[LU] FIFA

[John Sykes]

FIFA, the IOC, UEFA, you name itwhen you have so-called executive 
committees like those organizations do, they all wreak of under-the-table 
dealingsI always thought the Mafia was good at making funny moneythe 
Mafia has opposition.  A one man's opinionand that is legal. 
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Re: [LU] YP England should quit FIFA – Bates

[Dr Michael Benjamin]

Bullshit
I thought that Bates was writing satire.
"---money-making organisation". Wonder how he noticed that one?
22 men with too much power--- err excuse me but how many people 'control'
Leeds United. And what are their extremely worthy and noble motives?
As for leaving FIFA ?
If it was so bad why did you not suggest all this before the UK lost? It
suddenly became decrepit? It was changed overnight whilst you weren't
looking?
The UK campaigned. They thought that they had so many candidates. But they
did not. Because the others did it better. The others did not put on brain
dead, arrogant, insulting programmes on the TV.
In short the UK hyped itself, annoyed everyone and then failed completely at
the real test.
Sound familiar?
The same attitude on the field and off it.
You dont win anything by hyping yourself senseless.
You dont make changes when you dont hold failures responsible.
You win by being better. Not by hype and spin.
Michael



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On 5 December 2010 22:53, Eric B  wrote:

> for once bates is on to something here, the FIFA should be left and
> something better should come out of it.
>
> Eric
>
> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:54 AM,  wrote:
>
> >
> > >>Our Leader speaks...<<
> >
> >
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[John Sykes]

Re the favourite hairdresser bit...I recall as a young lad, being taken
to have my hair cut to a place also near the railway station.  It was a
special place.all the barbers were handicapped in some way..I
believe they were all WW2 veterans.  Some had higher soles on their shoes to
make up for a short leg, etc.  Being very young, I asked a lot of questions
at the timethey all were super guys.  I guess that place is long gone by
now.  Leeds, I'm sure, was proud of that special place.
 
 
 
 
 
---Original Message---
 
From: John Boocock IFA
Date: 05/12/2010 15:12:52
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Qatar
 
On 05/12/2010 20:58, Jim Moran wrote:
> This is getting almost as dull as the "was Howson offside?" chat. :)
 
So Jim, which is your favourite hairdresser in Leeds?
 
I'm a shy retiring Dougie Haigh in Lowtown man mesen
 
Betty :-)
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[John Boocock IFA]

On 05/12/2010 23:14, Jim Moran wrote:

Moustache in Meanwood for me, John. :)


I suppose it's near enough to Waitrose :-)

Bettyo
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Jim Moran]

Moustache in Meanwood for me, John. :)

On 5 Dec 2010, at 23:12, John Boocock IFA
 wrote:

> On 05/12/2010 20:58, Jim Moran wrote:
>> This is getting almost as dull as the "was Howson offside?" chat. :)
>
> So Jim, which is your favourite hairdresser in Leeds?
>
> I'm a shy retiring Dougie Haigh in Lowtown man mesen
>
> Betty :-)
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[John Boocock IFA]

On 05/12/2010 20:58, Jim Moran wrote:

This is getting almost as dull as the "was Howson offside?" chat. :)


So Jim, which is your favourite hairdresser in Leeds?

I'm a shy retiring Dougie Haigh in Lowtown man mesen

Betty :-)
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Jim Moran]

This is getting almost as dull as the "was Howson offside?" chat. :)
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Re: [LU] YP England should quit FIFA – Bates

[Eric B]

for once bates is on to something here, the FIFA should be left and
something better should come out of it.

Eric

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 3:54 AM,  wrote:

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> >>Our Leader speaks...<<
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>
> Nice to  see he's on message for my plan ;-)
>
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>
> Mark
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Eric B]

OK, then: show us the legal text showing its legal. actually allow me to
help you:

For your education:

*What are the laws in Queensland?*
Abortion law in Queensland is governed by sections 224-226 and 228 of the
criminal code as well as the Menhennitt ruling (1969): the case of R v
Davidson and R v Bayliss and Cullen (1986).

According to sections 224-226 of the criminal code of Queensland any woman
who has had or had the intention of having an abortion is guilty of a crime
and liable for up to seven years jail time. For the exact wording of the
law click 
here


Eric

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:28 AM, Mark Stephenson wrote:

> No
>
> The law 101 for your benefit
>
> The law is all about precedent.
>
> The availability of abortions has been determined by case law ie the last
> case which went before the courts allowed an abortion under the scenario I
> described. This was about 30 years ago I think.
>
> So subsequent cases would follow this precedent.
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> From: Eric Barlier [mailto:barl...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 5:06 AM
> To: Mark Stephenson
> Cc: LEEDSLIST; 
> Subject: Re: [LU] Qatar
>
>
>
> "You are correct abortion is illegal per se"
>
>
>
>
>
> well I'm right and you re wrong then.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On 05/12/2010, at 17:28, "Mark Stephenson" 
> wrote:
>
> You are correct abortion is illegal per se
>
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Eric B]

my point was always, and stil is: abortion IS illegal by law. nothing else,
nothing more.

I do understand that practice of a low might be far from what the text of
the law states. One of the best examples of that is/was smoking
drugs in the Netherlands: my understanding it that it is not legal by law,
but tolerated. The purpose of that is that if the lawmakers must reverse
the decision to tolerate then (ie by pressure from EU?) then this can be
done very quickly without having to go through the motions of passing a new
law.

I dont think Mark has stated his personal opinion (?), correct me if Im
wrong Mark. I think Mark wanted to let me know that the practice of the law
is vastly
different than what the law states, as above in the example from the
Netherlands. However starting of the message by stating Im talking shit when
I merely
state a legal fact did not the the rest of the message justice?

Eric

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 6:42 AM, Richard Naef <
rich...@triumph-computers.co.uk> wrote:

> > "You are correct abortion is illegal per se"
> >
> > > well I'm right and you re wrong then.
>
> Exactly - Mark seems to think its OK to have abortion inherently illegal
> because those lovely doctors can decide (not advise or inform as in the UK)
> what a Woman can do with her body and its contents when she is in sound
> mind
> and body.
>
> I guess masturbation is illegal there as well unless a doctor is watching?
>
> ttfn
>
> Richard
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[LU] Offside

[Ian Murray]

The only explanation is that he flagged, put it down and then flagged  
again.


He DEFINITELY flagged pretty much straight away when howson was put  
in.  Which is why I didn't celebrate the goal.

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[LU] Qatar 1991 - 2022

[mister...@gmail.com]

Hi gang

 

Interesting to read all kind of comments about Qatar.  The nifs have lived
here (Qatar) for twenty years, so, if anyone's actually bothered about
verifying the basis of your opinions please do feel free to ask, on or off
list.

 

Have fun, see some of you at Portsmouth/Emirates.

 

Love 

nif

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[LU] EMIRATES was: Qatar 1991 - 2022

[John Boocock IFA]

On 05/12/2010 19:15, mr Nif wrote:


Have fun, see some of you at Portsmouth/Emirates.


The good news is that Rogerre and I are planning a trip to the Emirates 
on Jan 8th, tickets have been sourced, hotels booked, planes booked and 
cars polished.


We will be organising the stepmother of all list meets (SOALM) for the 
Friday night and a post match review of the game on Satdi neet.


So who's all up for this and where shall we pass the Friday night - 
beers and curry we think!


Rogerre and I are staying in salubrious Ilford..

Betty

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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Richard Naef]

> "You are correct abortion is illegal per se"
> 
> > well I'm right and you re wrong then. 

Exactly - Mark seems to think its OK to have abortion inherently illegal
because those lovely doctors can decide (not advise or inform as in the UK)
what a Woman can do with her body and its contents when she is in sound mind
and body.

I guess masturbation is illegal there as well unless a doctor is watching?  

ttfn

Richard 

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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Mark Stephenson]

No

The law 101 for your benefit

The law is all about precedent.

The availability of abortions has been determined by case law ie the last case 
which went before the courts allowed an abortion under the scenario I 
described. This was about 30 years ago I think.

So subsequent cases would follow this precedent.

 

Mark

 

From: Eric Barlier [mailto:barl...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 6 December 2010 5:06 AM
To: Mark Stephenson
Cc: LEEDSLIST; 
Subject: Re: [LU] Qatar

 

"You are correct abortion is illegal per se"





well I'm right and you re wrong then. 

Sent from my iPhone


On 05/12/2010, at 17:28, "Mark Stephenson"  wrote:

You are correct abortion is illegal per se

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[LU] test sorry

[mister...@gmail.com]

 

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[LU] FW: Qatar 1991 - 2022

[m]

 

 

From: mister...@gmail.com [mailto:mister...@gmail.com] 



Hi gang

 

Interesting to read all kind of comments about Qatar.  The nifs have lived
here (Qatar) for twenty years, so, if anyone's actually bothered about
verifying the basis of your opinions please do feel free to ask, on or off
list.

 

Have fun, see some of you at Portsmouth/Emirates.

 

Love 

nif

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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Eric Barlier]

"You are correct abortion is illegal per se"

well I'm right and you re wrong then. 

Sent from my iPhone

On 05/12/2010, at 17:28, "Mark Stephenson"  wrote:

> You are correct abortion is illegal per se
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Re: [LU] flag for Howson - the last word -

[DAVID NATTAN]

I know my last post was supposed to be my last on the subject BUT listening to 
commentary on LUTV it does say "flag has stayed down, oh its gone up now, it is 
very very late" 
Make of that what you will
It also looks that Howson was indeed just onside though it is easy to see why 
the lino flagged and cannot really be criticised.
I also owe McCormack a bit of an apology, when he was put through,the defender 
was just between him and the goal and so he was correct to look for support, 
although Max and, dare I say it, Beckford, in the same position, would have 
tried to push it past the defender and go it alone.
Even from the camera behind the goal it is unclear as to who got th first and 
you can see McCormack telling another player he scored it - commentator gives 
it to Becchio. 
Becchios miss in the first half looks even worse on TV as does Max's follow up 
shot.
Dave
 
 
 
 
--- On Sun, 5/12/10, Jim Moran  wrote:


From: Jim Moran 
Subject: Re: [LU] flag for Howson - the last word
To: "DAVID NATTAN" 
Cc: "list leedslist" 
Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 17:03


But it wasn't late! He flagged the instant Howson touched it.

On 5 Dec 2010, at 16:49, DAVID NATTAN  wrote:

> Well my last post on it anyway, since it is all over and done with now
>
> Saw this on waccoe taken from  a Palace  forum
>
> Although we did hit the post, they did too and had two goals ruled out for 
> offside. The first of which was the latest linesman's flag I have ever seen - 
> very funny taunting the Leeds fans for that!"
>
>
> (did not hear their 'taunts'  in fact they looked / sounded about the 
> quietest away fans seen at ER for some time)
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: [LU] Palace

[Brian Hamilton]

Does anyone know if the new Shabbab near the railway station is the same
people who ran the Shabbab in Huddersfield in the early 90s? I know it's a
bit of stretch but if they are the same people, they owe me a few layers of
throat lining for their "mild" masala - vicious and wonderful stuff,
couldn't recommend it highly enough.

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On
Behalf Of Ted
Sent: 05 December 2010 08:59
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Palace


Just my view of the offside goal. I was in the South Stand Upper today, near
the linesman and he definitely had his flag up before Howson kicked it as I
didn't bother jumping up when he scored. Whether or not he was offside tho
was a different matter, I couldn't tell.

On another note, had a curry (now we're talking) from Shabbab opposite the
Scarboro last night late on, excellent! Especially good to know as there's a
lack of places in the city centre.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] flag for Howson - the last word

[Jim Moran]

But it wasn't late! He flagged the instant Howson touched it.

On 5 Dec 2010, at 16:49, DAVID NATTAN  wrote:

> Well my last post on it anyway, since it is all over and done with now
>
> Saw this on waccoe taken from  a Palace  forum
>
> Although we did hit the post, they did too and had two goals ruled out for 
> offside. The first of which was the latest linesman's flag I have ever seen - 
> very funny taunting the Leeds fans for that!"
>
>
> (did not hear their 'taunts'  in fact they looked / sounded about the 
> quietest away fans seen at ER for some time)
>
> Dave
>
>
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Dr. Michael Benjamin.]

If you lived there for long periods what the fuck did you need an abortion for? 
:-)


Sent from my iPhone
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Community  Psychiatry

On 5 Dec 2010, at 08:21, Eric B  wrote:

> peter, 
> 
> I merely stated two facts, there is NO debate about that, no matter how much 
> you fancy insulting me for merely stating facts. 
> 
> If you think abortion should be legal in Australia in 2010 the make a move: 
> 
> https://www.getup.org.au/campaign/my_choice_is_no_crime&id=1480
> 
> If you dont think abortion should be legal, fine, but its another debate 
> which I wont enter. 
> 
> In the meantime stop putting words in my mouth, nothing good will come out of 
> it. 
> Eric
> 
> On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 4:24 PM, Peter Cass  wrote:
> Eric - your talking shit - stop
> 
> To compare the lifestyle, freedoms and restrictions of Qatar and Australia, 
> and to identify Australia as "worse" is just plain stupid. Having lived in 
> both areas for long periods of time, I think I'm qualified to say that with a 
> very high degree of confidence
> 
> 
> - Original Message - From: "Eric B" 
> To: 
> 
> Cc: 
> Sent: Sunday, December 05, 2010 3:46 PM
> Subject: Re: [LU] Qatar
> 
> 
> 
> Of course you can compare two countries, who said you cant? My point was
> that qatar has got some bad qualities that are worse (?) here in australia.
> And that added a bit of perspective to it.
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [LU] flag for Howson - the last word

[Richard Walker]

A mate who was in the south stand said they didn't bring many but made some 
noise including pretending to score a goal and sit down and shut up chant after 
our 2 disallowed goals.

Cheeky cockerenees

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Dec 2010, at 16:49, DAVID NATTAN  wrote:

> Well my last post on it anyway, since it is all over and done with now
>  
> Saw this on waccoe taken from  a Palace  forum
>  
> Although we did hit the post, they did too and had two goals ruled out for 
> offside. The first of which was the latest linesman's flag I have ever seen - 
> very funny taunting the Leeds fans for that!" 
>  
>  
> (did not hear their 'taunts'  in fact they looked / sounded about the 
> quietest away fans seen at ER for some time)
>  
> Dave
>  
>  
>  
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Re: [LU] YP England should quit FIFA – Bates

[MarkBursa]

 
>>Our Leader speaks...<<


Nice to  see he's on message for my plan ;-)  





Mark
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[LU] flag for Howson - the last word

[DAVID NATTAN]

Well my last post on it anyway, since it is all over and done with now
 
Saw this on waccoe taken from  a Palace  forum
 
Although we did hit the post, they did too and had two goals ruled out for 
offside. The first of which was the latest linesman's flag I have ever seen - 
very funny taunting the Leeds fans for that!" 
 
 
(did not hear their 'taunts'  in fact they looked / sounded about the quietest 
away fans seen at ER for some time)
 
Dave
 
 
 
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Re: [LU] Qatar

[John Boocock IFA]

On 05/12/2010 05:14, Mark Tuffey wrote:

Don't most women control their own body when they choose to have sex?



Mark, I think your answer is in your quote: "choose to have sex".  For 
many women this is not a choice but merely an economic imperative.


Tell me someone, is Queen Victoria dead yet?

 Betty
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[LU] YP England should quit FIFA – Bates

[John Boocock IFA]

Our Leader speaks...


Published Date: 03 December 2010
http://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/England-should-quit-FIFA-.6649935.jp
By Richard Sutcliffe

AS the fallout continued from England's failed attempt to host the 2018 
World Cup, Ken Bates last night called on the major European nations to 
break away from FIFA after branding them a "money-making organisation". 
The decision to award the tournament to Russia has led to a wave of 
criticism being aimed at world football's governing body from this 
country, much of it fuelled by the English bid only winning two votes 
from the 22-man executive committee despite being praised for the 
quality of the bid.


Calls have been made for a major shake-up in the bidding process with 
the chief executive of England's campaign Andy Anson admitting there is 
little point in bidding again under the current rules. Leeds United 
chairman Bates, whose club would have staged games had the 2018 finals 
come to this country, is equally adamant that changes need to be made 
and believes the best course of action for major nations such as England 
would be to quit FIFA altogether.


He said: "When it was announced, we hooted with laughter and derision. 
We are totally unimpressed. I am of the opinion that the big European 
nations should resign from FIFA and start their own organisation.


"Let them get on with it. It is a case of the tail wagging the dog.

"We have little Jack Warner (FIFA vice-president and member of the 
executive committee that decided on the World Cup host) standing in the 
corner, Oceania, the Caribbean, and the oil states. All that happens is 
they keep giving the votes to (Sepp) Blatter so he stays in power.


"If they didn't have Spain, France, Germany and the United Kingdom, 
there wouldn't be a FIFA. There wouldn't be a UEFA for that matter. The 
whole of FIFA could then move to Moscow and live in retirement in a nice 
dacha in the woods surrounding the Russian capital.


"FIFA is a waste of space. It is a money-making organisation and I don't 
think they give a damn about football.


"I am seriously unhappy and, at the same time, contemptuous. None of the 
television companies should bid for the TV rights for 2018 or (they 
should) put in a derisory bid.


"The fact of the matter is we have the best stadiums and the best 
infrastructure. If you think of the disaster of the Champions League 
final in Moscow a couple of years ago when people were being billeted 
100 miles away, it is a joke."


As for Anson's belief that the bidding process should be changed to give 
more countries a say in where a World Cup is hosted, Bates added: "If 
everyone had a vote there would be more people and countries to 
allegedly bribe. Should the Bahamas have the same vote as England? 
Should Andorra have the same as Germany?


"No, it is rubbish. We should form an elite association of countries. 
They are a two-bob organisation above any law and should be treated with 
the contempt they deserve."


Bates was equally scathing in his assessment of the news that Qatar had 
been handed the 2022 World Cup ahead of other bidders that included 
Australia, the United States and Japan. The Leeds chairman said: "As for 
Qatar, how are they going to develop football when Australia, who have 
all the stadia and put on a tremendous Olympics, would have put on a 
great show?"
England secured just two of the 22 FIFA members' votes and were knocked 
out in the first round while Russia went on to triumph and England bid 
chief Anson revealed that FIFA president Blatter had spoken to the 
members of the "evils of the media" just before they voted – and some 
have blamed BBC Panorama and Sunday Times investigations for a backlash 
against England.


He also said that countries such as England were hampered by the need to 
maintain "straight, ethical" standards, with the implication that some 
rivals were free to exploit grey areas in the bidding process.


Asked if he would advise England to bid again Anson said: "I would say 
right now 'don't bother until you know that the process is going to 
change to allow bids like ours a chance to win'.


"When you have the best technical bid, fantastic inspection visits, the 
best economic report, and from what people told us the best presentation 
it's quite hard to stomach that seemed to count for absolutely nothing.


"Having only 22 guys voting gives them too much influence. With so much 
power it becomes very, very difficult.


"FIFA need to look at it – it makes it very easy for formidable 
competitors like Russia and Qatar to gain influence."


Anson added: "If you look at bids like ours, Australia and USA we are 
clearly accountable, we have to do things in a straight ethical way.


"I don't know what else happened but clearly Qatar and Russia are 
formidable competitors."


Anson also criticised FIFA for holding the 2018 and 2022 bid processes 
simultaneously because it promoted vote-trading. He said: "Running two 
bids

Re: [LU] Car parking

[Ian Murray]

Well, there are blokes there so think the chances of the car being  
vandalised are reduced if not eradicated!


Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Dec 2010, at 12:54, Jim Moran  wrote:


Is there much security in the council car parks? Wouldn't imagine
vandalism would be avoided in there. I'e seen away coaches bricked in
the car park outside the Peacock in broad daylight.

Anyway... £125/year to park, plus 30 mins trying to get away vs free
parking and home 15 mins after the match. If my car gets done once
every 3 years I'm still up.

On 5 December 2010 12:42, Ian Murray   
wrote:
I used to be of that opinion - until the hull game this year when I  
came
back to my car to find that some kind soul had decided to kick two  
dirty
great dents in the side of my car. £350 to repair. Needless to say 
, I will

from now on be paying to park.

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Re: [LU] Car parking

[Jim Moran]

Is there much security in the council car parks? Wouldn't imagine
vandalism would be avoided in there. I'e seen away coaches bricked in
the car park outside the Peacock in broad daylight.

Anyway... £125/year to park, plus 30 mins trying to get away vs free
parking and home 15 mins after the match. If my car gets done once
every 3 years I'm still up.

On 5 December 2010 12:42, Ian Murray  wrote:
> I used to be of that opinion - until the hull game this year when I came
> back to my car to find that some kind soul had decided to kick two dirty
> great dents in the side of my car. £350 to repair. Needless to say, I will
> from now on be paying to park.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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[LU] Car parking

[Ian Murray]

I used to be of that opinion - until the hull game this year when I  
came back to my car to find that some kind soul had decided to kick  
two dirty great dents in the side of my car. £350 to repair. Needless  
to say, I will from now on be paying to park.


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Re: [LU] Offside

[Richard Walker]

Yeah it was a pretty tame shot from Becchio , side footed right at the keeper 
he did dive over it. Still went in we won and I'm £20 down.

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On 5 Dec 2010, at 12:01, DAVID NATTAN  wrote:

> Watching the goals on BBC prog last night I noticed how the Palace defender 
> looked at lino and then started to chase Howson, then looked at lino again 
> and stopped. This tends to sugest that flag was down when he first looked and 
> was therefore a 'late flag'
> Not that it matters at all -lino can flag whenever he wants and it was 
> certainly before Howson put it in the net. Don't get a decent angle of Howson 
> and defenders when ball kicked but he did look offside
> None of it matters now WE WON !!! and deserved it.
> Also on TV noticed what a lovely flick it was from Snoddy to McCormack for 
> second goal to put  McC  through if he had not been pulled back - so congrats 
> to ref for allowing play to go on and Becchio to score (thought keeper dived 
> over it and should have done better)
> Roll on Burnley - one of the few aways I am going to these days
>  
> Dave
> 
> --- On Sun, 5/12/10, Ian Murray  wrote:
> 
> 
> From: Ian Murray 
> Subject: [LU] Offside
> To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
> Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 11:48
> 
> 
> Thanks Jim for confirming I'm not seeing things! I looked over to the  
> linesman as soon as howson got played in and the flag went straight  
> up. I didn't celebrate the 'goal' at all!
> 
> I
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On 5 Dec 2010, at 04:30, leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org wrote:
> 
>> Surprised there's been so many reports saying the flag went up only
>> after he'd scored.
>> 
>> I saw the flag go up as soon as he touched the ball. I then watched
>> him bury it, whilst sat down and everyone else was up on their feet,
>> muttering to everyone around me that it was offside, THEN everyone
>> said the linesman flagged.
>> 
>> Can only imagine the linesman flagged, lowered his flag, and then
>> flagged again, or I was just seeing things.
>> 
>> Either way, it looked like a close call, but was the opposite end of
>> the ground for me.
>> 
>> J.
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Re: [LU] Offside

[DAVID NATTAN]

Watching the goals on BBC prog last night I noticed how the Palace defender 
looked at lino and then started to chase Howson, then looked at lino again and 
stopped. This tends to sugest that flag was down when he first looked and was 
therefore a 'late flag'
Not that it matters at all -lino can flag whenever he wants and it was 
certainly before Howson put it in the net. Don't get a decent angle of Howson 
and defenders when ball kicked but he did look offside
None of it matters now WE WON !!! and deserved it.
Also on TV noticed what a lovely flick it was from Snoddy to McCormack for 
second goal to put  McC  through if he had not been pulled back - so congrats 
to ref for allowing play to go on and Becchio to score (thought keeper dived 
over it and should have done better)
Roll on Burnley - one of the few aways I am going to these days
 
Dave

--- On Sun, 5/12/10, Ian Murray  wrote:


From: Ian Murray 
Subject: [LU] Offside
To: "leedslist@gn.apc.org" 
Date: Sunday, 5 December, 2010, 11:48


Thanks Jim for confirming I'm not seeing things! I looked over to the  
linesman as soon as howson got played in and the flag went straight  
up. I didn't celebrate the 'goal' at all!

I

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Dec 2010, at 04:30, leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org wrote:

> Surprised there's been so many reports saying the flag went up only
> after he'd scored.
>
> I saw the flag go up as soon as he touched the ball. I then watched
> him bury it, whilst sat down and everyone else was up on their feet,
> muttering to everyone around me that it was offside, THEN everyone
> said the linesman flagged.
>
> Can only imagine the linesman flagged, lowered his flag, and then
> flagged again, or I was just seeing things.
>
> Either way, it looked like a close call, but was the opposite end of
> the ground for me.
>
> J.
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[LU] Offside

[Ian Murray]

Thanks Jim for confirming I'm not seeing things! I looked over to the  
linesman as soon as howson got played in and the flag went straight  
up. I didn't celebrate the 'goal' at all!


I

Sent from my iPhone

On 5 Dec 2010, at 04:30, leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org wrote:


Surprised there's been so many reports saying the flag went up only
after he'd scored.

I saw the flag go up as soon as he touched the ball. I then watched
him bury it, whilst sat down and everyone else was up on their feet,
muttering to everyone around me that it was offside, THEN everyone
said the linesman flagged.

Can only imagine the linesman flagged, lowered his flag, and then
flagged again, or I was just seeing things.

Either way, it looked like a close call, but was the opposite end of
the ground for me.

J.

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Re: [LU] World Cup

[Ian Murray]

Think we had a better bid. Better infrastructure, stadia, rule of  
law…!


As I say though Im really not that @rsed.

I

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On 5 Dec 2010, at 04:30, Eric B  wrote:


quote: "Giving it to Russia over us is an injustice".

can you elaborate please? I wasnt aware England had a RIGHT to get it.

Eric

On Sat, Dec 4, 2010 at 7:53 AM, Ian Murray  
 wrote:
I'm with Sean. We have a free press. What the anti BBC people are  
saying is we should 'get on board' with corruption and just tow the  
line. That's not what our democracy is about. If we lost the world  
cup because we refused to submit to a corrupt cabal then so be it.  
As mark says, let's form our own world championship and see which  
one people want to see. Giving it to Russia over us is an injustice.  
Giving it to fcking Qatar over, say, America or Australia, is a joke.


Anyway, who cares? Leeds is all that *really* matters.

I

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On 3 Dec 2010, at 20:02, leedslist-requ...@gn.apc.org wrote:

Why is he embarrassing the club?

He is absolutely right - there was no reason whatsoever the BBC had to
broadcast that episode of Panarama next week.  It would have made no
difference to their "free press" rights, they are OUR corporation and
in this instance should have been responsible, and not just try and
create a fuss 2 days before the vote.

Fucking stupid.
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[LU] LU: Burnley 11/12/10

[Robinson, Mick]

I have 2 tickets for Burley up for grabs at cost, two friends can't make
it.

 

1 X Adult

 

1 X Child (Which for Burnley is up to 17)

 

Downside is you will be sitting next to me J

 

Mick

 

 

 

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Re: [LU] Qatar

[Leslie Phillips]

Brilliant...Absolutely Brilliant.

Les


Guys
Let me share this as it is now almost appropriate.

We have undergone an awful tragedy.
A bus was caught in a fire ball, as you all probably know.
It contained a class of soon to be Officers in our prison service.
A very large minority of the deceased were Druse Arab [Muslims].
The immediate after effects were extremely sad.
The leadership [ better known as leadershit] rallied, or tried.
The guy who had me in tears was the Druse Lord Mayor and the way he spoke.
He spoke of compassion, and togetherness.
Our Guliani was an Arab.
And I have no problem with that.
None what so ever.

A camera crew went out at night into the periphery of the flames.
They caught two Israeli Arabs.
They were hosing down a tree.
'What are you doing?'
'We have to save at least one'
'Is that not dangerous?'
'Sure, but what can we do, at least one!'
Not Arab arsonist.
Just men linked in pain.
Doing something dangerous but for us all.

The Turks flew into help us. Just watching their planes was extremely
moving.
So did the Brits.
So did the Russians.
So did the Egyptians.
So did the Jordanians.
So did the Palestinians.
So did the world.
This morning we heard that Greek & Turkish army pilots were flying in the
same plane.
To put out fires--- not start them

Why this posting?

Because yesterday there were no religious clerics to be seen.
The politicians had slunk into the shadows.

Yesterday the 'Brotherhood of  man' was at force.
That's the way that it should be.

And fuck all the religious leaders and the politicians.

In the '60's we believed, we really believed, in the 'Brotherhood of man' &
'Power to the people'.
I  still believe.
So should you all.

Yesterday was our day.

Michael


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Re: [LU] Palace

[Ted]

Rich,

I honestly couldn't tell whether he was offside or not but the linesman
definitely had his flag up or I would have been jumping about like a loon
with the rest of them!

Not given my season ticket up just yet, gave it to a mate's son cos I took a
friend (female!) as we were on an all-dayer.

Looking forward to another all-dayer next Sat, off to my 1st away game of
the season. I've been un-successful in my other applications. Breakfast and
a few in Wetherspoons, then the 12.51 train to Burnley.

Then an all-day Christmas sesh on the 18th for QPR game. It's a hard
life... ;-)

Oh, and my two penneth on the Becchio debate. I've kept quiet as I've been a
fence sitter. I'm now in the "for" camp. Altho not a great player, I think
he seems to be doing a great job for us - and he certainly always gives 100%
- just wish they'd drop the embarrasing Berbatov song!

Ted H

On 5 Dec 2010 09:07, "Richard Walker"  wrote:
Hi Ted,

That's weird cos as soon as Howson put it in I looked at the linesman and he
definitely had his flag down. I was sure the ref had given the decision ???

>From your South Stand view do you think he was off ? Hard to tell from NE.

and have you given your season ticket up ?

Rich




- Original Message 
From: Ted 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Sun, 5...

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[LU] Palace Goals

[Richard Walker]

Just watched the goals on daily motion. 

their goal - yes Dave, just where was Hughes ? 

Our first - you can't really see who got he final touch but just watch 
McCormack, he's pretty certain it was him. 


http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xfy4tn_le...-04-12-10_sport 




 


- Original Message 
From: Richard Walker 
To: Ted ; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Sun, 5 December, 2010 9:07:21
Subject: Re: [LU] Palace

Hi Ted, 

That's weird cos as soon as Howson put it in I looked at the linesman and he 
definitely had his flag down. I was sure the ref had given the decision ???

>From your South Stand view do you think he was off ? Hard to tell from NE. 

and have you given your season ticket up ?

Rich 



- Original Message 
From: Ted 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Sun, 5 December, 2010 8:58:37
Subject: Re: [LU] Palace

Just my view of the offside goal. I was in the South Stand Upper today, near
the linesman and he definitely had his flag up before Howson kicked it as I
didn't bother jumping up when he scored. Whether or not he was offside tho
was a different matter, I couldn't tell.

On another note, had a curry (now we're talking) from Shabbab opposite the
Scarboro last night late on, excellent! Especially good to know as there's a
lack of places in the city centre.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Palace

[Richard Walker]

Hi Ted, 

That's weird cos as soon as Howson put it in I looked at the linesman and he 
definitely had his flag down. I was sure the ref had given the decision ???

>From your South Stand view do you think he was off ? Hard to tell from NE. 

and have you given your season ticket up ?

Rich 



- Original Message 
From: Ted 
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Sent: Sun, 5 December, 2010 8:58:37
Subject: Re: [LU] Palace

Just my view of the offside goal. I was in the South Stand Upper today, near
the linesman and he definitely had his flag up before Howson kicked it as I
didn't bother jumping up when he scored. Whether or not he was offside tho
was a different matter, I couldn't tell.

On another note, had a curry (now we're talking) from Shabbab opposite the
Scarboro last night late on, excellent! Especially good to know as there's a
lack of places in the city centre.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Palace

[Ted]

Just my view of the offside goal. I was in the South Stand Upper today, near
the linesman and he definitely had his flag up before Howson kicked it as I
didn't bother jumping up when he scored. Whether or not he was offside tho
was a different matter, I couldn't tell.

On another note, had a curry (now we're talking) from Shabbab opposite the
Scarboro last night late on, excellent! Especially good to know as there's a
lack of places in the city centre.

Ted H
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Re: [LU] Palace

[Jim Moran]

That's exactly what he should do. Obviously if he wasn't offside then
it's wrong though.



On 5 Dec 2010, at 08:05, "Paul Dally"  wrote:

> for the off side goal, the linesman did flag but very late - I think he 
> waited until howson actually touched the ball rather than anyone else.
>
> It wasn't offside though!
> - Original Message - From: "Richard Walker" 
> To: "Ian Murray" ; 
> Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:02 PM
> Subject: [LU] Palace
>
>
>> What a great afternoon – didn’t even seem cold. We deserved the win, no doubt
>> about that but Palace came to win also and troubled us throughout the 90 
>> mins –
>> more than they should have.
>>
>>
>> So when I saw the line up I went ballastic, 4-5-1 with Becchio as the lone
>> striker. Good God Simon get a grip, we shouldn’t be playing like this 
>> against a
>> bottom of the league team at home. Also, with Bradley Johnson holding the 
>> fort
>> in central midfield nothings going to happen. This system relies heavily on
>> runners from midfield breaking though because Becchio’s movement his limited 
>> so
>> he really doesn’t have much of a role in this system. For 50 minutes we 
>> huffed
>> and puffed, played some nice football, created some good chances and made 
>> lots
>> of mistakes, missed some real sitters, had a great goal chalked off by the 
>> ref
>> (not the linesman) and made some really basic errors which helped Palace go 
>> in
>> 1-0. It could have easily have been 2 if it hadn’t been for a great 
>> Schmeichel
>> save on 45 minutes.
>>
>>
>> First that ‘off-side’ goal. Great movement and great running from Howson saw 
>> him
>> played through. He took the goal brilliantly, took a look at the linesman who
>> had his flag down then slid on his knees and saluted the south stand. The ref
>> then unbelievable cut short the celebrations and pulled back play – we were
>> still dancing in the stands. I always take a glance at the linesman before I 
>> go
>> mental and although it did look close the linesman was in the best position 
>> to
>> judge whether Howson was off-side and he decided not. Really bad officiating.
>>
>>
>> We continued to create chances and then make mistakes. The best chances fell 
>> to
>> Becchio, who lets be honest, should have had 6 today. The worse miss was a 
>> ball
>> in to him, He was stood 2 yards from goal but failed to convert – he was
>> hesitant which is strange because he’s usually full on when he’s in the 6 
>> yard
>> box. Becchio was then presented with a free 6 yard box header but he tamely
>> headed on to the bar. Howson and Gradel also missed good chances. Towards the
>> end of the half though we lost our way. Johnson started to detioriate and 
>> passes
>> started going astray. Gradel changed wings to try and be more effective , 
>> but it
>> just wasn’t working. I watched attack after attack where we neatly played
>> ourselves up to the edge of the box but nobody was making the runs behind 
>> their
>> defence. Becchio in particularly is clueless when it comes to making runs 
>> like
>> this and plays most of the game with his back to the goal. He really 
>> shouldn’t
>> be the striker if we want to play 4-5-1 at home.
>>
>>
>> Then there was their goal. Johnson got caught out on the left, he didn’t have
>> the pace to recover leaving their man in. He crossed and converted 1-0. They
>> didn’t deserve it but we really hadn’t played well enough. The system wasn’t
>> working and Grayson has to change it at the break.
>>
>>
>> Amazingly he didn’t ! Shocking really. So for another 10 minutes we laboured,
>> same formation same problems. It was beginning to turn into a nightmare then
>> Simon jumped into life. He dragged Johnson and Gradel off and out on 
>> McCormack
>> and Sam. Now I’m no fan of Bradley Johnson and as far as I’m concerned he 
>> can go
>> now because he’s not good enough for this league never mind the premiership
>> (what a dreamer his agent must be) but he was badly booed when he left the 
>> field
>> which I thought was out of order. I’d ask those fans to boo the manager for
>> picking him not Johnson who to his credit is trying his best – it’s just that
>> this is not good enough, never has been.
>>
>> The subs changed the formation and changed the match. Suddenly we were 4-4-2
>> which Kilkenny and Howson central (strange that isn’t it !!???) and a winger 
>> in
>> Sam who actually was lively and caused a threat. McCormack was brilliant. He 
>> was
>> lively, he made runs, he controlled the ball well, he had a goal disallowed 
>> and
>> according to Grayson he got the equaliser (need to see it again). The goal 
>> was
>> coming though. Kilkenny had nearly equalised when he brilliantly brought the
>> ball down with his right foot, flicked it on to his left and volleyed from 25
>> yards. It was straight at the keeper which was good for him because he knew 
>> nowt
>> about it. Then Becchio had another free 6 yard header which was easier to 
>> score
>> instead he too put it

Re: [LU] Palace

[Paul Dally]

for the off side goal, the linesman did flag but very late - I think he 
waited until howson actually touched the ball rather than anyone else.


It wasn't offside though!
- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Walker" 

To: "Ian Murray" ; 
Sent: Saturday, December 04, 2010 8:02 PM
Subject: [LU] Palace


What a great afternoon – didn’t even seem cold. We deserved the win, no 
doubt
about that but Palace came to win also and troubled us throughout the 90 
mins –

more than they should have.


So when I saw the line up I went ballastic, 4-5-1 with Becchio as the lone
striker. Good God Simon get a grip, we shouldn’t be playing like this 
against a
bottom of the league team at home. Also, with Bradley Johnson holding the 
fort
in central midfield nothings going to happen. This system relies heavily 
on
runners from midfield breaking though because Becchio’s movement his 
limited so
he really doesn’t have much of a role in this system. For 50 minutes we 
huffed
and puffed, played some nice football, created some good chances and made 
lots
of mistakes, missed some real sitters, had a great goal chalked off by the 
ref
(not the linesman) and made some really basic errors which helped Palace 
go in
1-0. It could have easily have been 2 if it hadn’t been for a great 
Schmeichel

save on 45 minutes.


First that ‘off-side’ goal. Great movement and great running from Howson 
saw him
played through. He took the goal brilliantly, took a look at the linesman 
who
had his flag down then slid on his knees and saluted the south stand. The 
ref
then unbelievable cut short the celebrations and pulled back play – we 
were
still dancing in the stands. I always take a glance at the linesman before 
I go
mental and although it did look close the linesman was in the best 
position to
judge whether Howson was off-side and he decided not. Really bad 
officiating.



We continued to create chances and then make mistakes. The best chances 
fell to
Becchio, who lets be honest, should have had 6 today. The worse miss was a 
ball

in to him, He was stood 2 yards from goal but failed to convert – he was
hesitant which is strange because he’s usually full on when he’s in the 6 
yard
box. Becchio was then presented with a free 6 yard box header but he 
tamely
headed on to the bar. Howson and Gradel also missed good chances. Towards 
the
end of the half though we lost our way. Johnson started to detioriate and 
passes
started going astray. Gradel changed wings to try and be more effective , 
but it

just wasn’t working. I watched attack after attack where we neatly played
ourselves up to the edge of the box but nobody was making the runs behind 
their
defence. Becchio in particularly is clueless when it comes to making runs 
like
this and plays most of the game with his back to the goal. He really 
shouldn’t

be the striker if we want to play 4-5-1 at home.


Then there was their goal. Johnson got caught out on the left, he didn’t 
have
the pace to recover leaving their man in. He crossed and converted 1-0. 
They

didn’t deserve it but we really hadn’t played well enough. The system wasn’t
working and Grayson has to change it at the break.


Amazingly he didn’t ! Shocking really. So for another 10 minutes we 
laboured,
same formation same problems. It was beginning to turn into a nightmare 
then
Simon jumped into life. He dragged Johnson and Gradel off and out on 
McCormack
and Sam. Now I’m no fan of Bradley Johnson and as far as I’m concerned he 
can go
now because he’s not good enough for this league never mind the 
premiership
(what a dreamer his agent must be) but he was badly booed when he left the 
field
which I thought was out of order. I’d ask those fans to boo the manager 
for
picking him not Johnson who to his credit is trying his best – it’s just 
that

this is not good enough, never has been.

The subs changed the formation and changed the match. Suddenly we were 
4-4-2
which Kilkenny and Howson central (strange that isn’t it !!???) and a 
winger in
Sam who actually was lively and caused a threat. McCormack was brilliant. 
He was
lively, he made runs, he controlled the ball well, he had a goal 
disallowed and
according to Grayson he got the equaliser (need to see it again). The goal 
was
coming though. Kilkenny had nearly equalised when he brilliantly brought 
the
ball down with his right foot, flicked it on to his left and volleyed from 
25
yards. It was straight at the keeper which was good for him because he 
knew nowt
about it. Then Becchio had another free 6 yard header which was easier to 
score
instead he too put it straight at the keeper. He shook his head, he knew 
he

should have scored.


The equaliser to be honest is a bit of a blur but it looked like a few 
people
tried things and it just seemed to come out to Becchio. He had his back to 
goal
but managed to turn and hit it. Maybe it McCormack on the way on, who 
knows, it

was Becchio’s goal.


Palace to their credit came at us again and again and we wobbled