Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:56:26 pm Gary Thornock wrote: I also depend primarily on DansGuardian on BSD for my content filtering, and I agree that it's not something that most parents can set up. I can, and did, but turned it off. We've decided to handle the issue a different way, with the kids' computer placed in the kitchen/dining room where little privacy is available, plus discussion of the issues and occasional review of the kids' browsing habits. There are two sides to the filtering question, IMO. On the one hand, we all know that once you see something, that image will stick with you, so parents can help their children by ensuring they never see porn. On the other hand, kids are frequently out of our homes and our control and if they want to see porn, there are lots of places they can do it, so what we really want to do is to teach them not to want to look at it. That's much harder than blocking it, but much more valuable as well. This is a difficult question and there's no solid right or wrong answer, but my wife and I have put a lot of thought into it (prompted by discovering that one of our children had looked at porn, at age 8) and we've decided to focus on accountability and education, rather than blocking. One (OSS!) tool that I have found very helpful in encouraging accountability is timeoutd. It runs on Linux and probably other Unixes, and allows the administrator to specify various time limits on computer usage, by login account. The main purpose is to limit the amount of time the kids spend playing on the computer to a reasonable level, but a nice side effect is that it discourages account sharing. After I implemented timeoutd, the kids no longer share their passwords. When you combine that with per-account web browser histories, it gives me a pretty good way to determine who is looking at what stuff on-line. Of course, the most important part of this approach to handling the Internet problem is lots of discussion of the issues and the temporal and eternal benefits of obedience. The pupose of being able to review browsing history is just so that we know if/when our approach is failing. My $0.02 Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Capture of Streamed WMV
On 5/16/07, John Epeneter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We all knew this day would come Someone in my stake wants to show part of the PBS Mormon documentary as part of a priesthood talk. What I need to get is the interview with Elder Jensen when he talks about how his mission changed his life. I found it on PBS.org (http://www.pbs.org/mormons/view/) and can view it on my computer. Of course it is a streamed video, so I went to the cache and found the ASX file. Editing the file, I found the MMS URL but that is where I get stuck. I have never found a way to just file-save save the stream to a file. I have found a number of shareware/freeware/trialware programs that are supposed to help me do this (http://all-streaming-media.com/record-video-stream/record-streaming-vid eo-windows-media.htm), and have tried most of them with little satisfaction. Does anyone have a suggestion? -John- PS. Yes, I think this is fair use and therefore have little concern for copyright issues. ___ mplayer supports a mode where you give it an URL to an asx file, it will parse the file and then play the stream, BUT you can also dump that stream to a file using the -dumpstream command line option, if you also use -dumpfile filename it will dump the stream to that file (otherwise it uses ./stream.dump). From there you should be able to transcode it to whatever format your heart desires. It all depends on how the streaming server is setup though. There may be other options as well, just one I have used in the past. slide ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Capture of Streamed WMV
What media do they want it on? I did record it on my Dish DVR, but since they conveniently do not provide a way to copy your shows off of that, I can go low-tech and record it to a VHS tape. I would go to a DVD, but I haven't been able to write the business case for that to my home financial manager/wife. Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Epeneter Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 11:12 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] Capture of Streamed WMV We all knew this day would come Someone in my stake wants to show part of the PBS Mormon documentary as part of a priesthood talk. What I need to get is the interview with Elder Jensen when he talks about how his mission changed his life. I found it on PBS.org (http://www.pbs.org/mormons/view/) and can view it on my computer. Of course it is a streamed video, so I went to the cache and found the ASX file. Editing the file, I found the MMS URL but that is where I get stuck. I have never found a way to just file-save save the stream to a file. I have found a number of shareware/freeware/trialware programs that are supposed to help me do this (http://all-streaming-media.com/record-video-stream/record-streaming-vid eo-windows-media.htm), and have tried most of them with little satisfaction. Does anyone have a suggestion? -John- PS. Yes, I think this is fair use and therefore have little concern for copyright issues. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On 5/16/07, Shawn Willden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 15 May 2007 10:56:26 pm Gary Thornock wrote: I also depend primarily on DansGuardian on BSD for my content filtering, and I agree that it's not something that most parents can set up. I can, and did, but turned it off. We've decided to handle the issue a different way, with the kids' computer placed in the kitchen/dining room where little privacy is available, plus discussion of the issues and occasional review of the kids' browsing habits. we've decided to focus on accountability and education, rather than blocking. There is a lot of wisdom in what you say, Shawn. Even without the internet, kids can and will be exposed to harmful images, music, etc. This discussion reminds me of a recent 5th Sunday discussion in my ward on the topic. People started excitedly sharing their favorite internet filtering and computer access limiting tools, when the bishop's wife raised her hand and said with a wry grin on her face, The problem with all of this is that kids are smarter than us about computers, and I don't know if you know this, Bishop, but your son knows how to get around the password you set on the computer. Technical solutions are not the answer. They do help, if the kids (or adults!) first want to avoid the stuff that they filter out in the first place. If they don't want stuff filtered, then technical solutions are no good. If you want to teach your kids (or self) to want the bad stuff to be filtered, I don't think technical solutions are any help with that either. I would even hazard that filters or locks could increase curiosity and have a negative effect in decreasing desire to see bad stuff. I would definitely stress that technical tools are no replacement for the preaching of the word (or education and accountability as Shawn said), but don't leave out tips on good tools. In fact, I'll add to your list of tools. Check out this for filtering profanity: http://userscripts.org/scripts/show/4175 (It's a greasemonkey script) Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14
You are correct that monitoring and accountability, combined with education is the first and most important defense against pornography. However, as you mentioned, those images can stay with someone and cause in appropriate thoughts even if accessed accidentally. This is where gentle filtering comes in. I just downloaded K9, and I can say that so far it's been an excellent product, but by default it blocks a lot of stuff that it shouldn't, by default, block. (Like P2P sites). But that is easy to fix. K9 also includes browser history viewing, to allow for monitoring. This brings up another issue- ISP filtering presents some real challenges- like the inability to control what is filtered and what isn't, and difficulty of allowing an incorrectly filtered site through. Some services may be better than others, but in general, I wouldn't recommend ISP level filtering. The ideal solution would be monitoring software that records when, how much, and what is viewed, combined with a filter warning when someone might accidentally try to access inappropriate content. This should eliminate most issues of accidental access, and allow for monitoring for intentional access. Of course, education and open communication is the key to prevention. - James Lee Vann ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14
So first off, I agree...very good points mentioned I'm still surprised how many people don't start by blacklisting EVERYTHING, then working on validating sites as Safe of varying degrees (with parent over shoulder, one day, with filter, text only, etc). This is what we do in our house, yes it a pain when you're trying to do something and it goes to a site not on your whitelist, but then it forces a discussion...or at least a prayer or two. Just a thought, David -- David B Heise [EMAIL PROTECTED] I confess that I do not know everything, but of some things I am certain - Gordon B Hinckley From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Prince Ensign Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 4:38 PM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] Re: Ldsoss Digest, Vol 40, Issue 14 You are correct that monitoring and accountability, combined with education is the first and most important defense against pornography. However, as you mentioned, those images can stay with someone and cause in appropriate thoughts even if accessed accidentally. This is where gentle filtering comes in. I just downloaded K9, and I can say that so far it's been an excellent product, but by default it blocks a lot of stuff that it shouldn't, by default, block. (Like P2P sites). But that is easy to fix. K9 also includes browser history viewing, to allow for monitoring. This brings up another issue- ISP filtering presents some real challenges- like the inability to control what is filtered and what isn't, and difficulty of allowing an incorrectly filtered site through. Some services may be better than others, but in general, I wouldn't recommend ISP level filtering. The ideal solution would be monitoring software that records when, how much, and what is viewed, combined with a filter warning when someone might accidentally try to access inappropriate content. This should eliminate most issues of accidental access, and allow for monitoring for intentional access. Of course, education and open communication is the key to prevention. - James Lee Vann ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:19:30PM -0500, Stacey wrote:
I have been asked to give a fireside talk to educate parents
on what they should know about the Internet and how to protect
their children. I am sure this group has lots of good ideas,
web links, and maybe even a presentation they gave on a
similar subject they would like to share. I would especially
like to hear about Windows based solutions and ideas because
for me and my house, we run Macs. In fact, I have been pretty
much Windows free for about 7 years. I do use Parallels
Desktop for the Mac to run PAF (since it only comes in the
Windows flavor).
We use an approach that probably wouldn't work for 99% of the
world - but it works well for us. I have a linux box that
provides routing for the entire house. On it I run a simple
script that sniffs the web traffic and creates a log of all of
the http requests. Once a day my wife runs a cgi script that
displays every image that anyone has accessed. Everyone in the
house knows that whatever they look at, mom will see too.
Unfortunately, the script doesn't work for https requests.
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Net::Pcap;
use Net::PcapUtils;
use NetPacket::Ethernet qw(:strip);
use NetPacket::IP;
use NetPacket::TCP;
use Socket;
use Fcntl ':flock';
use POSIX qw(strftime);
# only allow one of these to run at a time...
open(LOCK,.http-lock) || die open: $!\n;
flock(LOCK,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) || exit;
$*=1; # multiline
$cap=Net::PcapUtils::open(SNAPLEN=1600,FILTER=dst port 80) ||
warn $err,$cap,\n;
$hdr={};
while($pkt=Net::Pcap::next($cap,$hdr)) {
my $eth_obj = NetPacket::Ethernet-decode($pkt);
my $ip_obj = NetPacket::IP-decode($eth_obj-{data});
my $tcp_obj = NetPacket::TCP-decode($ip_obj-{data});
$_=$tcp_obj-{data};
if(($cmd,$url)=/^(GET|PUT|POST)\s+(\S*)/) {
$src=$ip_obj-{src_ip};
($host)=/Host:\s*(\S*)/;
$file=strftime(%Y-%m-%d,localtime($hdr-{tv_sec}));
$tm=strftime(%Y/%m/%d %T,localtime($hdr-{tv_sec}));
`echo \$hdr-{tv_sec} $tm $src http://$host$url\; $file.log`;
}
}
send me a note if anyone wants the cgi script.
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Re: [Ldsoss] Capture of Streamed WMV
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 09:23:52AM -0700, Slide wrote: On 5/16/07, John Epeneter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have never found a way to just file-save save the stream to a file. I have found a number of shareware/freeware/trialware programs that are supposed to help me do this ... [snip] mplayer supports a mode where you give it an URL to an asx file, it will parse the file and then play the stream ... [snip] vlc does this too: vlc --intf dummy $mms :demux=dump :demuxdump-file=$file vlc:quit replace $mms with the mms url and replace $file with the filename you want to use for output. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Re: Capture of Streamed WMV
I burned the show to DVD, and can send you a copy if you don't need it real soon. I highly recommend that people get a TV tuner card for their PC and run Sage TV, which works (IMHO) better than TIVO. I can schedule recordings quickly and easily - search by title, person, topic, etc. I can also define a set of favorites and appropriate shows are recorded automagically. Since everything is recorded to mpeg files, I can edit the files, including deleting commercials, and burn the results to DVDs. I can also watch the shows from my laptop if I prefer. I have a bunch of DVD-RW, which I can use just like temp VCR tapes. I record movies and shows my wife wants to see, and then overwrite them with more movies. For example, a couple of years ago we were going to visit the Grand Canyon and surrounding areas. I added favorites for Grand Canyon, Zion National Park, etc. and the program found and recorded a bunch of shows from the travel channel and others that we could use to research the places we wanted to see. The program also has a feature that I don't use, but seems to be similar to TIVO - you can ask it to record additional shows based on what you specifically request. Of course, you need a huge hard drive, but those are getting cheaper and cheaper. --- Bill Pringle work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.unisysfsp.com http://www.unisys.com home/school: [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.personal.psu.edu/~wrp103 http://CherylWheeler.com ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On Wed, May 16, 2007 at 09:20:47PM -0600, Manfred Riem wrote:
Boy your wife must have time on her hand ;)
all images accessed during a day get put on a single page - it
usually takes 1-2 minutes to scroll through the page.
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Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 8:19 PM
To: LDS Open Source Software
Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Fireside talk on the Internet
On Tue, May 15, 2007 at 01:19:30PM -0500, Stacey wrote:
I have been asked to give a fireside talk to educate parents
on what they should know about the Internet and how to protect
their children. I am sure this group has lots of good ideas,
web links, and maybe even a presentation they gave on a
similar subject they would like to share. I would especially
like to hear about Windows based solutions and ideas because
for me and my house, we run Macs. In fact, I have been pretty
much Windows free for about 7 years. I do use Parallels
Desktop for the Mac to run PAF (since it only comes in the
Windows flavor).
We use an approach that probably wouldn't work for 99% of the world - but it
works well for us. I have a linux box that provides routing for the entire
house. On it I run a simple script that sniffs the web traffic and creates a
log of all of the http requests. Once a day my wife runs a cgi script that
displays every image that anyone has accessed. Everyone in the house knows
that whatever they look at, mom will see too.
Unfortunately, the script doesn't work for https requests.
#!/usr/bin/perl
use Net::Pcap;
use Net::PcapUtils;
use NetPacket::Ethernet qw(:strip);
use NetPacket::IP;
use NetPacket::TCP;
use Socket;
use Fcntl ':flock';
use POSIX qw(strftime);
# only allow one of these to run at a time...
open(LOCK,.http-lock) || die open: $!\n;
flock(LOCK,LOCK_EX|LOCK_NB) || exit;
$*=1; # multiline
$cap=Net::PcapUtils::open(SNAPLEN=1600,FILTER=dst port 80) || warn
$err,$cap,\n; $hdr={};
while($pkt=Net::Pcap::next($cap,$hdr)) { my $eth_obj =
NetPacket::Ethernet-decode($pkt);
my $ip_obj = NetPacket::IP-decode($eth_obj-{data});
my $tcp_obj = NetPacket::TCP-decode($ip_obj-{data});
$_=$tcp_obj-{data};
if(($cmd,$url)=/^(GET|PUT|POST)\s+(\S*)/) {
$src=$ip_obj-{src_ip};
($host)=/Host:\s*(\S*)/;
$file=strftime(%Y-%m-%d,localtime($hdr-{tv_sec}));
$tm=strftime(%Y/%m/%d %T,localtime($hdr-{tv_sec}));
`echo \$hdr-{tv_sec} $tm $src http://$host$url\; $file.log`; } }
send me a note if anyone wants the cgi script.
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RE: [Ldsoss] Capture of Streamed WMV
The technical answers to your question are good ones. However You might want to ask permission of the stake leaders, first. The church has on numerous occasions re-stated their long-standing policy prohibiting members from showing external material in a church setting -- whether or not it is copyrighted. As an aside, the PBS documentary was not that flattering... Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of John Epeneter Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 10:12 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: [Ldsoss] Capture of Streamed WMV We all knew this day would come Someone in my stake wants to show part of the PBS Mormon documentary as part of a priesthood talk. What I need to get is the interview with Elder Jensen when he talks about how his mission changed his life. I found it on PBS.org (http://www.pbs.org/mormons/view/) and can view it on my computer. Of course it is a streamed video, so I went to the cache and found the ASX file. Editing the file, I found the MMS URL but that is where I get stuck. I have never found a way to just file-save save the stream to a file. I have found a number of shareware/freeware/trialware programs that are supposed to help me do this (http://all-streaming-media.com/record-video-stream/record-streaming-vid eo-windows-media.htm), and have tried most of them with little satisfaction. Does anyone have a suggestion? -John- PS. Yes, I think this is fair use and therefore have little concern for copyright issues. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
