RE: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Natanael  All,

Agree about what? (sorry, I have given up to scroll up and down trying
to follow what people are talking about when somebody top-post. I follow
more than one mailing list...)
The more LPR pacakges we can fit on the image the better :-)

I don't really see the point in using images?
Agreed - however - the folks on this list are most likely not the target
audience for a USB STICK image.  It's just, hmmm, service to new Leaf users
(or to more experienced ones) who, sort of anyways, expect it to be fast 
easy to get things started.  I mainly use CF's myself.

Why not only copying all files over, run syslinux and reboot?
That more or less how I created my image :-)  And that is an options that
is open to anyone allready.  Maybe we should just add a section on this in
the documentation as well.

Mike - can one just send you a plain text file with the content for such a
section?

I never got your stick.img to boot.
How interresting.  I got it to work on several machines now.  Including my
mother in law's PC :-)
I have, however, experienced this on a machine that have SCSI / USB reader
connected and where the SCSI / USB reader ports get get a lower number
than the USB stick (f.ex the USB reader become SDA).  This is actually a
little issue.  I guess it's a matter of figuring out where in line the USB
stick is and give change the syslinux.cfg / leaf.cfg  BUT - that means that
the stick image will not work on all machines.  I wonder if the other
distros have this issue as well?

Best regards
Jørn










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Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb


Jørn Eriksen wrote:
 Eric  All,

 I think we sort of agree - it's just the way there we walk differetly :-)

Agree about what? (sorry, I have given up to scroll up and down trying
to follow what people are talking about when somebody top-post. I follow
more than one mailing list...)

http://google.com/search?q=top-posting+netiquette

never mind...

 I'll try to add the VFAT module to the initrd_u when I get back home.
 Just to see how that work out.  More for my own curiousity than anything
 else.

You might want to check out the ub usb driver as well. You don't need
the scsi subsystem for using the ub driver so its smaller. According the
documentation the ub driver might be slower but should work on more devices.

 I've ordered a 256Mb Stick as well.  When that stick arrive I'll also note
 down the pysical geometry of all my sticks to see if the match up.  If
 they do, I'll go ahead and see if I can create an generic image for the
 sticks.  If that works OK I guess a small change to the create scripts
 can fix it all.

I don't really see the point in using images?

Why not only copying all files over, run syslinux and reboot?

When you are dealing with new USB sticks, that should be enough. They
ship them partitioned and formatted with vfat. (fat32 is AFAIK backward
compatible with fat16 so even if your driver only support fat16 it
should work).

Take look how I did on Alpine.
http://alpine.cinematicnetworks.com/downloads/alpine/v0.0/iso/alpine-0.0.4-2
0060124.iso

It's an bootable cdrom iso, but just copy all the files (on the iso
image) to your new 256MB USB stick, run syslinux (syslinux /dev/uba1
or syslinux /dev/sdX1 where X is the letter for your usb drive) and
reboot.

If you have already destroyed your MBR on the USB stick (using tools
like dd) then run:

  dd if=/usr/lib/syslinux/mbr.bin of=/dev/uba

(or sda or whatever your usb device is)

If you use an older computer that does not support boot from USB, then
create a floppy using the floppy/usb.img. Boot from the floppy with the
USB stick inserted.

FYI. I never got your stick.img to boot. First I got the same no
operating system message as previously mentioned. After installing the
syslinux mbr.bin on the stick it found the kernel and booted it up but
ended with a kernel panic:
Can't open /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.own

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RE: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Charles  All,

I'll give this a go in my fry thy stick test later today or tomorrow -  I
guess if it works there will be no frying :-)

Jorn
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Jørn Eriksen wrote:
 Hello Everyone,

 I found this doing a little search:
 http://www.mega-tokyo.com/osfaq2/index.php/Disk%20Images%20Under%20Linux
 So - I wonder - can we just use whatever geomoetry we like with a USB
disk?

I believe so.

As mentioned before, the concept of CHS is quite dated, and hasn't truly
reflected what's physically on the disk since pretty much the advent of
IDE back in (thinking...) the late 80's, early 90's?  AFAIK, as long as
the partition table is valid for how the disk is formatted, everything
should be fine (at least for those filesystems that actually *USE* CHS
info in their internal structurs...many don't, and just use logical
block numbering as has been the standard on SCSI drives since roughly
the dawn of time :).

What I would do to make an image:

Use dd to create an appropriately sized blank file (perhaps 4-8 Meg).

Mount the filesystem as a loop-back device.

Partition the lo device with an HDD partition table (4 main partitions).

Create a bootable partition in the first primary parition.

Install LRP files from an appropriate image

Install desired boot loader (I'm partial to grub for this sort of thing,
and it would allow using EXT3, but syslinux, lilo, or most anything
should work as well).

dd the image to a USB dongle.

Test, then ship (or is that ship, then test...I always forget! :).

I'm going to try to test the image floating around, but have been fairly
short on time lately.

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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread KP Kirchdoerfer
Am Montag, 27. März 2006 11:56 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
 Why not only copying all files over, run syslinux and reboot?

 That more or less how I created my image :-)  And that is an options that
 is open to anyone allready.  Maybe we should just add a section on this in
 the documentation as well.

 Mike - can one just send you a plain text file with the content for such a
 section?

Pls send it to me, I'll take care of it.


kp


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RE: [leaf-devel] flash usb - UB Kernel Module

2006-03-27 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Hey Natanael  All,

I can not find the UB drivers for the 2.4 Kernel.  I'm not a kernel hacker
thus there might be a patch floating around  - any one?

Jorn

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Jorn Eriksen wrote:

 I never got your stick.img to boot.
 How interresting.  I got it to work on several machines now.  Including my
 mother in law's PC :-)

I had to install the mbr.bin or my brand new dell didn't even find the
kernel.

 I have, however, experienced this on a machine that have SCSI / USB reader
 connected and where the SCSI / USB reader ports get get a lower number
 than the USB stick (f.ex the USB reader become SDA).  This is actually a
 little issue.

That could be the case here. I have SATA disks (on the scsi subsystem).
But it sounds wierd because I doubt the sata drivers were ever loaded.

 I guess it's a matter of figuring out where in line the USB
 stick is and give change the syslinux.cfg / leaf.cfg  BUT - that means
that
 the stick image will not work on all machines.  I wonder if the other
 distros have this issue as well?

Or you could try using the ub driver instead of usb-storage (if its
available on the 2.4 kernel) Then will the usb device show up as
/dev/uba instead of /dev/sd?

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RE: [leaf-devel] flash usb - UB Kernel Module

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Jorn,

 Hey Natanael  All,


 I can not find the UB drivers for the 2.4 Kernel.  I'm not a kernel
 hacker thus there might be a patch floating around  - any one?

Not that I know of, but lets make things not too complicated ;) If
/dev/sd? works lets just stick with that, the user only has to change
syslinux.cfg/leaf.cfg if the device is something else than sda. Some
smarter option can always be added later.

 Jorn

Eric

 
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 Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb



 Jorn Eriksen wrote:


 I never got your stick.img to boot.

 How interresting.  I got it to work on several machines now.  Including
 my mother in law's PC :-)

 I had to install the mbr.bin or my brand new dell didn't even find the
 kernel.

 I have, however, experienced this on a machine that have SCSI / USB
 reader connected and where the SCSI / USB reader ports get get a lower
 number
 than the USB stick (f.ex the USB reader become SDA).  This is actually a
  little issue.

 That could be the case here. I have SATA disks (on the scsi subsystem).
 But it sounds wierd because I doubt the sata drivers were ever loaded.


 I guess it's a matter of figuring out where in line the USB
 stick is and give change the syslinux.cfg / leaf.cfg  BUT - that means
 that
 the stick image will not work on all machines.  I wonder if the other
  distros have this issue as well?

 Or you could try using the ub driver instead of usb-storage (if its
 available on the 2.4 kernel) Then will the usb device show up as /dev/uba
 instead of /dev/sd?

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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb - UB Kernel Module

2006-03-27 Thread Natanael Copa
Eric Spakman wrote:
 Hello Jorn,
 
 Hey Natanael  All,


 I can not find the UB drivers for the 2.4 Kernel.  I'm not a kernel
 hacker thus there might be a patch floating around  - any one?

 Not that I know of, but lets make things not too complicated ;) If
 /dev/sd? works lets just stick with that, the user only has to change
 syslinux.cfg/leaf.cfg if the device is something else than sda. Some
 smarter option can always be added later.

and you could add Easier usb handling to your
why-upgrade-to-2.6-kernel-list.

;)



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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb - UB Kernel Module

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello Natanael,

 Not that I know of, but lets make things not too complicated ;) If
 /dev/sd? works lets just stick with that, the user only has to change
 syslinux.cfg/leaf.cfg if the device is something else than sda. Some
 smarter option can always be added later.

 and you could add Easier usb handling to your
 why-upgrade-to-2.6-kernel-list.

 ;)

:)))

Eric



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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread Erich Titl
Hi everyone

Jorn Eriksen wrote:
 Natanael  All,
 
 
Agree about what? (sorry, I have given up to scroll up and down trying
to follow what people are talking about when somebody top-post. I follow
more than one mailing list...)
 
 The more LPR pacakges we can fit on the image the better :-)

What about creating a Knoppix like CD (image)  which allows the local
creation of a bootable usb stick. This would allow to create any size
image even for people without access to a _real_ linux system. Such a
live CD system could even be used to fetch more packages over the net,
making it real small.

cheers

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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

Natanael Copa wrote:

(firefox tried to display the binary and since link didnt work it isn't
possible to right-click - save as)


You could let Firefox display it, then select Save As... and save 
the page and it would be fine...


Just a matter of one wants to wait for Firefox to download the page 
or not, staring at ugly binary until then...



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RE: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread Jorn Eriksen
Hey Eric  all,

That is a good idea :-)

I have an idea using the existing CD stuff and just, for the Leafix
CD,automatically load the hdsupp.lrp (since this allready contain
fdisk,syslinux and mkfs.msdos) as well as a new usbsupp.lrp package.
OR
we could change the current initrd_ide_cd to contain the need USB drivers.
Then we just need to load the hdsupp.lrp  package.

The latter would then, in fact, be at least sort of, what the USB stick
image would look like. If the loopback methd works out, we could create all
kinds of images with a few changes to the existing scrips.

H

Jørn
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Subject: Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb


Hi everyone

Jorn Eriksen wrote:
 Natanael  All,


Agree about what? (sorry, I have given up to scroll up and down trying
to follow what people are talking about when somebody top-post. I follow
more than one mailing list...)

 The more LPR pacakges we can fit on the image the better :-)

What about creating a Knoppix like CD (image)  which allows the local
creation of a bootable usb stick. This would allow to create any size
image even for people without access to a _real_ linux system. Such a
live CD system could even be used to fetch more packages over the net,
making it real small.

cheers

Erich



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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

Natanael Copa wrote:

FYI. I never got your stick.img to boot. First I got the same no
operating system message as previously mentioned. After installing the
syslinux mbr.bin on the stick it found the kernel and booted it up but
ended with a kernel panic:
Can't open /var/lib/lrpkg/root.dev.own


That doesn't sound like a kernel panic; after all, wouldn't it be after 
mounting /var and so on?  If the kernel panicked, it would give a 
different message, I'd think.


If you want to debug it, just give the kernel a parameter of:

init=/bin/sh

and root about in the environment after booting...


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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread Mike Noyes
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 02:03, KP Kirchdoerfer wrote:
 Am Montag, 27. März 2006 11:56 schrieb Jorn Eriksen:
  Mike - can one just send you a plain text file with the content for such a
  section?
 
 Pls send it to me, I'll take care of it.

Jorn,
I see KP is attending to this.

Thank you for your contribution. :-)

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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread Mike Noyes
On Mon, 2006-03-27 at 06:01, Erich Titl wrote:
 What about creating a Knoppix like CD (image)  which allows the local
 creation of a bootable usb stick. This would allow to create any size
 image even for people without access to a _real_ linux system. Such a
 live CD system could even be used to fetch more packages over the net,
 making it real small.

Erich,
That sounds similar to the method DSL uses.

Damn Small Linux
http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/

http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adamnsmalllinux.org+usb


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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread Erich Titl

Hi Jorn

Jorn Eriksen wrote:

Hey Eric  all,

That is a good idea :-)

I have an idea using the existing CD stuff and just, for the Leafix
CD,automatically load the hdsupp.lrp (since this allready contain
fdisk,syslinux and mkfs.msdos) as well as a new usbsupp.lrp package.
OR
we could change the current initrd_ide_cd to contain the need USB drivers.
Then we just need to load the hdsupp.lrp  package.


The nice thing about Knoppix is the device autodetection, and the ease 
of use for non linux people, something which is difficult to achieve 
when you start with a LEAF distro. I _believe_ one could strip down 
Knoppix sufficiently to be of acceptable size for download, build a 
little code to generate the LEAF image. Then we would have one single 
distributable object which might satisfy most people.


cheers

Erich



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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

Natanael Copa wrote:

David Douthitt wrote:



You are right. I guess it failed to mount the device where root.lrp
were. I don't remember the exact kernel panic message but it was
probably trying to kill init or something like that.


That usually means that the initial process (#1) was trying to exit or 
was being killed off.


If the startup process has problems, init usually exits, resulting in 
that message




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Re: [leaf-devel] flash usb

2006-03-27 Thread David Douthitt

Erich Titl wrote:

The nice thing about Knoppix is the device autodetection, [...]


This can be subsumed from Knoppix and adapted for use in LEAF if you 
want.  It might be good sized, I don't know


I _believe_ one could strip down 
Knoppix sufficiently to be of acceptable size for download, build a 
little code to generate the LEAF image. Then we would have one single 
distributable object which might satisfy most people.


Knoppix has been stripped down and adapted innumerable times; the two 
that come to mind off hand is Darn Small Linux (no, I won't say it...) 
and Morphix...


I would create a generic shell script that would work under LEAF, 
Knoppix, or whatever - then you can put it in where-ever you like, and 
use it to create the USB images




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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello David,

Thanks for the help! I will try your suggestion and also create an image.

Eric

 To answer Eric's question, here's Andrea's tips adjusted slightly:


 Andrea Fino wrote:

 I did a working usb this way:


 1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages


 2) these commands:


 mkdosfs /dev/sde1 mount /dev/sde1 /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt
 umount /mnt syslinux /dev/sde1

 dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/usbfile bs=1024k count=20480 mkdosfs
 $HOME/usbfile
 mount -o loop $HOME/usbfile /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt umount
/mnt
 syslinux $HOME/usbfile

 The only added command (dd) creates a zero-filled file of 20M size.


 3) syslinux.cfg:


 PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG


 put initrd_usb.lrp

 Hope this helps...



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Re: [leaf-devel] Flash Stick Image

2006-03-27 Thread Eric Spakman
Hello all,

Using David's tip I also created an usb image, this is just a small one
for testing it only contains the packages also available on floppy.

There was a small error in the dd command, with a blocksize of 1024k it
would create an image of 20Gbyte :-) The blocksize should be 1k.

The image will show up in a few hours (when viewCVS is updated) at:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/devel/espakman/

Eric


 To answer Eric's question, here's Andrea's tips adjusted slightly:


 Andrea Fino wrote:

 I did a working usb this way:


 1) build the env with buildroot, so I got the lrp in packages


 2) these commands:


 mkdosfs /dev/sde1 mount /dev/sde1 /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt
 umount /mnt syslinux /dev/sde1

 dd if=/dev/zero of=$HOME/usbfile bs=1024k count=20480 mkdosfs
 $HOME/usbfile
 mount -o loop $HOME/usbfile /mnt cd /root/packages cp -pr * /mnt umount
/mnt
 syslinux $HOME/usbfile

 The only added command (dd) creates a zero-filled file of 20M size.


 3) syslinux.cfg:


 PKGPATH=/dev/sda1:msdos and so LEAFCFG


 put initrd_usb.lrp

 Hope this helps...



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Re: [leaf-devel] SVN

2006-03-27 Thread Charles Steinkuehler
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Mike Noyes wrote:
 On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 16:22, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
 Mike Noyes wrote:
  On Sat, 2006-03-25 at 11:37, Charles Steinkuehler wrote:
  Mike Noyes wrote:
   Please let me know which hooks you'd like me to enable, or you can
   enable them yourself. Thanks for all your feedback on this issue. :-)
   
   https://sourceforge.net/docs/E09#scripts
   https://sourceforge.net/project/admin/svn.php?group_id=13751
  
  It doesn't look like there's a lot of choice for hook scripts.
  
  If we enable anything, the most useful is probably the generic e-mail
  hook (svnnotify).  It would be good for general principal to have a
  'commits' mailing list, that would receive posts from the svnnotify
  script (and that anyone could subscribe to).  It would also be possible
  to setup some automation based on the e-mails (ie: automatically
  re-build documentation if someone commits an update), although I'm not
  sure we need to go to the hassle.
  
  We have a cvs-commits list. Would svn require a separate list, or can it
  coexist with cvs syncmail?
 
 I'd send it to the same list.
 
 Charles,
 SVN svnnotify hook added, and now points to leaf-cvs-commits.

Awesome!  Thanks Mike!

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