Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
Am 13.02.2022 um 23:22 schrieb Kostas Michalopoulos via lazarus: Beyond that, as i wrote in the merge request, MUI is even more "ancient" and yet Lazarus added support for it recently. I do not see why it being called obsolete by its original developers means that one couldn't work on it if they want, it is open source after all, the entire point is having the freedom to do things like that. While MUI might be ancient it's still actively used by current operating systems, namely MorphOS and AROS (and of course Amiga operating systems themselves, but they aren't actively developed anymore). Note: I'm not critizing your effort, in fact I'm welcoming it as myself want to find the time to make sure that current Lazarus works correctly on PowerPC Mac with Carbon again. Regards, Sven -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
Am 13.02.2022 um 22:58 schrieb Kostas Michalopoulos via lazarus: On 2/13/22 21:33, Sven Barth via lazarus wrote: Bart means the internal, private Lazarus developer list. I see, but then why tell me? :-P To explain to you that your request is looked at and why there might be delays in deciding about it. Regards, Sven -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
>From "Kostas" > As to why, as i wrote in the comment in > the merge request, i was curious about the Gtk 1.2 state, noticed that > it didn't work and decided to fix it. I just simply like it when > software doesn't drop support for old stuff just because they are old. I > am into retrocomputing and various retrocomputing communities and i like > being able to use modern software in retro environments (if anything i'd > like to see what it'd take to bring back Win9x support to both FPC and > Lazarus as in a game i made for a gamejam a couple of years ago i had to > use several year old versions of FPC to make a Win9x version that would > work with graphics cards on my older computers - like 3dfx Voodoo - and > couldn't make the editor available for it because it wouldn't compile on > the last Lazarus that supported Win9x - at least i was able to use the > latest FPC for the DOS version, which is great). Personally, I have deep respect to people who fight against entropy (in all senses). That make FPC/Lazarus community so special in my view. Please go on. -- Regards, Denis Golovan -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
On 2/13/22 23:41, Maxim Ganetsky via lazarus wrote: But I still can't understand, why you put so much an effort into an ancient and obsolete widgetset. I only spent 2-3 days, including getting Gtk 1.2 itself to compile and tracking down a gdk_pixbuf version that was compatible with Gtk 1.x, it wasn't that big of an effort. As to why, as i wrote in the comment in the merge request, i was curious about the Gtk 1.2 state, noticed that it didn't work and decided to fix it. I just simply like it when software doesn't drop support for old stuff just because they are old. I am into retrocomputing and various retrocomputing communities and i like being able to use modern software in retro environments (if anything i'd like to see what it'd take to bring back Win9x support to both FPC and Lazarus as in a game i made for a gamejam a couple of years ago i had to use several year old versions of FPC to make a Win9x version that would work with graphics cards on my older computers - like 3dfx Voodoo - and couldn't make the editor available for it because it wouldn't compile on the last Lazarus that supported Win9x - at least i was able to use the latest FPC for the DOS version, which is great). Beyond that, as i wrote in the merge request, MUI is even more "ancient" and yet Lazarus added support for it recently. I do not see why it being called obsolete by its original developers means that one couldn't work on it if they want, it is open source after all, the entire point is having the freedom to do things like that. Also i do not see why this is such an issue, the code is there and doesn't bother anyone - it isn't like i as a user who mostly works with win32 and gtk2 am bothered about the existence of gtk3/gtk4/cocoa/carbon/mui/fpgui/customdrawn/whatever. The worst that happens is that it takes a couple of MB of disk space in the source checkout. > IMHO finishing fpGUI widgetset makes much more sense. AFAIK fpGUI hasn't seen a release in years now and i think the development version has several incompatible changes, meaning that if anyone works on it now they may have a Gtk2->Gtk3->Gtk4 situation where they'll need to go and spend time getting the code base in a working state. TBH i am not a fan of APIs that break themselves - i'd rather make a Motif backend (it is technically still developed :-P and even theoretically an IEEE standard - or, well, it was at some point) as its API has a stability that goes back to the early 90s. While it'd be neat if there was support for it, it isn't something i personally find interesting. Also why fpGUI specifically and not the custom drawn widgetset instead? It does seem have some issues but at least this one seems to be 100% on Lazarus instead of relying on an external project to remain working. Kostas -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
On 2/13/22 21:33, Sven Barth via lazarus wrote: Bart means the internal, private Lazarus developer list. I see, but then why tell me? :-P Kostas -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
12.02.2022 20:25, Kostas Michalopoulos via lazarus пишет: Sending this mail again since it didn't arrive last time (can't even see it in the archives). This is actually my third attempt, using my gmail account now (i tried my own email - not sure if it didn't pass through because the other one wasn't subscribed or due to some configuration issue... the mailing list page mentions that i only need to be subscribed to receive messages, not to send them too so i assumed it'd work - in the former case, i wonder how many of my replies were ignored since i switched to my own domain's account). --- Hi all, I submitted some fixes for the Gtk 1.2 LCL backend here that should bring it in working state (as it is right now it doesn't build due to some procs being moved to other units and even after adding those it barely works, windows get moved to 0,0, changing desktops or shading windows is broken, opening various dialogs crashes the program and other nice stuff :-P). https://gitlab.com/freepascal.org/lazarus/lazarus/-/merge_requests/69 In the meantime your fixes have been merged. But I still can't understand, why you put so much an effort into an ancient and obsolete widgetset. IMHO finishing fpGUI widgetset makes much more sense. -- Best regards, Maxim Ganetsky mailto:gan...@narod.ru -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
Kostas Michalopoulos via lazarus schrieb am So., 13. Feb. 2022, 18:31: > On 2/13/22 16:49, Bart via lazarus wrote: > > On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 6:25 PM Kostas Michalopoulos via lazarus > > wrote: > > > > This is currently being discussed on the devel ML. > > > > Isn't this the development mailing list? Most of the discussion seems to > be about Lazarus' development and can't find any other list mentioned in > https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/ Bart means the internal, private Lazarus developer list. Regards, Sven -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
On 2/13/22 16:49, Bart via lazarus wrote: On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 6:25 PM Kostas Michalopoulos via lazarus wrote: This is currently being discussed on the devel ML. Isn't this the development mailing list? Most of the discussion seems to be about Lazarus' development and can't find any other list mentioned in https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/ Kostas -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Gtk 1.2 fixes (again)
On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 6:25 PM Kostas Michalopoulos via lazarus wrote: This is currently being discussed on the devel ML. -- Bart -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Small problem with a application that uses a Firebird database
Hi Mattias, Yes, 1 running thread for about 2 seconds, source = :, line = 0. So I have no idea what and where to look. mvg Frans van Leeuwen M 06-51695390 Op 12-2-2022 om 21:00 schreef Mattias Gaertner via lazarus: On Sat, 12 Feb 2022 14:38:55 +0100 nibbikfrans via lazarus wrote: [...] When I can't open the database because it's in use by a different application (FlameRobin), I generate an error message. And now when I close the application the main form is destroyed immidiately but the Debug screen is still visible for about 2 seconds. The application is also visible that long in the taskmanager. Sounds as if some finalization takes 2 seconds. Maybe a running thread? [...] Mattias -- Deze e-mail is gecontroleerd op virussen door AVG. http://www.avg.com -- ___ lazarus mailing list lazarus@lists.lazarus-ide.org https://lists.lazarus-ide.org/listinfo/lazarus
