Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Rob Heath
I rest my case, m'lud.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 Well you complete moron, there is a difference of opinion about what was
 said, even a hearing. But don't let that interfere with your polemics. If
 you hadn't noticed he is Black and not Jewish so I imagine it would be hard
 to make that mistake.
 But the whole business about 'tap in' and your puerile fantasies that you
 are now a footballer that is the whole point isn't it. We are in
 competition. You incessantly and with no exception eagerly defame and pick
 on Israel. You trot around the Arab countries adding your gormless
 superficial take on everything Israel does and has done.You do your own
 little bit to make a bad situation impossible. Even when here almost next
 door to me, on being offered an invitation you pointedly didn't answer.
 This makes you a first class ignoramus.I have many a talk with our
 antagonists. That is possible but not with later day, self styled Lawrence
 Of Arabia wannabe like yourself. By the way we, Jews and Arabs talk of
 'useful idiots like you' - they have nothing but deep contempt for you and
 your like.  They know, as we all do, that your grasp on the situation is
 shallow and you are completely untrustworthy. But that is really not my
 problem.
 My problem is superficial Jew haters think that they can camouflage
 themselves as proponents of some noble cause and vent their spleen on
 Israel . None of the criteria used to clobber Israel are applied to anyone
 else or anywhere else. You are silent about Assad and ISIL. Your hypocrisy
 knows no boundaries and your shame is non existent.
 Pretend that you are Becchio but best know who you really are. A neo- Nazi
 Israeli baiter pretending not to be fascist anti-Semites.
 We said never again and say it time after time to people like you. Why do
 I want freedom of speech. So that we can hear you. So that we can tell you.
 If you are genuine, and you are not then treat everyone as you treat us.
 Demand from everyone as you demand from us. Do it in the Arab capitals that
 you troll around. Be the big freedom fighter - tell them about any of the
 PC crap you spot which is  only applicable to Israel in your eyes.
 You won't be a Becchio compatible, you'll be a Haigh one.
 You have nothing to add here.  Go home to the UK and have a love in with
 Galbraith.






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 On 5 February 2015 at 16:22, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

 I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because you
 condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than I could
 ever do.

 However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...I can't resist a
 6-yard tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a
 smidgeon of a contradiction in your profession of love for free speech,
 given that you cannot refrain from heaping totally unwarranted calumny upon
 me simply because I once spoke critically of Israel..or
 whatever it was that I said many years ago that set you off (I can't
 actually remember.)

 May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's
 right to be able to call the Ipswich player  a black twat ( or whatever
 he was supposed to have said)..so would it be an equally jolly and
 blameless manifestation of your precious free speech if the Ipswich player
 had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called him a Jewish twat?

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 wrote:

 i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
 But you are probably right.

 TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the
 lesser evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.

 Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear.
 The minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes
 along with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron found to quote
 from God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an
 absolute. But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life
 as that cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond
 his protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only
 objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ?

 If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep
 his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him.



 Dr Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist
 ---
 myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
 http://www.myRay.com
 

Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Matt Anderson
Oh god i think I prefer the current 5 messages a week list! 

Nostalgia killed completely 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 5 Feb 2015, at 14:22, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:
 
 I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because you
 condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than I could
 ever do.
 
 However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...I can't resist a 6-yard
 tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a smidgeon of a
 contradiction in your profession of love for free speech, given that you
 cannot refrain from heaping totally unwarranted calumny upon me simply
 because I once spoke critically of Israel..or whatever it was
 that I said many years ago that set you off (I can't actually remember.)
 
 May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's right
 to be able to call the Ipswich player  a black twat ( or whatever he was
 supposed to have said)..so would it be an equally jolly and
 blameless manifestation of your precious free speech if the Ipswich player
 had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called him a Jewish twat?
 
 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:
 
 i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
 But you are probably right.
 
 TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the lesser
 evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.
 
 Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear. The
 minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes along
 with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron found to quote from
 God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an absolute.
 But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life as that
 cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond his
 protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only
 objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ?
 
 If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep
 his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him.
 
 
 
 Dr Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist
 ---
 myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
 http://www.myRay.com
 http://www.myRay.org
 --
 Mental Health:
 http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com
 
 Auditing || Quality Control
 http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/
 
 Blog:
 http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com
 
 On 5 February 2015 at 11:09, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
 
 I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You can't
 turn off the racist argument when it suits!
 
 For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post was clearly written in a style
 designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary style, (and he hit the
 bullseye) you need to let this go.
 
 If you can't handle his posts, don't read them!
 
 I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss take - your reply is kind
 of nuts!
 
 Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't play for Leeds again. On talent
 alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. And poster boy he definitely
 ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 --
 *From:* Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 *To:* Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
 *Cc:* leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13
 *Subject:* Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
 
 It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why.
 Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I prefer
 the words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who
 hi-jack causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance.
 You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that you
 are. In your case an intolerant  knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab
 state are crawling around now?
 How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you, I
 won't leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying fuck
 what you or I think.
 So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It is
 really simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting. Count to
 ten, play with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth
 pin
 ups-- do anything to distract yourself till the urge passes.
 
 Dr Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist
 ---
 myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
 http://www.myRay.com http://www.myray.com/
 http://www.myRay.org http://www.myray.org/
 --
 Mental Health:
 http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com
 
 Auditing || Quality Control
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 http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/
 
 Blog:
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 On 5 

Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Rob Heath
I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because you
condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than I could
ever do.

However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...I can't resist a 6-yard
tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a smidgeon of a
contradiction in your profession of love for free speech, given that you
cannot refrain from heaping totally unwarranted calumny upon me simply
because I once spoke critically of Israel..or whatever it was
that I said many years ago that set you off (I can't actually remember.)

May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's right
to be able to call the Ipswich player  a black twat ( or whatever he was
supposed to have said)..so would it be an equally jolly and
blameless manifestation of your precious free speech if the Ipswich player
had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called him a Jewish twat?

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
 But you are probably right.

 TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the lesser
 evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.

 Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear. The
 minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes along
 with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron found to quote from
 God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an absolute.
 But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life as that
 cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond his
 protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only
 objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ?

 If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep
 his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him.



 Dr Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist
 ---
 myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
 http://www.myRay.com
 http://www.myRay.org
 --
 Mental Health:
 http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com
 
 Auditing || Quality Control
 http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/
 
 Blog:
 http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com

 On 5 February 2015 at 11:09, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You can't
 turn off the racist argument when it suits!

 For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post was clearly written in a style
 designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary style, (and he hit the
 bullseye) you need to let this go.

 If you can't handle his posts, don't read them!

 I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss take - your reply is kind
 of nuts!

 Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't play for Leeds again. On talent
 alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. And poster boy he definitely
 ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-)







  --
  *From:* Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 *To:* Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
 *Cc:* leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13
 *Subject:* Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

 It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why.
 Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I prefer
 the words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who
 hi-jack causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance.
 You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that you
 are. In your case an intolerant  knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab
 state are crawling around now?
 How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you, I
 won't leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying fuck
 what you or I think.
 So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It is
 really simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting. Count to
 ten, play with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth
 pin
 ups-- do anything to distract yourself till the urge passes.

 Dr Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist
 ---
 myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
 http://www.myRay.com http://www.myray.com/
 http://www.myRay.org http://www.myray.org/
 --
 Mental Health:
 http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com
 
 Auditing || Quality Control
 http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/
 http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/
 
 Blog:
 http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com http://www.drmichaelbenjamin.com/

 On 5 February 2015 at 02:08, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

  It is indeed odd that our esteemed colleague Dr. Benjamin, who in the
 past
  has proven himself to be so sensitive to perceived racism that he has
  accused 

Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread wayne
Guys
 Please can you both record at least one message to each other via youtube , it 
would make reading your love letters to each other so much more fun if we  knew 
how you sounded when you are winding each other up... if you are busy a quick 
vine 'Fuck Off you Jew/Arab Hater' would do, just so we can get an idea of the 
vitriol in real life

Wayne

-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of Rob Heath
Sent: 05 February 2015 21:37
To: Michael Benjamin
Cc: leeds list
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

I rest my case, m'lud.

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:30 AM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 Well you complete moron, there is a difference of opinion about what 
 was said, even a hearing. But don't let that interfere with your 
 polemics. If you hadn't noticed he is Black and not Jewish so I 
 imagine it would be hard to make that mistake.
 But the whole business about 'tap in' and your puerile fantasies that 
 you are now a footballer that is the whole point isn't it. We are in 
 competition. You incessantly and with no exception eagerly defame and 
 pick on Israel. You trot around the Arab countries adding your 
 gormless superficial take on everything Israel does and has done.You 
 do your own little bit to make a bad situation impossible. Even when 
 here almost next door to me, on being offered an invitation you pointedly 
 didn't answer.
 This makes you a first class ignoramus.I have many a talk with our 
 antagonists. That is possible but not with later day, self styled 
 Lawrence Of Arabia wannabe like yourself. By the way we, Jews and 
 Arabs talk of 'useful idiots like you' - they have nothing but deep 
 contempt for you and your like.  They know, as we all do, that your 
 grasp on the situation is shallow and you are completely 
 untrustworthy. But that is really not my problem.
 My problem is superficial Jew haters think that they can camouflage 
 themselves as proponents of some noble cause and vent their spleen on 
 Israel . None of the criteria used to clobber Israel are applied to 
 anyone else or anywhere else. You are silent about Assad and ISIL. 
 Your hypocrisy knows no boundaries and your shame is non existent.
 Pretend that you are Becchio but best know who you really are. A neo- 
 Nazi Israeli baiter pretending not to be fascist anti-Semites.
 We said never again and say it time after time to people like you. Why 
 do I want freedom of speech. So that we can hear you. So that we can tell you.
 If you are genuine, and you are not then treat everyone as you treat us.
 Demand from everyone as you demand from us. Do it in the Arab capitals 
 that you troll around. Be the big freedom fighter - tell them about 
 any of the PC crap you spot which is  only applicable to Israel in your eyes.
 You won't be a Becchio compatible, you'll be a Haigh one.
 You have nothing to add here.  Go home to the UK and have a love in 
 with Galbraith.






 Dr Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist
 ---
 myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
 http://www.myRay.com
 http://www.myRay.org
 --
 Mental Health:
 http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com
 
 Auditing || Quality Control
 http://www.MyDoctorExplains.com/alamo/
 
 Blog:
 http://www.DrMichaelBenjamin.com

 On 5 February 2015 at 16:22, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

 I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because 
 you condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than 
 I could ever do.

 However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...I can't resist a 
 6-yard tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a 
 smidgeon of a contradiction in your profession of love for free 
 speech, given that you cannot refrain from heaping totally 
 unwarranted calumny upon me simply because I once spoke critically of 
 Israel..or whatever it was that I said many years ago 
 that set you off (I can't actually remember.)

 May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's 
 right to be able to call the Ipswich player  a black twat ( or 
 whatever he was supposed to have said)..so would it be an 
 equally jolly and blameless manifestation of your precious free 
 speech if the Ipswich player had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called 
 him a Jewish twat?

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 wrote:

 i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
 But you are probably right.

 TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the 
 lesser evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.

 Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear.
 The minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else 
 comes along with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron 
 found to quote from God 

Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Ian Murray
Chris Waddle is a strange pic?

Sent from my iPhone

 On 6 Feb 2015, at 04:33, wayne callaghan ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote:
 
   I think Joey Barton is a prize bellend... Not sure if he's anti Semitic
   or of his opinion on the middle east, but he is a right twat in
   Twitter...
   I also think Chris Waddle is a cnut and I'm not overly keen on the
   Neville brothers either ( arseholes)
 
   Wayne
 
   On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 7:43 pm, Brendan
   [1]brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't really have a problem with Joey Barton, he's had a few
 scraps but haven't we all...
 (*away to get the tin hat on)
 BMW
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 Sent: 5 February 2015 19:30
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
 Well I'm glad I opened up this topic for conversation!
 How about we discuss a starting eleven of footballers who we'd never
 want playing for Leeds because of something they did or
 said..
 Off the top of my head...Ched EvansJohn TerryLee BowyerJoey
 BartonMarlon KingLee Hughes
 Jeremy
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Michael Gardiner
I too would probably be better off keeping quiet…but I cannot help myself.

Rob, for the most part I agree with you.  Mike B. really is being pretty damned 
hypocritical.  As I recall it, the reason that the two of you are oil and water 
is because you said some very offensive anti-semitic stuff which you tried to 
pass of as anti-Israel….but which wasn’t.  It was anti-semitic.  So you’re 
right.  He’s a hypocrite.  And you’re the proof of that.

I was pretty angry at you about it too — and believe I made that clear — but 
that was a long time ago and we’re good now.  I’m far more offended by the 
Becchio obsession, frankly.

On the other hand, just because I’m ok with it now doesn’t mean that Mike B. 
has to be.  That’s up to him.  But he can’t very well have a burr up his butt 
about you based on your old anti-semitic remarks and then take the position 
that racist comments are cool so long as Bellusci can play football.  He can 
have it one way.  He can have it the other way.  He can’t have it both.

As far as I’m concerned, there’s no room for racism in football….and shouldn’t 
be anywhere else.  Condemning racism is not a matter of “PC.”  It is addressing 
a very real problem that is alive, well and with us today in all its ugly, 
inglorious, misshapen forms.

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I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because you
condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than I could
ever do.

However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...I can't resist a 6-yard
tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a smidgeon of a
contradiction in your profession of love for free speech, given that you
cannot refrain from heaping totally unwarranted calumny upon me simply
because I once spoke critically of Israel..or whatever it was
that I said many years ago that set you off (I can't actually remember.)

May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's right
to be able to call the Ipswich player  a black twat ( or whatever he was
supposed to have said)..so would it be an equally jolly and
blameless manifestation of your precious free speech if the Ipswich player
had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called him a Jewish twat?

On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin 
m...@myray.commailto:m...@myray.com wrote:

i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
But you are probably right.

TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the lesser
evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.

Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear. The
minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes along
with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron found to quote from
God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an absolute.
But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life as that
cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond his
protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only
objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ?

If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep
his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him.



Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread wayne
I read an interview with Waddle when I was a kid in which he said he hated
leeds united and they were the only club in the world  he would never
consider playing for

 from that day forth he was a cnut 

-Original Message-
From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 05 February 2015 22:33
To: wayne callaghan
Cc: Brendan; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

Chris Waddle is a strange pic?

Sent from my iPhone

 On 6 Feb 2015, at 04:33, wayne callaghan ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote:
 
   I think Joey Barton is a prize bellend... Not sure if he's anti Semitic
   or of his opinion on the middle east, but he is a right twat in
   Twitter...
   I also think Chris Waddle is a cnut and I'm not overly keen on the
   Neville brothers either ( arseholes)
 
   Wayne
 
   On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 7:43 pm, Brendan
   [1]brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
 I don't really have a problem with Joey Barton, he's had a few
 scraps but haven't we all...
 (*away to get the tin hat on)
 BMW
 --- Original Message ---
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 Sent: 5 February 2015 19:30
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
 Well I'm glad I opened up this topic for conversation!
 How about we discuss a starting eleven of footballers who we'd never
 want playing for Leeds because of something they did or
 said..
 Off the top of my head...Ched EvansJohn TerryLee BowyerJoey
 BartonMarlon KingLee Hughes
 Jeremy
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread John Boocock
Apparently some shit hot lawyer is going to put me in chokey because two
listers can't leave each other alone. This threat is so serious that the
two protagonists are now on moderation. I have consulted my own fabulously
sensible legal advisor and she agrees that this is a responsible action
under the circumstances and that this will keep my arse safe in the face of
any future legal action.

Betty

PS my legal advisor also says that if anyone else is worried that a future
employer may see posts about them that are patently ridiculous they should
unsubscribe immediately to protect their future employment prospects.
Chris Waddle is a strange pic?

Sent from my iPhone

 On 6 Feb 2015, at 04:33, wayne callaghan ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote:

   I think Joey Barton is a prize bellend... Not sure if he's anti Semitic
   or of his opinion on the middle east, but he is a right twat in
   Twitter...
   I also think Chris Waddle is a cnut and I'm not overly keen on the
   Neville brothers either ( arseholes)

   Wayne

   On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 7:43 pm, Brendan
   [1]brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I don't really have a problem with Joey Barton, he's had a few
 scraps but haven't we all...
 (*away to get the tin hat on)
 BMW
 --- Original Message ---
 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 Sent: 5 February 2015 19:30
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
 Well I'm glad I opened up this topic for conversation!
 How about we discuss a starting eleven of footballers who we'd never
 want playing for Leeds because of something they did or
 said..
 Off the top of my head...Ched EvansJohn TerryLee BowyerJoey
 BartonMarlon KingLee Hughes
 Jeremy
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Ian Murray
And from this he is to me! 

Sent from my iPhone

 On 6 Feb 2015, at 06:46, wayne ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote:
 
 I read an interview with Waddle when I was a kid in which he said he hated
 leeds united and they were the only club in the world  he would never
 consider playing for
 
 from that day forth he was a cnut 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Ian Murray [mailto:ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com] 
 Sent: 05 February 2015 22:33
 To: wayne callaghan
 Cc: Brendan; leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
 
 Chris Waddle is a strange pic?
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On 6 Feb 2015, at 04:33, wayne callaghan ws.callag...@live.co.uk wrote:
 
  I think Joey Barton is a prize bellend... Not sure if he's anti Semitic
  or of his opinion on the middle east, but he is a right twat in
  Twitter...
  I also think Chris Waddle is a cnut and I'm not overly keen on the
  Neville brothers either ( arseholes)
 
  Wayne
 
  On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 7:43 pm, Brendan
  [1]brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com wrote:
 
I don't really have a problem with Joey Barton, he's had a few
scraps but haven't we all...
(*away to get the tin hat on)
BMW
--- Original Message ---
From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
Sent: 5 February 2015 19:30
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
Well I'm glad I opened up this topic for conversation!
How about we discuss a starting eleven of footballers who we'd never
want playing for Leeds because of something they did or
said..
Off the top of my head...Ched EvansJohn TerryLee BowyerJoey
BartonMarlon KingLee Hughes
Jeremy
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread John Lee
I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You can't turn 
off the racist argument when it suits!  For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post 
was clearly written in a style designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary 
style, (and he hit the bullseye) you need to let this go.  If you can't handle 
his posts, don't read them!  I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss 
take - your reply is kind of nuts! Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't 
play for Leeds again. On talent alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. 
And poster boy he definitely ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-) 

   From: Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 To: Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk 
Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org 
 Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
   
It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why.
Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I prefer
the words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who
hi-jack causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance.
You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that you
are. In your case an intolerant  knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab
state are crawling around now?
How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you, I
won't leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying fuck
what you or I think.
So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It is
really simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting. Count to
ten, play with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth pin
ups-- do anything to distract yourself till the urge passes.

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On 5 February 2015 at 02:08, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

 It is indeed odd that our esteemed colleague Dr. Benjamin, who in the past
 has proven himself to be so sensitive to perceived racism that he has
 accused listers (OK, one lister) of anti-semitism without an iota of
 justification, should now dismiss allegedly blatant racial abuse in such a
 cavalier fashion.

 I hope that Mike, Jeremy and Nick have not received the offlist barrage of
 foul abuse which the good doctor likes to inflict on his perceived critics.

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Nick n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:

  yeah, unsurprisingly I agree with Jeremy and Mike A - being against
 racism
  is not a crusade any more than being against anti-semitism is…there’s
 just
  right and wrong.
 
 
   On 4 Feb 2015, at 16:32, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Agree with Mike A here, if he did say something racist he has no place
  on the team I don't care how good he is, I don't want to support him. If
 he
  was accused of anti-semitic sentiments wouldn't you be upset Dr. Mike?
   Best,
  
   Jeremy
  
   From: mikel...@googlemail.com
   CC: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
   Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
   Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:24:41 -0500
   To: m...@myray.com
  
   Err sorry Mike you're wrong. When I take my friends mixed race kids to
  the football I'd to enjoy an atmosphere where racist words aren't
  acceptable. I don't think there is anything 'PC' about that.
  
   Regards Mike A.
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On 4 Feb 2015, at 10:13, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:
  
   So much cringeworthy PC garbage. Who gives a fuck one way or another
  he's
   here to play football not be a poster boy in a crusade.
  
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   On 4 February 2015 at 16:35, Jeremy Adams 
 jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
  
   SO Bellusci's hearing is tomorrow. If he really did say something
  racist I
   say kick him out. However, being Leeds, it's hard not to feel he's
  going to
   get charged regardless of what he actually said.
  
  
 
 http://www.yorkshireeveningpost.co.uk/sport/leeds-united/latest-whites-news/leeds-united-bellusci-racism-charge-to-be-heard-tomorrow-1-7087889
  
   Jeremy
  
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Verner Hanna (Jnr)
You leave Rhyming alone!

 

-Original Message-
From: Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net
Sent: ‎05/‎02/‎2015 09:26
To: 'John Lee' bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk; m...@myray.com m...@myray.com; 
'Rob Heath' rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
Cc: 'leeds list' leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

Just like old times! Just need Humpries Cundell Walker etc... to wade in now 
and possibly Rhyming from Aus!


-Original Message-
From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of John Lee
Sent: 05 February 2015 09:10
To: m...@myray.com; Rob Heath
Cc: leeds list
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You can't turn 
off the racist argument when it suits!  For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post 
was clearly written in a style designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary 
style, (and he hit the bullseye) you need to let this go.  If you can't handle 
his posts, don't read them!  I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss 
take - your reply is kind of nuts! Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't 
play for Leeds again. On talent alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. 
And poster boy he definitely ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-) 

   From: Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 To: Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
   
It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why.
Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I prefer the 
words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who hi-jack 
causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance.
You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that you are. 
In your case an intolerant  knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab state are 
crawling around now?
How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you, I won't 
leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying fuck what you or 
I think.
So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It is really 
simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting. Count to ten, play 
with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth pin
ups-- do anything to distract yourself till the urge passes.

Dr Michael Benjamin,
Community Psychiatrist
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On 5 February 2015 at 02:08, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

 It is indeed odd that our esteemed colleague Dr. Benjamin, who in the 
 past has proven himself to be so sensitive to perceived racism that he 
 has accused listers (OK, one lister) of anti-semitism without an iota 
 of justification, should now dismiss allegedly blatant racial abuse in 
 such a cavalier fashion.

 I hope that Mike, Jeremy and Nick have not received the offlist 
 barrage of foul abuse which the good doctor likes to inflict on his perceived 
 critics.

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Nick n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:

  yeah, unsurprisingly I agree with Jeremy and Mike A - being against
 racism
  is not a crusade any more than being against anti-semitism 
  is…there’s
 just
  right and wrong.
 
 
   On 4 Feb 2015, at 16:32, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Agree with Mike A here, if he did say something racist he has no 
   place
  on the team I don't care how good he is, I don't want to support 
  him. If
 he
  was accused of anti-semitic sentiments wouldn't you be upset Dr. Mike?
   Best,
  
   Jeremy
  
   From: mikel...@googlemail.com
   CC: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
   Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
   Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:24:41 -0500
   To: m...@myray.com
  
   Err sorry Mike you're wrong. When I take my friends mixed race 
   kids to
  the football I'd to enjoy an atmosphere where racist words aren't 
  acceptable. I don't think there is anything 'PC' about that.
  
   Regards Mike A.
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On 4 Feb 2015, at 10:13, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:
  
   So much cringeworthy PC garbage. Who gives a fuck one way or 
   another
  he's
   here to play football not be a poster boy in a crusade.
  
   Dr Michael Benjamin,
   Community Psychiatrist
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Jeremy Adams
Well I'm glad I opened up this topic for conversation!

How about we discuss a starting eleven of footballers who we'd never want 
playing for Leeds because of something they did or said..
Off the top of my head...Ched EvansJohn TerryLee BowyerJoey BartonMarlon 
KingLee Hughes


Jeremy
  
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread John Boocock
I used to get angry about the stuff bandied about by our two friends on the
list but I can't be arsed with it now. In the same way as we can tell them
both to delete each other's posts surely we can all do the same if they get
on our tits.

Betty

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[LU] FSE : Your Invitation to Belfast this Summer

2015-02-05 Thread Rick Duniec (@ntl)

http://www.fanseurope.org/en/fans-congress/effc-2015-registration.html

BELFAST IS CALLING! #EFFC goes to Northern Ireland!
REGISTRATIONS NOW OPEN!
Deadline for Registrations is 20 June 2015!!
As already announced during #EFFC2014 in Italy, we will gather from 2-5 July 
2015 next summer in the vibrant and inspirational capital city of Belfast / 
Northern Ireland. So: Start to plan your trip to Belfast enjoy the famous 
friendly Northern Irish welcome - and of course beer, whiskey -  and lots of 
football tradition!
Include the EFFC 2015 as part of your holiday and experience more of what 
the Emerald Isle has to offer. Our hosts, the Amalgamation of Northern 
Ireland Supporters Clubs (AONISC) and the Irish Football Association (IFA) 
are looking forward to show their hospitality in Belfast.
To make this trip a really special one for those travelling via Dublin, the 
Irish Supporters Network (ISN) and the Bohemians Supporters Trust in the 
Republic of Ireland will organize an 'pre-EFFC get together' in Dublin on 
Thursday 2 JULY 2015. Later on we will have a joint AWAY bus trip with 
rented busses to Belfast, Northern Ireland.
The European Football Fans Congress (#EFFC) will once again be free of 
charge and open to all supporters whether they are ultras, members of 
official fan clubs, fan initiatives or representatives of national fans 
organisations or just individual, non-organised supporters. The venues are 
also accessible for wheelchair users amongst participants.
Likewise, we are happy to welcome fan project workers, Supporter Liaison 
Officers and other football representatives, fan researchers, fan lawyers 
and politicians who care about supporters and are interested in an open and 
honest dialogue about the game we love.
With the input from our members and the EFFC organizing team, we´re going to 
put a EFFC programme together, that should allow exchange on many common 
issues for fans all across Europe and beyond. We want to meet and learn from 
each other about shared problems and solutions for us as active supporters 
in modern football..
In this spirit: we are looking forward to seeing you at Belfast in Northern 
Ireland from 2 - 5 July 2015!  Please register for the #EFFC until 20 June 
2015 at the latest! 


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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
But you are probably right.

TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the lesser
evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.

Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear. The
minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes along
with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron found to quote from
God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an absolute.
But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life as that
cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond his
protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only
objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ?

If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep
his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him.



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On 5 February 2015 at 11:09, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:

 I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You can't
 turn off the racist argument when it suits!

 For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post was clearly written in a style
 designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary style, (and he hit the
 bullseye) you need to let this go.

 If you can't handle his posts, don't read them!

 I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss take - your reply is kind
 of nuts!

 Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't play for Leeds again. On talent
 alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. And poster boy he definitely
 ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-)







  --
  *From:* Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 *To:* Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
 *Cc:* leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 *Sent:* Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13
 *Subject:* Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

 It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why.
 Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I prefer
 the words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who
 hi-jack causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance.
 You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that you
 are. In your case an intolerant  knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab
 state are crawling around now?
 How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you, I
 won't leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying fuck
 what you or I think.
 So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It is
 really simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting. Count to
 ten, play with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth pin
 ups-- do anything to distract yourself till the urge passes.

 Dr Michael Benjamin,
 Community Psychiatrist
 ---
 myRay: On-line Self-Help CBT
 http://www.myRay.com http://www.myray.com/
 http://www.myRay.org http://www.myray.org/
 --
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 http//www.MyDoctorExplains.com
 
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 http://www.mydoctorexplains.com/alamo/
 
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 On 5 February 2015 at 02:08, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

  It is indeed odd that our esteemed colleague Dr. Benjamin, who in the
 past
  has proven himself to be so sensitive to perceived racism that he has
  accused listers (OK, one lister) of anti-semitism without an iota of
  justification, should now dismiss allegedly blatant racial abuse in such
 a
  cavalier fashion.
 
  I hope that Mike, Jeremy and Nick have not received the offlist barrage
 of
  foul abuse which the good doctor likes to inflict on his perceived
 critics.
 
  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Nick n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:
 
   yeah, unsurprisingly I agree with Jeremy and Mike A - being against
  racism
   is not a crusade any more than being against anti-semitism is…there’s
  just
   right and wrong.
  
  
On 4 Feb 2015, at 16:32, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
   
Agree with Mike A here, if he did say something racist he has no
 place
   on the team I don't care how good he is, I don't want to support him.
 If
  he
   was accused of anti-semitic sentiments wouldn't you be upset Dr. Mike?
Best,
   
Jeremy
   
From: mikel...@googlemail.com
CC: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
Date: Wed, 4 

Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Matt Anderson
Just like old times! Just need Humpries Cundell Walker etc... to wade in now 
and possibly Rhyming from Aus!


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From: leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org [mailto:leedslist-boun...@gn.apc.org] On 
Behalf Of John Lee
Sent: 05 February 2015 09:10
To: m...@myray.com; Rob Heath
Cc: leeds list
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You can't turn 
off the racist argument when it suits!  For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post 
was clearly written in a style designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary 
style, (and he hit the bullseye) you need to let this go.  If you can't handle 
his posts, don't read them!  I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss 
take - your reply is kind of nuts! Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't 
play for Leeds again. On talent alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. 
And poster boy he definitely ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-) 

   From: Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 To: Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
Cc: leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Sent: Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
   
It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why.
Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I prefer the 
words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who hi-jack 
causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance.
You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that you are. 
In your case an intolerant  knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab state are 
crawling around now?
How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you, I won't 
leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying fuck what you or 
I think.
So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It is really 
simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting. Count to ten, play 
with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth pin
ups-- do anything to distract yourself till the urge passes.

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On 5 February 2015 at 02:08, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

 It is indeed odd that our esteemed colleague Dr. Benjamin, who in the 
 past has proven himself to be so sensitive to perceived racism that he 
 has accused listers (OK, one lister) of anti-semitism without an iota 
 of justification, should now dismiss allegedly blatant racial abuse in 
 such a cavalier fashion.

 I hope that Mike, Jeremy and Nick have not received the offlist 
 barrage of foul abuse which the good doctor likes to inflict on his perceived 
 critics.

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 1:30 AM, Nick n...@6haroldplace.co.uk wrote:

  yeah, unsurprisingly I agree with Jeremy and Mike A - being against
 racism
  is not a crusade any more than being against anti-semitism 
  is…there’s
 just
  right and wrong.
 
 
   On 4 Feb 2015, at 16:32, Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 wrote:
  
   Agree with Mike A here, if he did say something racist he has no 
   place
  on the team I don't care how good he is, I don't want to support 
  him. If
 he
  was accused of anti-semitic sentiments wouldn't you be upset Dr. Mike?
   Best,
  
   Jeremy
  
   From: mikel...@googlemail.com
   CC: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com; leedslist@gn.apc.org
   Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
   Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2015 10:24:41 -0500
   To: m...@myray.com
  
   Err sorry Mike you're wrong. When I take my friends mixed race 
   kids to
  the football I'd to enjoy an atmosphere where racist words aren't 
  acceptable. I don't think there is anything 'PC' about that.
  
   Regards Mike A.
  
   Sent from my iPhone
  
   On 4 Feb 2015, at 10:13, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:
  
   So much cringeworthy PC garbage. Who gives a fuck one way or 
   another
  he's
   here to play football not be a poster boy in a crusade.
  
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   On 4 February 2015 at 16:35, Jeremy Adams 
 jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
  wrote:
  
   SO Bellusci's hearing is tomorrow. If he really did say 
   something
  racist I
   say kick him out. However, being Leeds, it's hard not to feel 
   he's
  going to
   get charged regardless of 

Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
Well you complete moron, there is a difference of opinion about what was
said, even a hearing. But don't let that interfere with your polemics. If
you hadn't noticed he is Black and not Jewish so I imagine it would be hard
to make that mistake.
But the whole business about 'tap in' and your puerile fantasies that you
are now a footballer that is the whole point isn't it. We are in
competition. You incessantly and with no exception eagerly defame and pick
on Israel. You trot around the Arab countries adding your gormless
superficial take on everything Israel does and has done.You do your own
little bit to make a bad situation impossible. Even when here almost next
door to me, on being offered an invitation you pointedly didn't answer.
This makes you a first class ignoramus.I have many a talk with our
antagonists. That is possible but not with later day, self styled Lawrence
Of Arabia wannabe like yourself. By the way we, Jews and Arabs talk of
'useful idiots like you' - they have nothing but deep contempt for you and
your like.  They know, as we all do, that your grasp on the situation is
shallow and you are completely untrustworthy. But that is really not my
problem.
My problem is superficial Jew haters think that they can camouflage
themselves as proponents of some noble cause and vent their spleen on
Israel . None of the criteria used to clobber Israel are applied to anyone
else or anywhere else. You are silent about Assad and ISIL. Your hypocrisy
knows no boundaries and your shame is non existent.
Pretend that you are Becchio but best know who you really are. A neo- Nazi
Israeli baiter pretending not to be fascist anti-Semites.
We said never again and say it time after time to people like you. Why do I
want freedom of speech. So that we can hear you. So that we can tell you.
If you are genuine, and you are not then treat everyone as you treat us.
Demand from everyone as you demand from us. Do it in the Arab capitals that
you troll around. Be the big freedom fighter - tell them about any of the
PC crap you spot which is  only applicable to Israel in your eyes.
You won't be a Becchio compatible, you'll be a Haigh one.
You have nothing to add here.  Go home to the UK and have a love in with
Galbraith.






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On 5 February 2015 at 16:22, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:

 I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because you
 condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than I could
 ever do.

 However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...I can't resist a 6-yard
 tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a smidgeon of a
 contradiction in your profession of love for free speech, given that you
 cannot refrain from heaping totally unwarranted calumny upon me simply
 because I once spoke critically of Israel..or whatever it was
 that I said many years ago that set you off (I can't actually remember.)

 May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's
 right to be able to call the Ipswich player  a black twat ( or whatever
 he was supposed to have said)..so would it be an equally jolly and
 blameless manifestation of your precious free speech if the Ipswich player
 had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called him a Jewish twat?

 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com wrote:

 i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
 But you are probably right.

 TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the
 lesser evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.

 Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear. The
 minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes along
 with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron found to quote from
 God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an absolute.
 But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life as that
 cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond his
 protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only
 objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ?

 If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep
 his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him.



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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
I certainly do

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On 5 February 2015 at 17:31, Matt Anderson m...@leeds-united.net wrote:

 Oh god i think I prefer the current 5 messages a week list!

 Nostalgia killed completely

 Sent from my iPhone

  On 5 Feb 2015, at 14:22, Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk wrote:
 
  I would probably be better off keeping quiet, my good doctor, because you
  condemn yourself with your wild ranting much more eloquently than I could
  ever do.
 
  However, I am a bit like Luciano Becchio...I can't resist a
 6-yard
  tap-in. So I will point out that there is, I believe, just a smidgeon of
 a
  contradiction in your profession of love for free speech, given that you
  cannot refrain from heaping totally unwarranted calumny upon me simply
  because I once spoke critically of Israel..or whatever it was
  that I said many years ago that set you off (I can't actually remember.)
 
  May I also ask you this: you seem to be saying that it was Bellusci's
 right
  to be able to call the Ipswich player  a black twat ( or whatever he
 was
  supposed to have said)..so would it be an equally jolly and
  blameless manifestation of your precious free speech if the Ipswich
 player
  had been, say, Tal Ben Haim, and he had called him a Jewish twat?
 
  On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 5:25 PM, Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
 wrote:
 
  i can't stand the puerile twat. Why beat about the bush?
  But you are probably right.
 
  TBH I prefer freedom of speech no matter what. I prefer that as the
 lesser
  evil over having sanctimonious twats like Heath deciding anything.
 
  Speech is only free when people  can say what you don't want to hear.
 The
  minute you curtail it no matter what the reason someone else comes along
  with a reason that seems fine by him.  What that moron found to quote
 from
  God only knows. I have always maintained freedom of speech as an
 absolute.
  But when you have a rigid knee jerk neo-anti-Semitic take on life as
 that
  cunt has then its not important what you say. Nothing gets beyond his
  protocols of elder Zion mind-set cum shield. But wait a minute he only
  objects to Israel-- that makes it Kosher or should I say Halal ?
 
  If you talk about restraint let's see if the pithy pontificator can keep
  his mouth shut wrt me. I cannot wrt him.
 
 
 
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  Community Psychiatrist
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  On 5 February 2015 at 11:09, John Lee bruvvalee...@yahoo.co.uk
 wrote:
 
  I'm afraid Dr Mike, that Rob is quite correct on this occasion. You
 can't
  turn off the racist argument when it suits!
 
  For what it's worth, whilst Rob's post was clearly written in a style
  designed to take maximum p*ss in a parliamentary style, (and he hit the
  bullseye) you need to let this go.
 
  If you can't handle his posts, don't read them!
 
  I thought it was something of a masterful p*ss take - your reply is
 kind
  of nuts!
 
  Bellusci - if he's guilty I hope he won't play for Leeds again. On
 talent
  alone I don't think he's good enough anyway. And poster boy he
 definitely
  ain't, although if that's what rocks your boat :-)
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  --
  *From:* Dr Michael Benjamin m...@myray.com
  *To:* Rob Heath rhe...@hkis.edu.hk
  *Cc:* leeds list leedslist@gn.apc.org
  *Sent:* Thursday, 5 February 2015, 5:13
  *Subject:* Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
 
  It is indeed hard to follow. But here's why.
  Its because of a deep loathing of closet fascist prigs like you. I
 prefer
  the words of a wrong placed curse to the thought Police PC buggers who
  hi-jack causes to express their own rigid world views and intolerance.
  You dress all your sanctimonious claptrap in a antithesis of all that
 you
  are. In your case an intolerant  knee jerk neo-anti-Semite. Which Arab
  state are crawling around now?
  How many times have you been tod DO NOT ADDRESS ME. I can't stand you,
 I
  won't leave you unanswered-- and no one on this list gives a flying
 fuck
  what you or I think.
  So just knock it off. Don't react to me and ~I won't react to you. It
 is
  really simple- if you could just overcome your knee jerk baiting.
 Count to
  ten, play with your jackboots, take out your collection of Hitler Youth
  pin
  ups-- do anything to 

Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Dr Michael Benjamin
How do you do that on gmail-- Chrome.

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On 5 February 2015 at 20:42, John Boocock barbaravi...@gmail.com wrote:

 I used to get angry about the stuff bandied about by our two friends on the
 list but I can't be arsed with it now. In the same way as we can tell them
 both to delete each other's posts surely we can all do the same if they get
 on our tits.

 Betty

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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Brendan
I don't really have a problem with Joey Barton, he's had a few scraps but 
haven't we all...

(*away to get the tin hat on)

BMW

--- Original Message ---

From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
Sent: 5 February 2015 19:30
To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

Well I'm glad I opened up this topic for conversation!

How about we discuss a starting eleven of footballers who we'd never want 
playing for Leeds because of something they did or said..
Off the top of my head...Ched EvansJohn TerryLee BowyerJoey BartonMarlon 
KingLee Hughes


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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread wayne callaghan
   I think Joey Barton is a prize bellend... Not sure if he's anti Semitic
   or of his opinion on the middle east, but he is a right twat in
   Twitter...
   I also think Chris Waddle is a cnut and I'm not overly keen on the
   Neville brothers either ( arseholes)

   Wayne

   On Thu, Feb 05, 2015 at 7:43 pm, Brendan
   [1]brendan_mcwilli...@hotmail.com wrote:

 I don't really have a problem with Joey Barton, he's had a few
 scraps but haven't we all...
 (*away to get the tin hat on)
 BMW
 --- Original Message ---
 From: Jeremy Adams jeremyadam...@hotmail.com
 Sent: 5 February 2015 19:30
 To: leedslist@gn.apc.org
 Subject: Re: [LU] Bellusci charge
 Well I'm glad I opened up this topic for conversation!
 How about we discuss a starting eleven of footballers who we'd never
 want playing for Leeds because of something they did or
 said..
 Off the top of my head...Ched EvansJohn TerryLee BowyerJoey
 BartonMarlon KingLee Hughes
 Jeremy
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Re: [LU] Bellusci charge

2015-02-05 Thread Mark
Emlyn Hughes

Mark 
El Presidente Wisconsin Whites 
Leeds United 
Chicago Fire

  
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