RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:49 AM Jesse Stay wrote: IANAL but it *shouldn't* be okay to download movies and music that weren't intended to be downloaded for free, but it *is* legal. Fair use doctrine... Actually, fair use doctrine is *not* applied to downloads. Fair use only says that once you have copyrighted material, that ***you*** are allowed to make a backup copy and to quote from it. It does not provide for general purpose download sites to exist. Breaking encryption is also prohibited unless certain conditions are met. Here are the 2 main positions on this matter: Position #1: Some say that it should be allowable for people having purchased music and DVD's to then download electronic copies to their digital players. Position #2: Free download sites do not and can not monitor who has purchased a licensed copy. Therefore, they cannot confirm whether they are illegally distributing or not. Both positions are valid. Here's the $64 question: How can Position #1 be protected while addressing the concerns of those who support Position #2? Resolve this concern and you will become famous. Yesterday, I was in DC, on business, and I visited the National Archives, where I ran across the following quote: However combinations or associations of the above description [factions] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely, in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion. -- George Washington, Farewell Address It seems to me that both sides of this debate are falling into this trap. So what do we do? We obey the law, while, if we so choose, working to change it. The old Napster was taken down, because it participated in and facilitated illegal activities. There are numerous individuals who participated in those activities who have/are/will be *rightfully* sued under current US law. In those cases, parents of participating kids were sued and forced to repay $1000's to tens of thousands of dollars. This can be an incredible burden on a family that can barely afford their internet connection. The new Boy Scout patch may serve Hollywood, but it also serves to educate in an effort to teach Scouts about the current law. The patch will help teach scouts how not to make their parents liable for large sums of money. The purpose of the patch is not to debate current law, but simply to educate about it. Don't confuse your opinion of what the law should be with what the law is... Steve ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
On Oct 25, 2006, at 7:01 AM, Steven H. McCown wrote: The new Boy Scout patch may serve Hollywood, but it also serves to educate in an effort to teach Scouts about the current law. The patch will help teach scouts how not to make their parents liable for large sums of money. The purpose of the patch is not to debate current law, but simply to educate about it. Don't confuse your opinion of what the law should be with what the law is... The point is, whether or not the merit badge educates scouts properly about the nuances of the law, and fairly presents the position of both sides, is seriously in doubt and up for debate right now, given that the recording industry is the one providing the materials. The merit badge, as published, may actually do more harm than good, by presenting only one side of the issue and distorting the claims of the other side. Carl ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
On 10/25/06, Jay Askren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Maybe we need to have someone create another mailing list covering
intellectual property, copyright law, and what is legal and what is not.
This topic seems to come up a lot, and I it seems that people really like to
argue about it. It would be nice if these arguments would move to another
list so we could get back to creating open source software.
I apologize, because I have contributed to the discussion as well. I
personally like the legal and copyright discussions (I don't see them
as arguments), however I see your point here in that whether or not it
is legal or not to download music or video that is copyrighted
probably has nothing to do with OSS or the GPL or other OSS licenses
(if you can link it back to an OSS license I think that would be
okay). I think general copyright discussions ought to be okay on this
list though, so long as they don't venture from the GPL or another
open source license. Perhaps the music/video download discussion
(including my own) should stop though and move to another or new list
(anyone know of a good list to discuss stuff like this?). However,
I'd like to see this list self-regulate itself, so if anyone
disagrees, feel free to state your opinions.
In relation to OSS, perhaps this new Scouting merit badge could serve
as an opportunity to educate Scouts about OSS and licensing/IP
surrounding the various OSS licenses.
Jesse
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RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
It's always interesting to see people being clear about justifying their position. To summarize your post, you have stated that you don't care what the law is, because you will do as you choose -- illegal or not. That is your prerogative. I caution you to be careful, because you are willfully going against the law and encouraging others to do so. If a Scout took you at your word and got caught, would you be there to bail him and his parents out? Not likely... DC 58: 21, Let no man break the laws of the land, for he that keepeth the laws of God hath no need to break the laws of the land. I think the message there is deeper than it seems and applies in all but the direst of circumstances. The caution from George Washington was that when citizens go against the law, when it *seems* expedient and good, that such an attitude becomes pervasive throughout society and we are primed for a general downfall of that society. Think that sounds strange? Just think about some of the weird 'single issue' positions that others are currently taking... Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Willden Sent: Wednesday, October 25, 2006 8:44 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge With apologies to Manfred, I have to clarify a couple of things here :-) Note that IANAL, but I have read the law and I have been following these issues closely for years. On Wednesday 25 October 2006 07:01, Steven H. McCown wrote: On Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:49 AM Jesse Stay wrote: Fair use only says that once you have copyrighted material, that ***you*** are allowed to make a backup copy and to quote from it. Actually, Fair Use doesn't say that, either. Fair use says that some otherwise infringing usage may be legal and gives a list of criteria for a court to consider. (http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html). It's not clear that backups or format shifting qualifies. US Copyright law does make explicit provision for backup copies of software, but that doesn't apply to music or movies (Title 17 USC, section 117, paragraph (a)(2)). Though it certainly seems like format shifting *should* be legal, the law doesn't say it is, and AFAIK there's no clear legal precedent other than recording of broacdast programming. And that precedent relies on the fact that the copyright holder authorized sending the material to your home over the airwaves, so it's not clear that the precedent is really applicable. It does not provide for general purpose download sites to exist. Breaking encryption is also prohibited unless certain conditions are met. Breaking encryption is not prohibited. Circumventing copy protection technologies is. Basically, you're allowed to circumvent copy protection technologies for any purpose that would otherwise be legal (Title 17 USC section 1201 paragraph (c)). However, it's illegal to create, import or distribute circumvention tools, so it's not clear how you can legally acquire the means to exercise your legal right to circumvent for Fair Use (assuming you can determine what Fair Use is). We obey the law, while, if we so choose, working to change it. I certainly agree it needs to be changed. The Digital Consumer's Bill of Rights is just what we need (digitalconsumer.org/bill.html). In the meantime, I feel no moral obligation to obey the part of the law that prohibits me from downloading libdvdcss so I can watch DVDs on my computer. I also bought a t-shirt with the decss code printed on it, back when encryption still fell under the ITAR rules, making the t-shirt an illegal munition under the law, right next to machine guns and RPGs. Sometimes the law is *wrong*. The new Boy Scout patch may serve Hollywood, but it also serves to educate in an effort to teach Scouts about the current law. No, it does not. It serves to teach Scouts about a small portion of the current law, and from what I read of it, distorts even that. And, frankly, *any* discussion of copyright law that covers only the regulations and not the rationale behind them is lacking to the point of being misleading. Don't confuse your opinion of what the law should be with what the law is... And be sure that you know what the law is, too -- most people who debate this topic don't! Though fully understanding the case law would be difficult, the core of the black-letter law isn't that big, or that hard to understand. Read it at http://www.copyright.gov/title17/ Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
Whoa, let's not fall into a huge trap by stating that what may (or may not) be a 'celestial' law is justification for breaking existing law. As I understand it, we are supposed to obey the laws of the land. Even Civil Disobedience is not a method of doing things in private for personal gain, but rather doing things publically, being willing to accept punishment,for a political statement. Boy Scouts need to be taught to obey the law. Adults can work to change it, if they so choose. Steve On 10/23/06, Thomas Haws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it. Giving away freely is celestial. Stealing is telestial. Respecting property rights is terrestrial. The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law. On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess they feel that they are losing money to the internet culture andthat they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal.While 30years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book (even if it was free and instantaneous), the internet culture has changed thatmindset.This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as Napster,torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was considered wrong by the mainstream.I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal cable TV.Theresponse of some was, oh, come on, they're not actually losing money on me,because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost them more for just 1 more viewer...It was still stealing even though some had reallycompelling rationalizations...What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is takingan explain and educate angle rather than a more confrontational intimidate and litigate.That's a noteworthy twist given how much piracycosts Hollywood.If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that it is wrongto copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation and that would be a good thing.Wouldn't it?Steve-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge The movie industry has developed the curriculum. Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution.:-PBryan___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Who is your teacher? ___Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
What you are talking about is what the law *should* be. That can be a good debate and changing the law might be good. Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and videos, at the moment it is not. What Scouts should learn by this is that it is, currently, wrong to illegally download music and videos. Scouts who illegally download copyrighted material can and will get caught and be punished. With minors, their parents will also be held liable. This is something that should be of real concern to Scouts and their parents. This badge should help Scouts learn that it is currently wrong to illegally download content and help keep them on the right side of the law. There is nothing 'celestial' about someone violating the law for personal gain. Steve On 10/23/06, John Harrison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve,You say:What's interesting about this particular pieceis that Hollywood is taking an explain and educate angle rather than a moreconfrontational intimidate and litigate.That's a noteworthy twist given how muchpiracy costs Hollywood.Actually, Hollywood is taking all those angles at once as well as buying up legislators in order to extend their once limited rightsin perpetuity and circumvent consumer rights through legislation suchas the DMCA.I would love to see the requirements for this patch and see if this is going to educate scouts on the issues surrounding intellectualproperty rights or it is simply going to be more of the same fromHollywood, that consumers have no rights and that a copyrightviolation is the equivalent to holding up a little old lady at gunpoint.I'm not saying that copyright violation is a good thing,but that Hollywood consistently mischaracterizes it as the equivalentof stealing physical property, which is a lie.I'm hoping that the material surrounding this program is shocking to me in how even handedly it treats the issues, but I'm not holding mebreath.So Steve, what do you think scouts need to know about copyright?later,JohnOn 10/23/06, Thomas Haws [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it.Giving away freely is celestial.Stealing is telestial.Respecting property rights is terrestrial.The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law. On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess they feel that they are losing money to the internet culture and that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal.While 30 years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book (even if it was free and instantaneous), the internet culture has changed that mindset.This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as Napster, torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was considered wrong by the mainstream. I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal cable TV. The response of some was, oh, come on, they're not actually losing money on me, because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost them more for just 1 more viewer...It was still stealing even though some had really compelling rationalizations... What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is taking an explain and educate angle rather than a more confrontational intimidate and litigate.That's a noteworthy twist given how much piracy costs Hollywood. If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that it is wrong to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation and that would be a good thing.Wouldn't it? Steve-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge The movie industry has developed the curriculum. Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution. :-P Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476 Who is your teacher? ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss___Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
On Tuesday 24 October 2006 05:38, Steven McCown wrote: Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and videos, at the moment it is not. At this moment it's also illegal to watch legally-purchased DVDs on Linux. Or to rip them and store them on a MythTV video jukebox for more convenient watching (and so that your two year-old doesn't destroy them). For that matter, by the letter of the law it's arguably illegal to convert your CDs to MP3s for listening on your iPod. This subject needs a more nuanced treatment than simply obey the law. Laws can be and often are wrong. There are many examples throughout history of laws that were horribly immoral. The requirement that laws be obeyed implicitly assumes that the laws are righteous -- it's just another example of the principle of righteous dominion. We are commanded by the Lord to follow the guidance of the leaders placed over us (fathers, husbands, bishops, etc.), but their right to command is contingent upon their righteousness. Unrighteous commands need not, and *should* not be obeyed. In this case, I think it's clear that downloading music and movies rather than paying for them is wrong, but I think the media cartels are also doing evil -- arguably the greater evil. And I think the biggest problem with this notion of an anti-piracy patch for boy scouts is that its requirements are entirely one-sided. I would have no objection to an official BSA badge of some sort that required the scout to understand both sides of copyright law. It should cover not only the exclusive rights granted to the holder, but also the exemptions built into the system (Fair Use, doctrine of first sale, etc.), and, further, the rationale and social contract underylying the notion of copyright. Such a badge would help them obtain respect for copyright law and what it's supposed to do, which would deter piracy, and would equip them to discuss whether or not current law actually fulfills those goals. That would be of value to scouts. As presently defined, the patch is of negative value. It's propaganda, not education. Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
Hi there, While it is interesting to debate this I don't think this forum was meant for this. If we are talking about furthering Open Source among LDS developers I think we need to respect the charter of this mailinglist. So please take this offlist and discuss this somewhere else. Kind regards, Manfred Riem [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.manorrock.org/ Founding Java Champion -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shawn Willden Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 7:09 AM To: ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge On Tuesday 24 October 2006 05:38, Steven McCown wrote: Even if you think that it *should* be okay to illegally download music and videos, at the moment it is not. At this moment it's also illegal to watch legally-purchased DVDs on Linux. Or to rip them and store them on a MythTV video jukebox for more convenient watching (and so that your two year-old doesn't destroy them). For that matter, by the letter of the law it's arguably illegal to convert your CDs to MP3s for listening on your iPod. This subject needs a more nuanced treatment than simply obey the law. Laws can be and often are wrong. There are many examples throughout history of laws that were horribly immoral. The requirement that laws be obeyed implicitly assumes that the laws are righteous -- it's just another example of the principle of righteous dominion. We are commanded by the Lord to follow the guidance of the leaders placed over us (fathers, husbands, bishops, etc.), but their right to command is contingent upon their righteousness. Unrighteous commands need not, and *should* not be obeyed. In this case, I think it's clear that downloading music and movies rather than paying for them is wrong, but I think the media cartels are also doing evil -- arguably the greater evil. And I think the biggest problem with this notion of an anti-piracy patch for boy scouts is that its requirements are entirely one-sided. I would have no objection to an official BSA badge of some sort that required the scout to understand both sides of copyright law. It should cover not only the exclusive rights granted to the holder, but also the exemptions built into the system (Fair Use, doctrine of first sale, etc.), and, further, the rationale and social contract underylying the notion of copyright. Such a badge would help them obtain respect for copyright law and what it's supposed to do, which would deter piracy, and would equip them to discuss whether or not current law actually fulfills those goals. That would be of value to scouts. As presently defined, the patch is of negative value. It's propaganda, not education. Shawn. ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
On AD 2006 October 24 Tuesday 01:37:59 PM -0700, Manfred Riem wrote: Bringing this badge up was not the thing that was off-topic to me. The discussion about what copyright should be was. Others have already given reasons why many of us would be interested in this since the Church is a major supporter of the BSA. I dispute that discussion over copyright law is off topic. Sure, it brings together the foci of this list (the Church and OSS) in an unexpected way but it's still related. And copyright is at least perceived as seminal to the practice of OSS. justin ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
RE: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
I guess they feel that they are losing money to the internet culture and that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal. While 30 years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book (even if it was free and instantaneous), the internet culture has changed that mindset. This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as Napster, torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was considered wrong by the mainstream. I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal cable TV. The response of some was, oh, come on, they're not actually losing money on me, because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost them more for just 1 more viewer... It was still stealing even though some had really compelling rationalizations... What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is taking an explain and educate angle rather than a more confrontational intimidate and litigate. That's a noteworthy twist given how much piracy costs Hollywood. If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that it is wrong to copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation and that would be a good thing. Wouldn't it? Steve -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bryan Murdock Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PM To: LDS Open Source Software Subject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge The movie industry has developed the curriculum. Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution. :-P Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
Sounds good to me, depending on how you look at it. Giving away freely is celestial. Stealing is telestial. Respecting property rights is terrestrial. The world aspires to keep a terrestrial law. On 10/23/06, Steven H. McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I guess they feel that they are losing money to the internet culture andthat they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal.While 30years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book (even if it was free and instantaneous), the internet culture has changed thatmindset.This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as Napster,torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was considered wrong by the mainstream.I remember church talks telling us that it was wrong to steal cable TV.Theresponse of some was, oh, come on, they're not actually losing money on me,because I wouldn't subscribe anyway and it doesn't really cost them more for just 1 more viewer...It was still stealing even though some had reallycompelling rationalizations...What's interesting about this particular piece is that Hollywood is takingan explain and educate angle rather than a more confrontational intimidate and litigate.That's a noteworthy twist given how much piracycosts Hollywood.If the next generation of net user grows up having learned that it is wrongto copy [not just photocopy], then we may just end up with less litigation and that would be a good thing.Wouldn't it?Steve-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED][mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Bryan MurdockSent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:51 PMTo: LDS Open Source SoftwareSubject: Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge The movie industry has developed the curriculum.Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution.:-PBryan___ Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss___ Ldsoss mailing listLdsoss@lists.ldsoss.orghttp://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss -- Tom Haws 480-201-5476Who is your teacher? ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
Re: [Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
On AD 2006 October 23 Monday 01:34:29 AM -0600, Steven H. McCown wrote: I guess they feel that they are losing money to the internet culture and that they need to re-educate people that it is wrong to steal. While 30 years ago, truly honest people would never have dared photocopy a book (even if it was free and instantaneous), the internet culture has changed that mindset. This new culture has given us other 'experts' such as Napster, torrents, etc. that make it technologically easy to do what once was considered wrong by the mainstream. I don't think the whole issue here is to steal or not to steal. The issue is also the abuse of copyright law and changes made to copyright law that harm the public domain and the original intent of copyright. I think the movie studios want to redefine the debate in terms of stealing and pirating to cover up their own nefarious law changing tactics, the produce of pork dealing senators, with a rhetoric that smacks of a sinister propaganda just so they can incriminate (filesharing) and cripple (DRM) new technology that *should* have been beneficial to society. I don't believe that you can't make money in movies without DRM and DCMA, not for a single instant. Copyright is no longer a fair deal. Lifetime plus copyright terms only enshrine content into a staple income supporting entities that are too lazy to figure out a real livelihood. The ironic effect is that those who demand and get greater and greater control over their creations will successfully cut themselves off from culture and posterity by their legal and technical protections. Justin ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
[Ldsoss] Boy Scouts get a Respect Copyrights activity badge
BSA is, rightfully, teaching Scouts to respect the copyrights of others. Here's an article: (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Scouts_Piracy_Patch.html) Since you have to visit an actual movie studio, you kind of need to live in LA, though... One more thing to add to Scout Tracker... Steve http://www.mccownclan.com Chance favours the prepared mind. -- Louis Pasteur ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
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I would hope that members of this this would sign up to be instructors for this activity patch in their wards and teach scouts about fair use, first sale doctrine, how DRM circumvents your rights, and about alternatives to traditional copyright such as Creative Commons materials and Open Source Software. From the article is looks like this program is an attempt by studios to present a very limited view of what copyright is. On 10/22/06, Steven H. McCown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BSA is, rightfully, teaching Scouts to respect the copyrights of others. Here's an article: (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/1110AP_Scouts_Piracy_Patch.html) Since you have to visit an actual movie studio, you kind of need to live in LA, though... One more thing to add to Scout Tracker... Steve http://www.mccownclan.com Chance favours the prepared mind. -- Louis Pasteur ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
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The movie industry has developed the curriculum. Oh good, an impartial and fair party, experts in law and the constitution. :-P Bryan ___ Ldsoss mailing list Ldsoss@lists.ldsoss.org http://lists.ldsoss.org/mailman/listinfo/ldsoss
