Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 04/15/2013 06:26 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: ... I highly recommend you try Ubuntu One [https://one.ubuntu.com/], which is available for Linux, Windows, Mac OSX, iOS and Android. You get 5GB of data storage free, and can share files (with the public, or privately with your own devices) and sync files with great ease. Plus, NO distracting ads in the interface. Yeah! :-) Unless you know better, Graeme, it appears from what I've just read that your list should read UBUNTU, Windows, Mac OSX... That's the impression the website gives, anyway. Maybe it's distro-independent if you're using Thunderbird. I don't know, because I use Debian, Icedove is based on the LTS version of Thunderbird, and it's still on 10.x Brian. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 2013-04-18 19:08, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: No actually i am a fan, but not for shoving in the browser stuff that should have been native applications that take full advantage of my computer's resources and my operating system's facilities. +1 I also believe the web has its place, but so too does desktop applications. The latter being infinitely faster, feature rich, offline enabled etc. Regards, - Graeme - -- fpGUI Toolkit - a cross-platform GUI toolkit using Free Pascal http://fpgui.sourceforge.net/ -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Andrew Brunner atbrun...@aurawin.comwrote: I'm going to have to stop at this singular point. Aurawin web apps are instantly accessible globally and scaleable. Yeah, but the majority of people use their apps in one or two computers (home and work) so it doesn't matter. But even if they wanted more... No fuss. No desktop even today can do that. ...they could simply use a USB key to carry around their apps. Desktop apps today tend to be more portable (in the you carry it around in your USB key sense) than they used to. Or more likely, they could simply install the app in both computers. Nothing to install, nothing to remove, and no risk to you. Complete opposite of desktop software installs. If the user wants to use an application he will download it and install it. Users who want to use applications go out of their way to make them run if these applications have any value to them (people are building *emulators* to be able to do that!). If there is no value in the application, then, sure, you must remove any possible friction. But at that point you should keep in mind that you are making something the users do not find worth even downloading. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Andrew Brunner atbrun...@aurawin.comwrote: Well, the only thing I would suggest is to compare. Aurawin offers stream compression across all your devices. And since it's a virtualized desktop, it works on ANY HTML5 enabled device :-) Further, Aurawin offers video streaming and conversion features that take your camera videos and converts them to streamable Mpeg formats. I'm sorry if i'll sound too negative, but... Aurawin is the worst kind of the web-based bloatedness that started to spread the last few years. PLEASE PEOPLE STOP PUTTING ALL THIS #(*(@ ON THE BROWSER! It is like developers wake up every morning and come up with new things to shove in the browser. The web wasn't made for this! The Aurawin project is open source, so that means anyone can run their own servers. Think of it as an open source virtual computer with apps. File sharing is just one included offering. Maybe, but right now i'm on a network that serves downloads for multiple users over the world and i *still* had to wait several seconds in order to show a simple login form. My 4.77MHz XT could do it faster than this. I feel that Aurawin social networking goes far beyond what our competition will **safely** offer. But there is still much more work to be done there. I don't care for your bloatedness. Dropbox installs a small deamon that syncs files across computers with little network usage. That is all it does and doesn't need to do anything more! Stop bulletpoint driven development. I agree. But both Microsoft and their flagship Windows product is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Yeah, only everyone minus a tiny ~2% minority in the world uses Windows. And my quote was only an example to show that Features Do Not Matter. It is where the people go that matters. Now please stop the spam. Thanks. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 04/18/2013 07:21 AM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 6:33 PM, Andrew Brunner atbrun...@aurawin.com mailto:atbrun...@aurawin.com wrote: Well, the only thing I would suggest is to compare. Aurawin offers stream compression across all your devices. And since it's a virtualized desktop, it works on ANY HTML5 enabled device :-) Further, Aurawin offers video streaming and conversion features that take your camera videos and converts them to streamable Mpeg formats. I'm sorry if i'll sound too negative, but... Aurawin is the worst kind of the web-based bloatedness that started to spread the last few years. Ok, I can tell you are no fan of HTML5 :-( PLEASE PEOPLE STOP PUTTING ALL THIS #(*(@ ON THE BROWSER! That's simply not going to happen. There is a rising tide that is pushing HTML to new heights. It is like developers wake up every morning and come up with new things to shove in the browser. The web wasn't made for this! Wow. That has to be the boldest statement I have ever heard. On who's authority did you make that assessment? Maybe, but right now i'm on a network that serves downloads for multiple users over the world and i *still* had to wait several seconds in order to show a simple login form. My 4.77MHz XT could do it faster than this. First loading, your browser must cache the framework. Subsequent loads are fast. I don't care for your bloatedness. Dropbox installs a small deamon that syncs files across computers with little network usage. That is all it does and doesn't need to do anything more! Ah, so you are a minimalist. Stop bulletpoint driven development. Care to elaborate? I agree. But both Microsoft and their flagship Windows product is rapidly becoming irrelevant. Yeah, only everyone minus a tiny ~2% minority in the world uses Windows. And my quote was only an example to show that Features Do Not Matter. It is where the people go that matters. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/16/windows-its-over-tech-site-declares/ As HTML5+ becomes adopted you will see a shift in alliances towards independence. I like to think that's what we're doing here. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:19 PM, Andrew Brunner atbrun...@aurawin.comwrote: Ok, I can tell you are no fan of HTML5 :-( No actually i am a fan, but not for shoving in the browser stuff that should have been native applications that take full advantage of my computer's resources and my operating system's facilities. For example i am a fan of offline storage for storing things like the last mailbox i opened in my web-based mail client (which makes total sense since we're talking about something networked). I'm a fan of JavaScript using requests to update the page partially so the whole thing doesn't have to be reloaded every time. I'm a fan for WebGL when it is used for stuff like showing in practice how some 3D math work (a recent series of OpenGL/WebGL tutorials did that - for every lesson you had interactive demo alongside the lesson - and it was a very good to learn). I'm not a fan for trying to mimic desktop UIs (we have the desktop for that) using a much slower technology that was never designed for such a use. I'm not a fan of web apps which try to do stuff that would have been trivial to do in the desktop using a dedicated tool for that (such as Lazarus) and present the feat as something positive. I'm not a fan for trying to create editors that - for security reasons obviously - cannot fully access my file system. I'm not a fan of playing Quake 2 on my browser when i can simply launch Steam and do it fine. I'm not a fan of web apps which do stuff that proper native programs did better and faster 20 years ago on the desktop. I'm not a fan of web apps that if they were released as shareware 10 years ago would have been largely ignored by the users because of their mediocre features and design and the only way they manage to survive today is that users do not have to pay for them because the developers managed to convert users to products by selling ads, usage statistics and other stuff. I'm not a fan of relying on programs developed by people like the above and by people whose only reason to make the program (service they call it usually - but service to whom?) is so they get big and be bought by Facebook, Google, Microsoft or whomever for whatever reason on which later people will depend on them to not shut down like many others in the past. Of course if you ask these developers they'll swear that they would never do that and it never crossed their minds. I'm not a fan of losing control of my computer. That's simply not going to happen. There is a rising tide that is pushing HTML to new heights. The higher it'll go, the more painful the crash will be when it falls on our heads. Wow. That has to be the boldest statement I have ever heard. On who's authority did you make that assessment? it is right there in the name of the most important part of the whole web platform: Hyper*TEXT* Markup Language. First loading, your browser must cache the framework. Subsequent loads are fast. Subsequent loads from the same computer with the same browser and assuming i haven't configured the browser (or isn't configured by the IT department) to clean the cache when i close it. Which, btw, even if it wasn't configured as such, it is still too small (and for a reason: i'm not using a cache to download the whole Internet). If every site needs 1MB of framework (or whatever, i didn't really check the framework size there) then they'll start fighting against each other in the cache and invalidate it. I'm not getting a faster connection so people can make bloated pages made using the latest and greatest fad they learned about, i'm getting a faster connection so things *will load faster*. Ah, so you are a minimalist. When i want to do X i prefer a tool that does X alone, not X and Y and Z and a bunch of other stuff i do not care about, especially when the latter tool is MUCH slower than the former. Care to elaborate? Do not develop software only to have more things to list as features. Good software isn't always the software that has the most features. http://www.foxnews.com/tech/2013/04/16/windows-its-over-tech-site-declares You could link to the original article, i found it more interesting :-P. Yes, i agree that Metro is a failure and shouldn't exist (and probably wont exist for long), but Microsoft has a TREMENDOUS inertia. It'll need multiple equally big blunders for them to start being anything close to irrelevant. As HTML5+ becomes adopted you will see a shift in alliances towards independence. Sadly most of the time this independence seems to be independence from users. I like to think that's what we're doing here. Hopefully not. After all browsers aren't written to run in themselves. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 04/18/2013 01:08 PM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: I'm not a fan of web apps which do stuff that proper native programs did better and faster 20 years ago on the desktop. I'm going to have to stop at this singular point. Aurawin web apps are instantly accessible globally and scaleable. No fuss. No desktop even today can do that. Nothing to install, nothing to remove, and no risk to you. Complete opposite of desktop software installs. Thanks for your feedback though. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:25 PM, Andrew Brunner atbrun...@aurawin.comwrote: I disagree. I think most people are willing to think different. The first come first serve is probably best disproved by MySpace vs Facebook and in turn Facebook vs Google. People are free to make choices. Otherwise you will have nothing but stagnation. I didn't meant that people wouldn't go to another service, but it is true that Dropbox has a lot of inertia and the alternatives do not offer anything important to switch. Personally in all cases i know, they offer worse - Dropbox is available in all major desktop OSes and mobile platforms, has a very simple and intuitive setup and website, integrates with the desktop even if you use something non-mainstream like Linux with LXDE, has very good network usage with delta compression and such which is very important if you use 3G, etc... i simply haven't seen all these features combined in other similar services. And with the folder sharing and the last feature they added with APIs for developers to use they're also developing a strong network effect which will make it harder for people to switch to somewhere else. Also i'm not sure if people *always* switch to better alternatives. Case in point: ICQ vs MSN. When MSN was introduced, ICQ was superior. But MSN came with Windows :-). -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 04/16/2013 04:02 AM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: I didn't meant that people wouldn't go to another service, but it is true that Dropbox has a lot of inertia and the alternatives do not offer anything important to switch. Personally in all cases i know, they offer worse - Dropbox is available in all major desktop OSes and mobile platforms, has a very simple and intuitive setup and website, integrates with the desktop even if you use something non-mainstream like Linux with LXDE, has very good network usage with delta compression and such which is very important if you use 3G, etc... i simply haven't seen all these features combined in other similar services. Well, the only thing I would suggest is to compare. Aurawin offers stream compression across all your devices. And since it's a virtualized desktop, it works on ANY HTML5 enabled device :-) Further, Aurawin offers video streaming and conversion features that take your camera videos and converts them to streamable Mpeg formats. The Aurawin project is open source, so that means anyone can run their own servers. Think of it as an open source virtual computer with apps. File sharing is just one included offering. And with the folder sharing and the last feature they added with APIs for developers to use they're also developing a strong network effect which will make it harder for people to switch to somewhere else. I feel that Aurawin social networking goes far beyond what our competition will **safely** offer. But there is still much more work to be done there. Also i'm not sure if people *always* switch to better alternatives. Case in point: ICQ vs MSN. When MSN was introduced, ICQ was superior. But MSN came with Windows :-). I agree. But both Microsoft and their flagship Windows product is rapidly becoming irrelevant. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
I've been using Google Drive for this. Google Drive has some nice features. Do you think Ubuntu One is better? On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 1:26 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys gra...@geldenhuys.co.ukwrote: Hi, I have seen many people wanting to share large files, and use various services on the internet. Most of them have only than single function, expire the link after a while, and also bombard you with adverts - with is rather annoying. I highly recommend you try Ubuntu One [https://one.ubuntu.com/], which is available for Linux, Windows, Mac OSX, iOS and Android. You get 5GB of data storage free, and can share files (with the public, or privately with your own devices) and sync files with great ease. Plus, NO distracting ads in the interface. Yeah! :-) As a bonus, if you get others to join, you _both_ get another 500MB free - just click the following link to sign up and we both score. https://one.ubuntu.com/referrals/referee/247/ TIP --- Mozilla Thunderbird 16 and above even has Ubuntu One support built-in. By default file attachments over 5MB (configurable) will trigger Thunderbird and ask if you rather want to use FileLink, which will then upload the file to Ubuntu One, mark it as public, and instead of an attachment, give a download link. This is pretty neat. You can directly use the FileLink feature too, you don't have to wait on Thunderbird to trigger the response. Download links also don't expire (unlike other services), until you physically delete them. I have been using the Ubuntu One service between two computers (a Linux system and iMac) and my Android phone. It works really well. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- Shalom, Avishai avishai.g...@gmail.com אבישי גוֹר -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 15/04/13 11:53, Avishai wrote: I've been using Google Drive for this. Google Drive has some nice features. Do you think Ubuntu One is better? To be honest, I have never tried Google Drive so can't compare. Ubuntu One has been around for some years now, and I created an account when it was released. Seeing that I had an account, I started using it in recent months. It is super handy for my Android phone too. Photos are instantly uploaded (as private) as I take them. Then when I get to my desktop PC, all my photos from my phone are already on the hard drive. Cool. :) From the little I have read about Google Drive, it seems from a high level view, that the services are similar. Thunderbird doesn't yet have built-in Google Drive support though. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 15/04/13 11:53, Avishai wrote: I've been using Google Drive for this. Google Drive has some nice features. Do you think Ubuntu One is better? I just noticed that there is also no official Google Drive software for Linux or FreeBSD. https://support.google.com/drive/bin/topic.py?topic=2375050 Only Macs and Windows desktops are supported. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 04/15/2013 05:26 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, I have seen many people wanting to share large files, and use various services on the internet. Most of them have only than single function, expire the link after a while, and also bombard you with adverts - with is rather annoying. I would certainly recommend people check out Aurawin. You can create networks to have content / centered around each project. You can upload large files as well. Plus, Aurawin is entirely done with Lazarus/FPC :-) -- Andrew Brunner Aurawin LLC 15843 Garrison Circle Austin, TX 78717 https://aurawin.com Aurawin is a great new way to store, share, and explore all your content featuring our innovative cloud social computing platform. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
Graeme Geldenhuys makes a good point though. There are many ways to share large files without tormenting with advertisements. Aurawin is a new one for me. I'll have to check it out. Thanks. On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Andrew Brunner atbrun...@aurawin.com wrote: On 04/15/2013 05:26 AM, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: Hi, I have seen many people wanting to share large files, and use various services on the internet. Most of them have only than single function, expire the link after a while, and also bombard you with adverts - with is rather annoying. I would certainly recommend people check out Aurawin. You can create networks to have content / centered around each project. You can upload large files as well. Plus, Aurawin is entirely done with Lazarus/FPC :-) -- Andrew Brunner Aurawin LLC 15843 Garrison Circle Austin, TX 78717 https://aurawin.com Aurawin is a great new way to store, share, and explore all your content featuring our innovative cloud social computing platform. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- Shalom, Avishai avishai.g...@gmail.com אבישי גוֹר -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 15/04/13 14:04, Andrew Brunner wrote: I would certainly recommend people check out Aurawin. Just some user feedback... 1) When I visit the url with Firefox, I get a nasty looking warning about website certificate issue - the website doesn't supply ownership information. I had to confirm the warning and check a combobox to permanently ignore the warning in future. Then only could I see the website. Not sure what that is about, but not a good entry to a website. 2) What is up with the scrollbars? They operate wrong way round! Everywhere where I see a scrollbar on the right and click the scroll-button, and drag it with the mouse, the content moves in the wrong direction, compared to all other scrollbars on my PC. This is very annoying and confusing. 3) Also while dragging the scrollbar-button, my mouse pointer moves faster than the scrollbar. So very quickly my mouse is at the bottom of the screen, but the scrollbar is still high up in the page. I have to then click the scrollbar again and do the scroll again. I have to repeat this a few times to get to the bottom of any scrollable area. Aurawin is entirely done with Lazarus/FPC :-) +1 Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
I use Dropbox for this and is good for my uses. Also most people seem to use Dropbox instead of other similar services (possibly because it was the first 'good' such service) and it is hard to convince them switch to other stuff :-P On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys gra...@geldenhuys.co.ukwrote: On 15/04/13 14:04, Andrew Brunner wrote: I would certainly recommend people check out Aurawin. Just some user feedback... 1) When I visit the url with Firefox, I get a nasty looking warning about website certificate issue - the website doesn't supply ownership information. I had to confirm the warning and check a combobox to permanently ignore the warning in future. Then only could I see the website. Not sure what that is about, but not a good entry to a website. 2) What is up with the scrollbars? They operate wrong way round! Everywhere where I see a scrollbar on the right and click the scroll-button, and drag it with the mouse, the content moves in the wrong direction, compared to all other scrollbars on my PC. This is very annoying and confusing. 3) Also while dragging the scrollbar-button, my mouse pointer moves faster than the scrollbar. So very quickly my mouse is at the bottom of the screen, but the scrollbar is still high up in the page. I have to then click the scrollbar again and do the scroll again. I have to repeat this a few times to get to the bottom of any scrollable area. Aurawin is entirely done with Lazarus/FPC :-) +1 Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 15/04/13 15:47, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: I use Dropbox for this and is good for my uses. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I didn't mean to say Ubuntu One is the only file sharing service everybody should use. My major gripe was that many developers share code on sites that bombard you with Porn or some other Viagra or Dating type ads. Ubuntu One is just one service that doesn't have such annoying and intrusive ads. I'm sure other services like DropBox or Google Drive etc are great too. They just don't have built-in support in Mozilla Thunderbird yet (my mail and news client of preference), and the most popular email client of this list. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
No problem. I understood what you were saying. I think everyone hates unwanted ads. But they do help pay the bills so I guess they're somewhat unavoidable. But when there is an ad-free option that works just as well or better, why not choose it? On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 5:59 PM, Graeme Geldenhuys gra...@geldenhuys.co.uk wrote: On 15/04/13 15:47, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: I use Dropbox for this and is good for my uses. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I didn't mean to say Ubuntu One is the only file sharing service everybody should use. My major gripe was that many developers share code on sites that bombard you with Porn or some other Viagra or Dating type ads. Ubuntu One is just one service that doesn't have such annoying and intrusive ads. I'm sure other services like DropBox or Google Drive etc are great too. They just don't have built-in support in Mozilla Thunderbird yet (my mail and news client of preference), and the most popular email client of this list. Regards, - Graeme - -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus -- Shalom, Avishai avishai.g...@gmail.com אבישי גוֹר -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 04/15/2013 09:47 AM, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: I use Dropbox for this and is good for my uses. Also most people seem to use Dropbox instead of other similar services (possibly because it was the first 'good' such service) and it is hard to convince them switch to other stuff :-P I disagree. I think most people are willing to think different. The first come first serve is probably best disproved by MySpace vs Facebook and in turn Facebook vs Google. People are free to make choices. Otherwise you will have nothing but stagnation. -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
Re: [Lazarus] Sharing of large files
On 4/15/2013 10:59, Graeme Geldenhuys wrote: On 15/04/13 15:47, Kostas Michalopoulos wrote: I use Dropbox for this and is good for my uses. Sorry if there was a misunderstanding. I didn't mean to say Ubuntu One is the only file sharing service everybody should use. My major gripe was that many developers share code on sites that bombard you with Porn or some other Viagra or Dating type ads. Ubuntu One is just one service that doesn't have such annoying and intrusive ads. i just have to chime in on this one time... i rarely see ads on any sites i visit... not dropbox, facebook, various news paper sites, or any other ad infested sites... i explicitly use adblockplus and noscript for this and they work wonders in keeping the trash off my screens and out of my systems ;) -- ___ Lazarus mailing list Lazarus@lists.lazarus.freepascal.org http://lists.lazarus.freepascal.org/mailman/listinfo/lazarus
