Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
On 30 June 2015 at 11:44, luiz americo pereira camara luiz...@oi.com.br wrote: 2015-06-30 6:07 GMT-03:00 Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org: We use ExtJS at work, but are switching to Angular. If you want to go with Angular in the long run you will need to use TypeScript. http://www.itworld.com/article/2894936/googles-angular-2-being-built-with-microsofts-typescript.html Unless you stay in 1.x and all it's problems https://javascriptkicks.com/articles/2657/i-wont-be-using-angular-for-my-next-project-and-neither-should-you https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9325501 https://medium.com/@mnemon1ck/why-you-should-not-use-angularjs-1df5ddf6fc99 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8830640 Luiz -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus http://smartmobilestudio.com/feature-matrix/ -- Frank Church === http://devblog.brahmancreations.com -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
On Mon, 6 Jul 2015, vfclists . wrote: On 30 June 2015 at 11:44, luiz americo pereira camara luiz...@oi.com.br wrote: 2015-06-30 6:07 GMT-03:00 Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org: We use ExtJS at work, but are switching to Angular. If you want to go with Angular in the long run you will need to use TypeScript. http://www.itworld.com/article/2894936/googles-angular-2-being-built-with-microsofts-typescript.html That's really bad news :( Well, we're not that far yet, there is still time to reconsider. Michael. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Bee wrote: On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Bee wrote: Hi all, Just found this: http://www.vcljs.com Is it possible to use it as LCL for the web? I would not recommend it. It's typescript, not javascript. Typescript is an M$ experiment. You need visual studio for it to work. (conceivably it can be used without VS, but it is an additional hurdle). TypeScript outputs JavaScript, right? Is it possible to use the JS directly? I have no idea. I dropped the idea of Typescript as soon as I saw that you need Visual Studio to be able to handle it halfway decent. The new features in upcoming releases of Javascript should remove the need for Typescript anyway... There are many javascript widgetsets out there that can be used as VCL for the web: React, ExtJS, Angular, Jquery UI etc. Focusing on one is not the right approach IMHO. Not to mention that they all evolve at breathtaking speed, and what is current today is no longer current next year. Supporting one of many JS libraries doesn't mean only focusing on one and only that. Consider it like desktop widgetset, there are GDI, QT, GTK, Cocoa, etc. I just found another alternative. Its advantage is similar object model to VCL, so perhaps it might attract someone out here to create a new web-widget project. :) All correct. But then I'd prefer to start with a widely supported one, and not an obscure one that is designed for VS. Just a matter of preference. Michael.-- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Michael Schnell wrote: On 06/30/2015 08:31 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: There are many javascript widgetsets out there that can be used as VCL for the web: React, ExtJS, Angular, Jquery UI etc. Any recommendation for one of those to create a server-based application featuring a web-based remote GUI that is supposed to not very complex, but active (i.e. sowing internal states of the server based application by a kind of reverse event. They all operate more or less on the same principle concerning servers. I know none that works with websockets. I only know EXTJS (in the EXTPASCAL incarnation) to have had (at some time in the past) an at least exceptionally working link top fpc/Lazarus. We use ExtJS at work, but are switching to Angular. Neither of them can be used using FPC/Lazarus classes to generate Javascript. (though there is Raudus, but that's not very scalable) Michael. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
On 06/30/2015 08:31 AM, Michael Van Canneyt wrote: There are many javascript widgetsets out there that can be used as VCL for the web: React, ExtJS, Angular, Jquery UI etc. Any recommendation for one of those to create a server-based application featuring a web-based remote GUI that is supposed to not very complex, but active (i.e. sowing internal states of the server based application by a kind of reverse event. I only know EXTJS (in the EXTPASCAL incarnation) to have had (at some time in the past) an at least exceptionally working link top fpc/Lazarus. -Michael -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 1:31 PM, Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org wrote: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Bee wrote: Hi all, Just found this: http://www.vcljs.com Is it possible to use it as LCL for the web? I would not recommend it. It's typescript, not javascript. Typescript is an M$ experiment. You need visual studio for it to work. (conceivably it can be used without VS, but it is an additional hurdle). TypeScript outputs JavaScript, right? Is it possible to use the JS directly? There are many javascript widgetsets out there that can be used as VCL for the web: React, ExtJS, Angular, Jquery UI etc. Focusing on one is not the right approach IMHO. Not to mention that they all evolve at breathtaking speed, and what is current today is no longer current next year. Supporting one of many JS libraries doesn't mean only focusing on one and only that. Consider it like desktop widgetset, there are GDI, QT, GTK, Cocoa, etc. I just found another alternative. Its advantage is similar object model to VCL, so perhaps it might attract someone out here to create a new web-widget project. :) -- -Bee- -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
2015-06-30 5:44 GMT-03:00 Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org: On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Bee wrote: TypeScript outputs JavaScript, right? Is it possible to use the JS directly? Yes. TypeScript outputs JavaScript. Is it possible to use the JS directly in VCLJS? - I dont know I have no idea. I dropped the idea of Typescript as soon as I saw that you need Visual Studio to be able to handle it halfway decent. I dont use TypeScript today and dont have plans to use it, but is gaining traction in the JS landscape. The next version of Angular (the most popular JS framework) will be written in TypeScript. Regarding IDE support WebStorm has native support. Other editors like Sublime or Atom have plugins for it. The new features in upcoming releases of Javascript should remove the need for Typescript anyway... TypeScript is a superset of ECMAScript2015, which as TypeScript also needs a transpiler like Babel BTW: not impressed by VCL.JS Luiz -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
On Tue, 30 Jun 2015, Bee wrote: Hi all, Just found this: http://www.vcljs.com Is it possible to use it as LCL for the web? I would not recommend it. It's typescript, not javascript. Typescript is an M$ experiment. You need visual studio for it to work. (conceivably it can be used without VS, but it is an additional hurdle). There are many javascript widgetsets out there that can be used as VCL for the web: React, ExtJS, Angular, Jquery UI etc. Focusing on one is not the right approach IMHO. Not to mention that they all evolve at breathtaking speed, and what is current today is no longer current next year. Michael.-- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
Yes Im agree with Michael . VLC is here for years but JS libraries are young and die young. But some of theme like React are new but attract enough attention to work something on. Regards, Ara -- http://www.fastmail.com - The professional email service -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] VCLJS
2015-06-30 6:07 GMT-03:00 Michael Van Canneyt mich...@freepascal.org: We use ExtJS at work, but are switching to Angular. If you want to go with Angular in the long run you will need to use TypeScript. http://www.itworld.com/article/2894936/googles-angular-2-being-built-with-microsofts-typescript.html Unless you stay in 1.x and all it's problems https://javascriptkicks.com/articles/2657/i-wont-be-using-angular-for-my-next-project-and-neither-should-you https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9325501 https://medium.com/@mnemon1ck/why-you-should-not-use-angularjs-1df5ddf6fc99 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8830640 Luiz -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] VCLJS
Hi all, Just found this: http://www.vcljs.com Is it possible to use it as --say-- LCL for the web? Regards, -- -Bee- -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
[Lazarus] VCLJS
Hi all, Just found this: http://www.vcljs.com Is it possible to use it as LCL for the web? Regards, -- -Bee- -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
