he became almost a hero. Joan -- From: Viola Provenzano [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:35 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, Seems to me they paid for NOT breaking the law. Just as Rodney King was the law-breaker, it is the cops that got tried and went to jail. Ole Rodney ended up smelling like a rose, a millionaire free to continue his dissolute lifestyle. This is all too typical of alf our topsy-turvy times Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
"Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Terry, I remembered the case but must admit I could not recall the name of the victim or of the perpetrator. I agree that whatever allowed Williams to avoid punishment was a travesty. Does Denny suffer periods of rage? Somewhere in my memory, I though he actually asked for mercy for those who attacked him. Hard to believe. I don't believe I could have done that. In fact, I think it was wrong of him to do so if his appeal in any way moved the jury not to jail Williams and anyone else who participated. Joan -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Tuesday, April 28, 1998 6:45 AM [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Joan, Reginald Denny is not universally forgotten. It is not likely that a misshapen head is the worst that Denny suffered. His meekness is most likely interrupted by periods of rage as for most such cases of brain damage. His injuries are permanent. The trial of Damian Williams was another travesty as was the original trial of the cops. Some forget that Briseno should never have been tried at all yet was tried twice. It's just "the cops" that are discussed. "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Vi, I found it unfair to the taxpayers that King and his lawyers made so much money from the incident. I remember reading at the time the lawyers were criticized for charging an inordinate amount of money. What was the case where a white truck driver was trying to get out of the riot area and a group of young black men stopped him and one beat him almost to death with a brick. He left the man to die and that would have happened except a humane black man got him to the hospital in time. I believe the trucker almost died and his head is still misshapen. What punishment did a predominantly black jury impose upon the perpetrator? How many millions did the trucker receive? I can't remember all the details or even the man's name. How sad that the name of the trucker is forgotten while the name of a criminal like King is known and he became almost a hero. Joan -- From: Viola Provenzano [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 7:35 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, Seems to me they paid for NOT breaking the law. Just as Rodney King was the law-breaker, it is the cops that got tried and went to jail. Ole Rodney ended up smelling like a rose, a millionaire free to continue his dissolute lifestyle. This is all too typical of alf our topsy-turvy times Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Sue, No problem. It would be a pretty dull world if we all agreed on everything. :) Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ . . .I guess we will just have to agree to disagree on this one. :) _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Joan, "Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [about Reginald Denny] Hello Terry, I remembered the case but must admit I could not recall the name of the victim or of the perpetrator. I agree that whatever allowed Williams to avoid punishment was a travesty. Does Denny suffer periods of rage? I don't know. He appeared to this untrained observer and to others more knowledgeable to be typical of someone who has suffered severe and permanent brain damage. Somewhere in my memory, I though he actually asked for mercy for those who attacked him. Hard to believe. I don't believe I could have done that. What you should understand is that is quite typical behavior. I visited a cowboy years ago a couple of times in an asylum. He had been dragged by his horse, his skull was split open and I was told even some of his brain matter spilled out on the desert ground. I don't know that the last was not the usual color but the papers were full of the miraculous recovery. This was many years ago when brain surgery was very rare. Jim became very placid, a vast change from his former temperament. He did not return to his wife and kids. His wife had her hands full without him. His brother took him in but eventually gave up and Jim went to an asylum for the rest of his life. The sudden rages, though rare, were just too scary especially with the usual access to weapons available on a farm. It is somewhat equivalent to the sudden rages of those with Alzheimer's who are mostly quite tranquil. In fact, I think it was wrong of him to do so if his appeal in any way moved the jury not to jail Williams and anyone else who participated. Joan Don't blame him, Joan. The poor guy was brain damaged. Unfortunately you can't say the same for those who used him. Best, Terry "Lawyer - one trained to circumvent the law" - The Devil's Dictionary Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Joan, Reginald Denny is just another chapter in the Rodney King story. The perp got off. Denny got the life sentence of pain, suffering and loss of memory. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." You wrote: . . . How sad that the name of the trucker is forgotten while the name of a criminal like King is known and he became almost a hero. Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Vi: The one thing that did come out of it good for Denny was that Cosby took over and made sure that his kids all got college money, and helped in other ways. But I am sure Denny would give any help from Cosby up to have not have gone through with what he did. Sue Hi Joan, Reginald Denny is just another chapter in the Rodney King story. The perp got off. Denny got the life sentence of pain, suffering and loss of memory. Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, The point is there was a lot that went on between King and the cops before the video was made, and most probably afterward. I heard no one say the video had been edited before it was aired on the TV news. Bottom line: the video didn't tell the whole story, but people like George Bush saw it, freaked out and declared there had been injustice in the Simi Valley verdict of "not guilty" in the cops' trial. And don't imagine that he who attends these trials comes away with the certainty that they know exactly what went down. They only know what the lawyers on either side want them to know and are competent enough to reveal. But I'll bet King and the cops know exactly what went down! :) Vi __ You wrote: . . .I just wish that they had shown that video from the beginning to thepublic. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I must have seen the other one a million times though. It may have helped to understand why the jury came to the verdict that they came to.. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Vi: I don't know if the first part of the video has ever been shown or not, but that was the first time I had seen it. In fact I think that they said it was the first time it had been shown to the public before they did show it. I'm not positive about that though. Sue Hi Sue, The point is there was a lot that went on between King and the cops before the video was made, and most probably afterward. I heard no one say the video had been edited before it was aired on the TV news. Bottom line: the video didn't tell the whole story, but people like George Bush saw it, freaked out and declared there had been injustice in the Simi Valley verdict of "not guilty" in the cops' trial. And don't imagine that he who attends these trials comes away with the certainty that they know exactly what went down. They only know what the lawyers on either side want them to know and are competent enough to reveal. But I'll bet King and the cops know exactly what went down! :) Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Bill, Seems to me they paid for NOT breaking the law. Just as Rodney King was the law-breaker, it is the cops that got tried and went to jail. Ole Rodney ended up smelling like a rose, a millionaire free to continue his dissolute lifestyle. This is all too typical of alf our topsy-turvy times Vi "What the world needs more of is not love, but justice." Anon. __ You wrote: . . .I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
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"Joan Moyer" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Bill, Seems as if Mr. King did quite nicely financially despite breaking the law. And who said crime didn't pay! G Joan -- From: William J. Foristal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two Date: Monday, April 27, 1998 5:07 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] (William J. Foristal) writes: Hi Vi, The video wasn't edited. They just didn't show the entire video. I"m sure King and the cops DO know exactly what went down. And they all paid for breaking the law. Bill On Sun, 26 Apr 1998 18:49:44 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, The point is there was a lot that went on between King and the cops before the video was made, and most probably afterward. I heard no one say the video had been edited before it was aired on the TV news. Bottom line: the video didn't tell the whole story, but people like George Bush saw it, freaked out and declared there had been injustice in the Simi Valley verdict of "not guilty" in the cops' trial. And don't imagine that he who attends these trials comes away with the certainty that they know exactly what went down. They only know what the lawyers on either side want them to know and are competent enough to reveal. But I'll bet King and the cops know exactly what went down! :) Vi __ You wrote: . . .I just wish that they had shown that video from the beginning to thepublic. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I must have seen the other one a million times though. It may have helped to understand why the jury came to the verdict that they came to.. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Viola Provenzano) writes: Hi Sue, Thanks for passing this on to law-issues. It is a long overdue overview of the Rodney King incident. I thinkj that anyone who wasn't freaked out by the video tape would have come to the same conclusion this report implies - that the police were doing their best to subdue a powerful felon who wouldn't obey their commands to lie down so he could be handcuffed. Vi _ You wrote: . . . As for Wind, two criminal injuries and one civil jury, not to mention an LAPD review board, found that his use of the baton that night was within policy, even though he lacked experience. . . _ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com Or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866] Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
Re: LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hi Vi: I just wish that they had shown that video from the beginning to the public. Maybe they did and I just missed it. I must have seen the other one a million times though. It may haave helped to understand why the jury came to the verdict that they came to. Sue Hi Sue, Thanks for passing this on to law-issues. It is a long overdue overview of the Rodney King incident. I thinkj that anyone who wasn't freaked out by the video tape would have come to the same conclusion this report implies - that the police were doing their best to subdue a powerful felon who wouldn't obey their commands to lie down so he could be handcuffed. Vi -- Two rules in life: 1. Don't tell people everything you know. 2. Subscribe/Unsubscribe, email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In the body of the message enter: subscribe/unsubscribe law-issues
LI The Rodney King Beating - The Other Story part two
Sue Hartigan [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: JUDY MULLER (VO) To understand Tim Wind outside the context of the King beating, its important to look inside that context. Just what was his role in that incident? First, he was a rookie officer who did not really know any of the others. His training officer for the evening, Larry Powell, had failed a qualifying test for baton use earlier that day. SGT CHARLES DUKE Larry Powell didnt have the technique, the strength or the training to successfully deal with that situation. JUDY MULLER (VO) The result? Powell swings wildly, catching King in the face and chest. The LAPD was forced to turn to the baton more frequently after the controversial chokehold was eliminated. Its a brutal weapon, even when its used correctly. SGT CHARLES DUKE And when you use a baton, youre going to break bones, youre going to cause injuries and it looks ugly and brutal and violent. JUDY MULLER (VO) As for Wind, two criminal injuries and one civil jury, not to mention an LAPD review board, found that his use of the baton that night was within policy, even though he lacked experience. TIM WIND It was the first time in my entire police career I ever used my baton on anyone. SGT CHARLES DUKE If you watch, he imitates, he evaluates, he stopped his baton swings when theres no threat. When there is a threat he uses his baton. JUDY MULLER (VO) Wind says he became frustrated with Kings resilience and he looked over to Sergeant Stacey Koon for some direction. TIM WIND And I paused going, you know, like what the hell do we do now? This isnt working, what do we do? And I looked up at him and he went, Hit him! JUDY MULLER (interviewing) He did? TIM WIND Yeah. You can see it on the tape. He goes, Hit him! Hit him! JUDY MULLER (VO) Meanwhile, Sergeant Koon had twice used a taser stun gun on King, which can send out 50,000 volts per hit. But King got up after each jolt. Most of the officers concluded that could only mean one thing. SGT CHARLES DUKE Every officer there, including the CHP, the Highway Patrol, believed that Rodney King was possibly under the influence of PCP. JUDY MULLER They really believed that? SGT CHARLES DUKE They really did. JUDY MULLER (VO) King says he was not on PCP, just drunk. So why did he continue to move after being shocked? He says ... RODNEY KING The officers kept beating me and running the electricity through me so I could not stay still with all the voltage going through my body like that. JUDY MULLER (VO) Finally, he did stop moving and put his hands behind his back to be cuffed. JOHN MACK I think most people could have understood if they had hit Rodney King a few times, you know, three or four times until they had him on the, had him subdued, you know, had him down on the ground, his arms, you know, handcuffed. Then its all over. JUDY MULLER (VO) But it was not all over and what happened next is the most controversial part of the arrest. First, Ted Briseno delivers a stomp to Kings neck. Tim Wind says he never saw that stomp. All he knew, he says, was ... TIM WIND He started to get back up and I had the, I couldnt let him do that. And we were, it almost over. I was like oh, no, you know? JUDY MULLER (interviewing) Hes getting up again? TIM WIND Yeah. I wished you could read minds through that tape because you would see what I was thinking and thats I could either mace him or kick him back over onto his stomach in the prone position where hed been a little earlier. JUDY MULLER (VO) And so while Powell continued to flail away with the baton, Wind used kicks. TIM WIND It didnt work and I guess just looked too bad. JUDY MULLER (VO) And those kicks still look bad to a lot of people, including the prosecutors. STEVEN CLYMER I really dont retry Mr Wind now. I still think that theyre very troubling and I think Ill always think that they were very troubling. He was kicking a man who was on the ground. TERRY WHITE I do think that it was proper to charge him and I do think the evidence was there to convict him. But I dont think that he is as blameworthy as the other defendants. JUDY MULLER (VO) Clymer agrees, saying Wind was in the wrong place at the wrong time. STEVEN CLYMER Because based on
