Re: [LU] FFS
Correct Ed but it will be fuck all. Sent by Outlook for Android On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 9:12 AM -0700, "Ed Morrish" wrote: He's 22 - birthday a week ago - so we'll get a fee for him no matter who takes him... Ed. On 23 September 2015 at 17:08, Phill Shields wrote: > I am not deluded enough to think that for a young player like Byram he has > ambitions that rest beyond my club and I have to reluctantly accept that. I > still think Byram is playing a the system and his agent is at it in the > background. > Cellino is maintaining that he will not sell him in January because we > don't need to which presumably means he will walk away for nothing at the > end of the season. Why he would carry out contract negotiations aimed at > making him want to go for nothing? It makes no sense and whatever any of > you think about Cellino has proven he can run a football club when it comes > to finances. > At the end of the day Byram is on a wage and an employee of the club. As > such he should play when and where instructed and to a reasonable standard. > He won't be the first player to not put in a shift to force a move and he > won't be the last. > I'm for getting rid for as much as we can to the club that best suits us. > MOT > > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:56:55 +0100 > > From: p...@cundell.com > > To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com > > CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] FFS > > > > It's akin to constructive dismissal imho, play him out of position to p > him > > off, then offer him a pay cut to rub salt in the wounds, then act > surprised > > when he wants to leave and make out he's the one that's disloyal - I > > thought we'd seen the end of cuddly ken! > > > > > > On 23 September 2015 at 16:52, Jeremy Adams > > wrote: > > > > > > > > True but we were playing in a different league at that point. I guess > I'm > > > saying I'm all for sticking to a budget when it comes to wages and not > > > doing a Riddle, but then don't complain when you can't retain certain > > > employees. > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
He's 22 - birthday a week ago - so we'll get a fee for him no matter who takes him... Ed. On 23 September 2015 at 17:08, Phill Shields wrote: > I am not deluded enough to think that for a young player like Byram he has > ambitions that rest beyond my club and I have to reluctantly accept that. I > still think Byram is playing a the system and his agent is at it in the > background. > Cellino is maintaining that he will not sell him in January because we > don't need to which presumably means he will walk away for nothing at the > end of the season. Why he would carry out contract negotiations aimed at > making him want to go for nothing? It makes no sense and whatever any of > you think about Cellino has proven he can run a football club when it comes > to finances. > At the end of the day Byram is on a wage and an employee of the club. As > such he should play when and where instructed and to a reasonable standard. > He won't be the first player to not put in a shift to force a move and he > won't be the last. > I'm for getting rid for as much as we can to the club that best suits us. > MOT > > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:56:55 +0100 > > From: p...@cundell.com > > To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com > > CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] FFS > > > > It's akin to constructive dismissal imho, play him out of position to p > him > > off, then offer him a pay cut to rub salt in the wounds, then act > surprised > > when he wants to leave and make out he's the one that's disloyal - I > > thought we'd seen the end of cuddly ken! > > > > > > On 23 September 2015 at 16:52, Jeremy Adams > > wrote: > > > > > > > > True but we were playing in a different league at that point. I guess > I'm > > > saying I'm all for sticking to a budget when it comes to wages and not > > > doing a Riddle, but then don't complain when you can't retain certain > > > employees. > > > > > > > > > > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
I am not deluded enough to think that for a young player like Byram he has ambitions that rest beyond my club and I have to reluctantly accept that. I still think Byram is playing a the system and his agent is at it in the background. Cellino is maintaining that he will not sell him in January because we don't need to which presumably means he will walk away for nothing at the end of the season. Why he would carry out contract negotiations aimed at making him want to go for nothing? It makes no sense and whatever any of you think about Cellino has proven he can run a football club when it comes to finances. At the end of the day Byram is on a wage and an employee of the club. As such he should play when and where instructed and to a reasonable standard. He won't be the first player to not put in a shift to force a move and he won't be the last. I'm for getting rid for as much as we can to the club that best suits us. MOT > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 16:56:55 +0100 > From: p...@cundell.com > To: jeremyadam...@hotmail.com > CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] FFS > > It's akin to constructive dismissal imho, play him out of position to p him > off, then offer him a pay cut to rub salt in the wounds, then act surprised > when he wants to leave and make out he's the one that's disloyal - I > thought we'd seen the end of cuddly ken! > > > On 23 September 2015 at 16:52, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > > > > > True but we were playing in a different league at that point. I guess I'm > > saying I'm all for sticking to a budget when it comes to wages and not > > doing a Riddle, but then don't complain when you can't retain certain > > employees. > > > > > > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
This is classic Cellino - it's the redders thing all over again. Slag him off to try to turn the fans against him so they'll accept its for the best when he gets sold to a premiership team. He hasn't played well this season but as others have said, he's playing out of position and the owners trying to get him to take a pay cut. I'd love him to stay but i wouldn't blame him if he went. It's the crazy Italian we need rid of. Is it any coincidence that his recent outburst was after Pearson had gone? Simon Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Sep 2015, at 16:56, Paul Cundell wrote: > > It's akin to constructive dismissal imho, play him out of position to p him > off, then offer him a pay cut to rub salt in the wounds, then act surprised > when he wants to leave and make out he's the one that's disloyal - I > thought we'd seen the end of cuddly ken! > > > On 23 September 2015 at 16:52, Jeremy Adams > wrote: > >> >> True but we were playing in a different league at that point. I guess I'm >> saying I'm all for sticking to a budget when it comes to wages and not >> doing a Riddle, but then don't complain when you can't retain certain >> employees. >> >> >> > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
It's akin to constructive dismissal imho, play him out of position to p him off, then offer him a pay cut to rub salt in the wounds, then act surprised when he wants to leave and make out he's the one that's disloyal - I thought we'd seen the end of cuddly ken! On 23 September 2015 at 16:52, Jeremy Adams wrote: > > True but we were playing in a different league at that point. I guess I'm > saying I'm all for sticking to a budget when it comes to wages and not > doing a Riddle, but then don't complain when you can't retain certain > employees. > > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
True but we were playing in a different league at that point. I guess I'm saying I'm all for sticking to a budget when it comes to wages and not doing a Riddle, but then don't complain when you can't retain certain employees. From: Paul Cundell Sent: Wednesday, September 23, 2015 10:16 AM To: Jeremy Adams Cc: Leeds List Subject: Re: [LU] FFS I'd guess Gary Kelly was on a lot more than Byram has been offered. On 23 Sep 2015 14:59, "Jeremy Adams" mailto:jeremyadam...@hotmail.com>> wrote: > > I do too. Mind you if he was on a salary that was over inflated in relation > to his value to the team then I think it's fair enough to offer him less > money, just don't expect him to stay and don't be upset when he tells you to > f*ck off. You're not going to see the "one club" player these days like Gary > Kelly, too much wedge involved. > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
I'd guess Gary Kelly was on a lot more than Byram has been offered. On 23 Sep 2015 14:59, "Jeremy Adams" wrote: > > I do too. Mind you if he was on a salary that was over inflated in relation to his value to the team then I think it's fair enough to offer him less money, just don't expect him to stay and don't be upset when he tells you to f*ck off. You're not going to see the "one club" player these days like Gary Kelly, too much wedge involved. > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
I do too. Mind you if he was on a salary that was over inflated in relation to his value to the team then I think it's fair enough to offer him less money, just don't expect him to stay and don't be upset when he tells you to f*ck off. You're not going to see the "one club" player these days like Gary Kelly, too much wedge involved. > I don't believe for one minute that Leeds were trying to get Byram to sign > a new contract offering less money than he is on at the moment. > I do. Murphy was offered a contract on less money. And Accepted. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
And longer terms. Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 23, 2015, at 9:30 AM, Andy Clayton wrote: > > On 23 September 2015 at 07:09, Phill Shields > wrote: > >> I don't believe for one minute that Leeds were trying to get Byram to sign >> a new contract offering less money than he is on at the moment. > > > I do. Murphy was offered a contract on less money. And Accepted. > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
On 23 September 2015 at 07:09, Phill Shields wrote: > I don't believe for one minute that Leeds were trying to get Byram to sign > a new contract offering less money than he is on at the moment. > I do. Murphy was offered a contract on less money. And Accepted. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
I do. The club want to cash in and elicit sentiment like this from the fans. He's been wank because he's unsettled. MOT Sent from my iPhone > On 23 Sep 2015, at 21:09, Phill Shields wrote: > > I don't believe for one minute that Leeds were trying to get Byram to sign a > new contract offering less money than he is on at the moment. Sounds like his > agent is at work here. > > It's been pretty clear for some time that he has no desire to remain at the > club and wants a big money move. I'd let him go to the highest bidder, I > don't think signing Buckley is a coincidence - Byram has been wank this > season albeit being played out of position. > > MOT > > > From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:31:54 +1000 > > To: p...@cundell.com > > CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] FFS > > > > Yep. Cellino just wants to sell him, it's his MO > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 23 Sep 2015, at 03:09, Paul Cundell wrote: > > > > > > Seems to me that Byram is right then, take a pay cut and play for a > > > mediocre championship side or look for pastures new? I know what I'd be > > > doing. > > > > > > > > >> On 22 September 2015 at 17:58, Matt Anderson > > >> wrote: > > >> > > >> @PhilHayYEP: Massimo Cellino tells Sky Sports that Sam Byram thinks Leeds > > >> United are "not big enough for him": > > >> http://t.co/lNgSbcWnyK #lufc > > >> > > >> @PhilHayYEP: Important context here is that Leeds were offering Byram a > > >> reduction to his weekly wage: > > >> https://t.co/9tq7uNbDfE #lufc > > > ___ > > > Leedslist mailing list > > > Info and options: > > > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > > > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
> Message: 4 > Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 18:09:45 +0100 > From: Paul Cundell > Subject: Re: [LU] FFS > > Seems to me that Byram is right then, take a pay cut and play for a mediocre > championship side or look for pastures new? I know what I'd be doing. And isn't it inevitable that good players, particularly young good players, will always leave? Anyone who is a professional sports man or woman must be motivated by a desire to win and achieve the most they can, to succeed they've got to have drive and ambition. If you're not reaching your full potential (whether that's medals, trophies, money, promotions, records, personal goals etc) in the team/club/group you're with then you're going to move. And if you don't have that drive and ambition to succeed then you won't be a very good professional athlete anyway. ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
Hay reported that . Cellino is a very strange man. Dr. Michael Benjamin, Community Psychiatrist, +972505317772 m...@myray.com http://www.myray. com On 23 Sep 2015 14:11, "Phill Shields" wrote: > I don't believe for one minute that Leeds were trying to get Byram to sign > a new contract offering less money than he is on at the moment. Sounds like > his agent is at work here. > It's been pretty clear for some time that he has no desire to remain at > the club and wants a big money move. I'd let him go to the highest bidder, > I don't think signing Buckley is a coincidence - Byram has been wank this > season albeit being played out of position. > MOT > > > From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com > > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:31:54 +1000 > > To: p...@cundell.com > > CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org > > Subject: Re: [LU] FFS > > > > Yep. Cellino just wants to sell him, it's his MO > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > > > On 23 Sep 2015, at 03:09, Paul Cundell wrote: > > > > > > Seems to me that Byram is right then, take a pay cut and play for a > > > mediocre championship side or look for pastures new? I know what I'd be > > > doing. > > > > > > > > >> On 22 September 2015 at 17:58, Matt Anderson > wrote: > > >> > > >> @PhilHayYEP: Massimo Cellino tells Sky Sports that Sam Byram thinks > Leeds > > >> United are "not big enough for him": > > >> http://t.co/lNgSbcWnyK #lufc > > >> > > >> @PhilHayYEP: Important context here is that Leeds were offering Byram > a > > >> reduction to his weekly wage: > > >> https://t.co/9tq7uNbDfE #lufc > > > ___ > > > Leedslist mailing list > > > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > > > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: > http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > > ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
Re: [LU] FFS
I don't believe for one minute that Leeds were trying to get Byram to sign a new contract offering less money than he is on at the moment. Sounds like his agent is at work here. It's been pretty clear for some time that he has no desire to remain at the club and wants a big money move. I'd let him go to the highest bidder, I don't think signing Buckley is a coincidence - Byram has been wank this season albeit being played out of position. MOT > From: ianjamesmur...@hotmail.com > Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2015 07:31:54 +1000 > To: p...@cundell.com > CC: leedslist@gn.apc.org > Subject: Re: [LU] FFS > > Yep. Cellino just wants to sell him, it's his MO > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 23 Sep 2015, at 03:09, Paul Cundell wrote: > > > > Seems to me that Byram is right then, take a pay cut and play for a > > mediocre championship side or look for pastures new? I know what I'd be > > doing. > > > > > >> On 22 September 2015 at 17:58, Matt Anderson wrote: > >> > >> @PhilHayYEP: Massimo Cellino tells Sky Sports that Sam Byram thinks Leeds > >> United are "not big enough for him": > >> http://t.co/lNgSbcWnyK #lufc > >> > >> @PhilHayYEP: Important context here is that Leeds were offering Byram a > >> reduction to his weekly wage: > >> https://t.co/9tq7uNbDfE #lufc > > ___ > > Leedslist mailing list > > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER > ___ > Leedslist mailing list > Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist > To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org > > > MARCHING ON TOGETHER ___ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email leedslist-unsubscr...@gn.apc.org MARCHING ON TOGETHER
