Re: [leaf-user] Floppy Image Problems
If someone could explain how I could unzip this file on my windows box, edit it's contents manually and then update the archive with the minor changes, I think it would ease my problems. I'm beginning to suspect my drive on my LRP machine is bad when writing data to the disk; however doesn't appear to have issues when reading the data. Chris - Original Message - From: Chris Cranford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: [leaf-user] Floppy Image Problems I have downloaded the v1.0 stable windows executable file and ran it on a windows machine to format and copy the necessary LRP packages to a floppy disk. When I boot on the disk for the first time, everything is fine; however once I have added a few new modules (*.o files in /boot/lib/modules) and backed up my initrd.lrp package, I see read errors when writing the new lrp image to the disk. If anyone can help me out here I'd be greatful. So far, this has happened with 7 diskettes and I'm beginning to doubt the fact it's the disks that are the problem as the diskettes have worked fine in the past. Thanks for any help on the matter! Chris --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T handheld. Power Color in a compact size! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?palm0002en leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T handheld. Power Color in a compact size! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?palm0002en leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Floppy Image Problems
On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Chris Cranford wrote: If someone could explain how I could unzip this file on my windows box, edit it's contents manually and then update the archive with the minor changes, I think it would ease my problems. a) the format is not zip ... it is gzipped tar b) you need to be able to edit textfiles with LF newlines... you should be able to use Cygwin for this. c) I am pretty sure you have to use compression level 9 when re-compressing... use cygwin's gzip. Native windows tools have a very poor track record with such tasks... I'm beginning to suspect my drive on my LRP machine is bad when writing data to the disk; however doesn't appear to have issues when reading the data. I think this is unlikely... much more likely is that the ramdisk or floppy has insufficient free space or you are trying to backup while the disk is mounted. If you can read the oversize disk, you should be able to write to it. Chris - Original Message - From: Chris Cranford [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 2:51 AM Subject: [leaf-user] Floppy Image Problems I have downloaded the v1.0 stable windows executable file and ran it on a windows machine to format and copy the necessary LRP packages to a floppy disk. When I boot on the disk for the first time, everything is fine; however once I have added a few new modules (*.o files in /boot/lib/modules) and backed up my initrd.lrp package, I see read errors when writing the new lrp image to the disk. If anyone can help me out here I'd be greatful. So far, this has happened with 7 diskettes and I'm beginning to doubt the fact it's the disks that are the problem as the diskettes have worked fine in the past. Thanks for any help on the matter! Chris --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T handheld. Power Color in a compact size! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?palm0002en leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Get the new Palm Tungsten T handheld. Power Color in a compact size! http://ads.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/redirect.pl?palm0002en leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- Jeff NewmillerThe . . Go Live... DCN:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Basics: ##.#. ##.#. Live Go... Live: OO#.. Dead: OO#.. Playing Research Engineer (Solar/BatteriesO.O#. #.O#. with /Software/Embedded Controllers) .OO#. .OO#. rocks...2k --- --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Floppy Image Problems
At 02:51 AM 12/1/2002 -0500, you wrote: I have downloaded the v1.0 stable windows executable file and ran it on a windows machine to format and copy the necessary LRP packages to a floppy disk. When I boot on the disk for the first time, everything is fine; however once I have added a few new modules (*.o files in /boot/lib/modules) and backed up my initrd.lrp package, I see read errors when writing the new lrp image to the disk. If anyone can help me out here I'd be greatful. So far, this has happened with 7 diskettes and I'm beginning to doubt the fact it's the disks that are the problem as the diskettes have worked fine in the past. Thanks for any help on the matter! Chris If the error is something like Could not mount device then your disk is still mounted from when you added the new modules and you need to unmount it first. (You'll have to reboot and start again once this has happened, I think) If the backup seems to go OK with some packages and then starts producing errors along the lines of Could not save... (or similar), then it is because your disk is full. You can hopefully avoid this by removing unneeded modules before backing up. Look for modules that are in /lib/modules but which are commented out in /etc/modules and remove them from /lib/modules. --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Re: Can't see my NICs / pci-scan.o? Eureka!
Christian, You don't put your NIC driver modules in /boot/lib/modules. /boot/lib/modules is for components that are to be booted before everything else (i.e. cd rom drivers). You need to put your NIC modules in /lib/modules. Minh -- Message: 2 Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2002 21:54:31 -0800 (PST) From: Christian Hoss [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leaf-user] Can't see my NICs / pci-scan.o? Eureka! Rechecked my configuration, decided to take the cable modem offline 20 minutes instead of the previous 5 - I am now answering this off my windows box thru the firewall. Thanks to all who helped... __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Problem: Bering DOC in latest stable version
Well, I've spent the weekend changing from my Dachstein DHCP system on DoC to Bering PPPoe (changed ISPs) latest stable version I believe based on 2.4.18 kernal. It didn't take too long to implement the PPPoE feature using the Install/User guides. But the DoC part has me baffled. Currently, my Bering implementation works fine but still on floppy. After searching archives and re-reading the guides many times, my results follow: - I get the expected messages from insmod docprobe.o Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xc8000 Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xca000 Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xcc000 [..] DiskOnChip 2000 found at address 0xD8000 Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDA000 − already configured Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDC000 − already configured Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDE000 − already configured Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xe Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xe2000 (numbers differ as I couldn't directly copy the screen results) - nftl.o module seems fine (don't get the size != 1 error) and returns with partition check: nftla: nftla1 - DOC is recognized cat /proc/mtd dev: size erasesize name mtd0: 0500 4000 DiskOnChip 2000 - I cannot: mount, fdisk, mkfs mkdir /flash mount -t msdos /dev/nftla1 /flash Device not configured The DOC has been reformatted with M-Sys version 4.2 because 5.x was not compatible. I also put an MSDOS FAT-16 on it prior to this venture but tried fdisk anyway. PROBLEM: Why is nftla, nftla1 not configured. What am I missing and/or where should I look. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* John Mullan http://www.mullan.ca/ Personal: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Business: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] Problem: Bering DOC in latest stable version
Nftla is the raw device of the chip just like had for ide1 primary hard disk. Have you loaded all the modules in the sequence as listed by Brad? It worked for me. I had problems getting DoC to work after this. I was able to mount, fdisk, syslinux etc. Post that, the system hung while booting. Remove the pkgpath declaration in syslinux.cfg on DoC and making sure nftla and nftla1 are listed in /car/lib/lrpkg/root.mount. I got to know this by reading linuxrc. HTH Mohan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 5:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leaf-user] Problem: Bering DOC in latest stable version Well, I've spent the weekend changing from my Dachstein DHCP system on DoC to Bering PPPoe (changed ISPs) latest stable version I believe based on 2.4.18 kernal. It didn't take too long to implement the PPPoE feature using the Install/User guides. But the DoC part has me baffled. Currently, my Bering implementation works fine but still on floppy. After searching archives and re-reading the guides many times, my results follow: - I get the expected messages from insmod docprobe.o Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xc8000 Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xca000 Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xcc000 [..] DiskOnChip 2000 found at address 0xD8000 Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDA000 − already configured Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDC000 − already configured Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDE000 − already configured Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xe Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xe2000 (numbers differ as I couldn't directly copy the screen results) - nftl.o module seems fine (don't get the size != 1 error) and returns with partition check: nftla: nftla1 - DOC is recognized cat /proc/mtd dev: size erasesize name mtd0: 0500 4000 DiskOnChip 2000 - I cannot: mount, fdisk, mkfs mkdir /flash mount -t msdos /dev/nftla1 /flash Device not configured The DOC has been reformatted with M-Sys version 4.2 because 5.x was not compatible. I also put an MSDOS FAT-16 on it prior to this venture but tried fdisk anyway. PROBLEM: Why is nftla, nftla1 not configured. What am I missing and/or where should I look. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* John Mullan http://www.mullan.ca/ Personal: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Business: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
RE: [leaf-user] Problem: Bering DOC in latest stable version
Yes, thanks. The modules are in the order specified. Sounds like we both solved separate halves of the problem. At this point, I cannot do the boot from DOC. I'm sure I can take care of that (from previous Dachstein experience), just so long as I can get the mounting of the DOC working. I'm kinda stuck on the meaning of device not configured. -Original Message- From: S Mohan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, December 01, 2002 8:45 PM To: 'John Mullan'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [leaf-user] Problem: Bering DOC in latest stable version Nftla is the raw device of the chip just like had for ide1 primary hard disk. Have you loaded all the modules in the sequence as listed by Brad? It worked for me. I had problems getting DoC to work after this. I was able to mount, fdisk, syslinux etc. Post that, the system hung while booting. Remove the pkgpath declaration in syslinux.cfg on DoC and making sure nftla and nftla1 are listed in /car/lib/lrpkg/root.mount. I got to know this by reading linuxrc. HTH Mohan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of John Mullan Sent: Monday, December 02, 2002 5:49 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [leaf-user] Problem: Bering DOC in latest stable version Well, I've spent the weekend changing from my Dachstein DHCP system on DoC to Bering PPPoe (changed ISPs) latest stable version I believe based on 2.4.18 kernal. It didn't take too long to implement the PPPoE feature using the Install/User guides. But the DoC part has me baffled. Currently, my Bering implementation works fine but still on floppy. After searching archives and re-reading the guides many times, my results follow: - I get the expected messages from insmod docprobe.o Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xc8000 Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xca000 Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xcc000 [..] DiskOnChip 2000 found at address 0xD8000 Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDA000 − already configured Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDC000 − already configured Ignoring DiskOnChip 2000 at 0xDE000 − already configured Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xe Possible DiskOnChip with unknown ChipID FF found at 0xe2000 (numbers differ as I couldn't directly copy the screen results) - nftl.o module seems fine (don't get the size != 1 error) and returns with partition check: nftla: nftla1 - DOC is recognized cat /proc/mtd dev: size erasesize name mtd0: 0500 4000 DiskOnChip 2000 - I cannot: mount, fdisk, mkfs mkdir /flash mount -t msdos /dev/nftla1 /flash Device not configured The DOC has been reformatted with M-Sys version 4.2 because 5.x was not compatible. I also put an MSDOS FAT-16 on it prior to this venture but tried fdisk anyway. PROBLEM: Why is nftla, nftla1 not configured. What am I missing and/or where should I look. *-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-*-* John Mullan http://www.mullan.ca/ Personal: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Business: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] Bering 1.0 libm.lrp
What file do I need to alter to fix this? Copying wireless.lrp Please wait: Back-up of wireless complete cat: /var/lib/lrpkg/libm.list: No such file or directory Creating libm.lrp Please wait: \tar: /tmp/EXCLUDE: No such file or directory rm: cannot remove `/tmp/EXCLUDE': No such file or directory New Package: -rw-r--r--1 root root 20 Dec 2 02:50 /tmp/libm.lrp Old Package: -rwxr-xr-x1 root root39619 Nov 22 00:12 /var/lib/lrpkg/mnt/libm.lrp Filesystem 1k-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/hda1 3908 2592 1316 66% /var/lib/lrpkg/mnt I've just been saying no, but it's only a matter of time before I goof... This is a stock lrp, so the archive needs fixed as well... --- Homer Parker http://www.homershut.net telnet://bbs.homershut.net msg11377/pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
[leaf-user] How to add Static Route on Bering RC3
Hi all, I would like to add static route on my bering box. I try to add them on Network Configuration menu and interfaces like this eth1 . up ip route add 192.168.11.0 via 192.168.11.1 eth1 But after i restart my firewall i didn't see that route please tell me why... thanx.+,~wzf¢+,¦ì¢·o$áyyézW(ëhç¤ æ¯zxm¶ÿ¶§ÊþÇåy§î±êæj)b b²Ù^iû¬z¹b²Û,¢êÜyú+éÞ¶m¦Ïÿ+-²Ê.Ç¢¸ë+-³ùb²Ø§~åy§î±êÒDPÛiÿù^iúk¢7¶àþýÚýÚ©Úêÿvw_=Öf
RE: [leaf-user] How to add Static Route on Bering RC3
Once you had edited the file in Network Configuration, did you then backup the etc package? b:3 HTH Andrew Braund -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Thitiporn Pornpirunrak Sent: Monday, 2 December 2002 13:41 To: LeafUser Subject: [leaf-user] How to add Static Route on Bering RC3 Hi all, I would like to add static route on my bering box. I try to add them on Network Configuration menu and interfaces like this eth1 . up ip route add 192.168.11.0 via 192.168.11.1 eth1 But after i restart my firewall i didn't see that route please tell me why... thanx.N1y5i X22 u)gYig=i6Z~XHzG{f:G( x Ky'1j K2 qg.zX6~X6K:7~ zw~X6O Kzf:GIB'y'.rZzowswrfj}Z ]wX --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] How to add Static Route on Bering RC3
Thitiporn, It would be nice if you posted in plain text to ask your questions rather than base64 encoding them. Plain text is easier for many of us to read and reply to. Anyway, on to your route question... Thitiporn wrote: I would like to add static route on my bering box. I try to add them on Network Configuration menu and interfaces like this [..] up ip route add 192.168.11.0 via 192.168.11.1 eth1 On Mon, 02 Dec 2002 14:18:38 +1030 Andrew Braund wrote: Once you had edited the file in Network Configuration, did you then backup the etc package? b:3 You should also check the syntax of the command by running it manually: homefw: -root- # ip route add 192.168.11.0 via 192.168.11.1 eth1 Error: either to is duplicate, or eth1 is a garbage. You might want: ip route add 192.168.11.0/24 via 192.168.11.1 dev eth1 ^^^ ^^^ assuming you are trying to add a network route for a /24 network. If you don't already have an interface defined in the 192.168.11.0 network, you will probably need: ip route add 192.168.11.1 dev eth1 or similar first. There should be several posts in the leaf-user archive[1] on static routes under Bering if you need more or more complete examples. --Brad [1] http://www.mail-archive.com/leaf-user%40lists.sourceforge.net/ --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
Re: [leaf-user] Problem: Bering DOC in latest stable version
John, On Sun, 01 Dec 2002 19:19:01 EST John Mullan wrote: Well, I've spent the weekend changing from my Dachstein DHCP system on DoC to Bering PPPoe (changed ISPs) latest stable version I believe based on 2.4.18 kernal. It didn't take too long to implement the PPPoE feature using the Install/User guides. But the DoC part has me baffled. Currently, my Bering implementation works fine but still on floppy. After searching archives and re-reading the guides many times, my results follow: - I get the expected messages from insmod docprobe.o DiskOnChip 2000 found at address 0xD8000 Looks good so far. (numbers differ as I couldn't directly copy the screen results) - nftl.o module seems fine (don't get the size != 1 error) and = returns with partition check: nftla: nftla1 Also good. I get: Using /boot/lib/modules/nftl.o NFTL driver: nftlcore.c $Revision: 1.82 $, nftlmount.c \ $Revision: 1.25 $ Partition check: nftla: nftla1 Mounting a 6M TMPFS filesystem... when I boot from the DoC. - DOC is recognized cat /proc/mtd dev: size erasesize name mtd0: 0500 4000 DiskOnChip 2000 Looks okay. - I cannot: mount, fdisk, mkfs mkdir /flash mount -t msdos /dev/nftla1 /flash Device not configured That might happen if /dev/nftla is not properly partitioned (fdisk) or /dev/nftla1 does not have an MS-DOS filesystem on it (mkfs.msdos). What happens if you try fdisk /dev/nftla instead? Can you see the MS-DOS partition from fdisk? Is it set to active? Assuming the answers are all yes, can you create an MS-DOS filesystem on the partition using: mkfs.msdos /dev/nftla1 ? If the mkfs goes well, you should definitely be able to mount /dev/nftla1 . The DOC has been reformatted with M-Sys version 4.2 because 5.x was not compatible. Unfortunately, I am not very familiar with the M-Sys utilities. I never found a need to use any of there software with my DoC. (I'm not even sure if mine was formatted with 4.2 or 5.x.) That said, if you can boot MS-DOS from the DoC the UG directions *should* work. I also put an MSDOS FAT-16 on it prior to this venture but tried fdisk anyway. Did you use Bill's fdisk or linux fdisk? What were the results? Better yet, what is the output of the linux fdisk -l /dev/nftla command? PROBLEM: Why is nftla, nftla1 not configured. What am I missing and/or where should I look. My guess is a partition or filesystem problem with the DoC. Let me know about the fdisk and mkfs.msdos results. If the problem seems to be elsewhere, I will lookup the error message you quoted in the source. --Brad --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html
[leaf-user] updated DiskOnChip Bering UG chapter
Bering Crew, I updated the Installing and booting Bering from a M-Systems DiskOnChip user's guide chapter for Bering 1.0-stable. Is it possible to incorporate the changes into the official UG? The changes were primarily to update the modules paths and to remove the step that described the bug fixes that are already in 1.0-stable. The DocBook XML is at http://cvs.sf.net/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/leaf/devel/bradfritz/bering_contrib/doc/budiskonchip.xml?rev=HEADcontent-type=text/xml Everyone, I have posted an HTML version at http://fritzfam.com/brad/leaftmp/budiskonchip.html if you would like to read the document before it makes it into the Bering UG. As always, comments and suggestions welcome. --Brad --- This sf.net email is sponsored by:ThinkGeek Welcome to geek heaven. http://thinkgeek.com/sf leaf-user mailing list: [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/leaf-user SR FAQ: http://leaf-project.org/pub/doc/docmanager/docid_1891.html