Re: [leaf-devel] SNMP and RRD

2004-10-22 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
Mike Noyes wrote:
On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 13:51, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
Mike Noyes wrote:
 On Thu, 2004-10-21 at 11:25, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 Mike Noyes wrote:
  Can RDD work through a secure serial line?
 
 Define secure serial line.
 
 A machine isolated from the network through a serial line connection for
 logging purposes.
 
Since you can't run arbitrary commands or communicate via networking, if you 
want to monitor the 'health' of the LEAF box (without adding a seperate, 
network connected monitoring box, which is what I'd probably do)
Charles,
Point taken. I apologize for the misguided question.
Now you're confusing me...your question wasn't misguided at all.
The main reason I'd put monitoring on a more connected box is because I'd 
probably want to access it from my desktop web-browser, or via the internet 
when I'm traveling, and the primary reason to setup logging over a serial 
link is to have a completely disconnected machine that (presumably) can't be 
compromised by an attacker keeping accurate logs.  Also, in several 
instances, I'm running the monitoring programs on machines very remote to 
the actual firewalls (try running a serial line from California, Colorado, 
or Kansas to Texas!).

If you're happy using the logging machine's console (and pretty much only 
that console) to monitor the status of your LEAF box, there's no reason you 
can't (or shouldn't) do so...provided you can get all the info you want to 
monitor headed to the log file (and find/create appropriate log analysis tools).

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Re: [leaf-devel] SNMP and RRD

2004-10-22 Thread Mike Noyes
On Fri, 2004-10-22 at 09:54, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 Mike Noyes wrote:
  Point taken. I apologize for the misguided question.
 
 Now you're confusing me...your question wasn't misguided at all.

Charles,
I apologize. I thought I had missed something basic. I don't catch
things as fast as I did before. :-(

 The main reason I'd put monitoring on a more connected box is because I'd 
 probably want to access it from my desktop web-browser, or via the internet 
 when I'm traveling, and the primary reason to setup logging over a serial 
 link is to have a completely disconnected machine that (presumably) can't be 
 compromised by an attacker keeping accurate logs.

Correct, but I was starting to think, from our conversation, RRD didn't
supply information that would be useful in case of a compromise.

 Also, in several 
 instances, I'm running the monitoring programs on machines very remote to 
 the actual firewalls (try running a serial line from California, Colorado, 
 or Kansas to Texas!).

Understood.

 If you're happy using the logging machine's console (and pretty much only 
 that console) to monitor the status of your LEAF box, there's no reason you 
 can't (or shouldn't) do so...provided you can get all the info you want to 
 monitor headed to the log file (and find/create appropriate log analysis tools).

ok. Thanks for the information. I appreciate it. :-)

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Re: [leaf-devel] Bering uClibc vs. Oxygen

2004-10-22 Thread David Douthitt
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Mike Noyes wrote:
| David,
| The Oxygen web content was archived in preparation for new site
| structure and website.
I figured as much.  Shameful the way I haven't kept up.
I've pointed more than one person to the LEAF website, including some
who just want an example of how a website could be done.  To me, the
LEAF site is one of the best sf.net sites out there. thanks, Mike!
I'll take a look at those links
I'm probably going to resurrect Oxygen now that I'm between jobs (ouch!).
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