[leaf-user] Bering-uClibc, are Julian Anastasov's routing patches applied?

2005-05-03 Thread James Neave
Hi,

Can anybody tell me whether Julian Anastasov's routing patches are
applied to stock Bering-uClibc disks?
http://www.ssi.bg/~ja/#routes

Or more generally, how can I find out what patches have been applied to
Bering-uClibc?
Is there a list somewhere?

Thanks,

James.

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[leaf-user] Can webconf be made read-only (kidsafe)?

2005-05-03 Thread Eric House
I'm using Bering uClibc on a small home network several of whose users
are teenagers.  We've just moved from an old floppy-based system to a
WRAP board so that there'll be room for software to enforce time-based
internet access restrictions -- meant to get them sleeping when they'd
rather be surfing and chatting with friends.

While webconf is really cool, I'm concerned that it makes it too easy
for the kids to change things.  While you need the root password to
use lrcfg, you need only an easily-sniffable http-access password to
use webconf.  I'd like a way to make webconf read-only so that it can
be used for status information the way weblet was.  Is there any way to
do this?

Alternatively, could I just go back to using weblet?  Webconf is so much
more powerful I'm expecting weblet to be deprecated, but perhaps weblet
remains the right tool for folks like me?

Thanks, as always, for LEAF.

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Re: [leaf-user] Can webconf be made read-only (kidsafe)?

2005-05-03 Thread Nathan Angelacos
--- Eric House [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 While webconf is really cool, I'm concerned that it makes it too 
easy

 for the kids to change things.  While you need the root password to

 use lrcfg, you need only an easily-sniffable http-access password 
to

 use webconf.  I'd like a way to make webconf read-only so that it 
can

 be used for status information the way weblet was.  Is there any way 
to
 do this?

Eric,


If you load webconf.lrp, and /remove/ webconf.lwp and any other .lwp 
from your system, you'll have a read-only system. (Well, mostly - your 
kids will still be able to back-up the existing packages... but 
there's nothing that they could /change/ through the web interface.)  
The lrcfg.cgi is in the webconf.lwp - and that's what gives you 
write-access.  



Longer term, I'm working on adding role-based authentication to 
webconf, so that a single webconf instance could have both read-only 
and read-write pages, depending on who you log in as.  Of course, in 
your case, you would probably still want to load an https web server 
to prevent password snooping. There is a mini-http .lrp that /does/ 
support https.) 


Unfortunately, the realities of LEAF development (e.g. its all 
volunteer) mean long development times, so I am guessing the 
role-based authentication features not to be ready for several months 
- just to set expectations.  But if that sounds like something that 
would be helpful in your situation, encouragement always helps 
smile.

 

 Alternatively, could I just go back to using weblet?  Webconf is so 
much

 more powerful I'm expecting weblet to be deprecated, but perhaps 
weblet
 remains the right tool for folks like me?


I think using webconf.lrp without the extra plugins might work for 
you, its at least worth a try.

Thanks for your kind words!




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Re: [leaf-user] Can webconf be made read-only (kidsafe)?

2005-05-03 Thread Paul Traina
Eric,
You stated that you're worried about your kids sniffing the wire for 
your webconf password when you admin your leaf box?

If your kids are already that advanced, trying to one-up them 
technically is going to be a losing game, they will clean your clock. 
They have more time than you do and more incentive.

I suggest reaching detante some other way.
Paul

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Re: [leaf-user] Can webconf be made read-only (kidsafe)?

2005-05-03 Thread Arne Bernin
On Tue, 2005-05-03 at 07:20 -0700, Eric House wrote:
 I'm using Bering uClibc on a small home network several of whose users
 are teenagers.  We've just moved from an old floppy-based system to a
 WRAP board so that there'll be room for software to enforce time-based
 internet access restrictions -- meant to get them sleeping when they'd
 rather be surfing and chatting with friends.
 
 While webconf is really cool, I'm concerned that it makes it too easy
 for the kids to change things.  While you need the root password to
 use lrcfg, you need only an easily-sniffable http-access password to
 use webconf.  I'd like a way to make webconf read-only so that it can
 be used for status information the way weblet was.  Is there any way to
 do this?
 

you could switch to mhttpds which provides ssl http support...
No more sniffing ;-)

--arne

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Re: [leaf-user] Can webconf be made read-only (kidsafe)?

2005-05-03 Thread Eric House
 You stated that you're worried about your kids sniffing the wire for 
 your webconf password when you admin your leaf box?
 
 If your kids are already that advanced, trying to one-up them 
 technically is going to be a losing game, they will clean your clock. 
 They have more time than you do and more incentive.

 I suggest reaching detante some other way.

:-)

Time and incentive?  The same imbalance applies to college admins and
students, no?

My kids are not that advanced yet, but they could become so.  But
perhaps I should have phrased the question without reference to them
since I'm pretty sure the challenge exists in academic and corporate
environments where no family strife need be assumed.  What if I were
an admin wanting to keep unauthorized employees from messing with the
router without forcing myself to always do admin from a restricted set
of machines.  Doesn't that require the same solution?  Can I set up
webconf to be read-only (which would let the kids observe how LEAF
works), or is weblet the preferred tool for that case?

Thanks,

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re: [leaf-user] Bering-uClibc, are Julian Anastasov's routing patches applied?

2005-05-03 Thread cpu memhd
It's does not look like they're applied:
http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/leaf/src/bering-uclibc/apps/linux/patches/

How about getting started with buildtool so you can incorporate those
patches into your own kernel?

http://leaf.sourceforge.net/doc/guide/buc-buildtool.html




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